Official ATHEIST/AGNOSTIC THREAD

[Disciplined InSight]

I don't "feel" anything about evolution.

Are you asking me do I accept it as fact?

Before I even get into this. What do you know about evolution beside the whole "monkeys" thing?

That's precisely what I wanted to ask you..do you believe man evolved from apes? Yes or no?

 

[ThaChozenWun]

That's precisely what I wanted to ask you..do you believe man evolved from apes? Yes or no?

Evolution doesn't say man came from apes.

 

[Disciplined InSight]

Evolution has nothing to do with faith...

You either put faith in Hawkins, Dawkins or Darwin...take your pick.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

You either put faith in Hawkins, Dawkins or Darwin...take your pick.

Dawkins, Hawkins have nothing to do with evolution.

Darwin introduced the idea, research cleaned the idea up and proved it.

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

How do you feel about evolution?

evolution is a fact

the theory of evolution is the explanation of how that fact works in the world

there are still monkeys because we did not evolve from monkeys. us and monkeys evolved from a common ape-like ancestor, which shared a common ancestor with other mammals, and so on and so on until the beginning of life on earth which started because of simple chemical reactions and the availability of enough raw material, which was here because this planet was brought together by gravity and all the atoms in it and on it are either from stars or the Big Bang, which is also a fact and the theory of the big bang is the explanation of how it worked

that is a very fast summary of all the dumbass questions you people ask every day

 

[Disciplined InSight]

Evolution doesn't say man came from apes.

No..but according to Mr. Charles Darwin..instead of believing man was created by a deity he believed man evolved as a species from apes in the natural selection process right?

 

[ThaChozenWun]

No..but according to Mr. Charles Darwin..instead of believing man was created by a deity he believed man evolved as a species from apes in the natural selection process right?

No........wrong

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

and term atheism and secular humanism are interchangeable.

they're not

Supreme Court case of Torcaso v. Watkins where they defined "secular humanism" as a religion

the court did not define secular humanism as such

you're mistakenly quoting a FOOTNOTE that merely one of the judges made

secular humanism is a philosophy which rejects religious dogmatism

Secularism in government and in the schools constitutes state favoritism towards a particular religion (namely, the denial of theism), and a double standard is used in granting protections to those in denial of theism...

bullshit

the gubment cant make kids pledge allegiance to atheism

the gubment cant show favoritism to atheists in legal matters

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

hehehehehe

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

You either put faith in Hawkins, Dawkins or Darwin...take your pick.

Hawking.

And you don't have to put "faith" in any of them. They're all scientists. Instead of saying "Believe this because I revealed it to you" they say "look at my work, examine my notes, reproduce my experiments, put my conclusions to the test, and feel free to criticize everything I've done."

You can verify all their shit for yourself.

 

[b*braze]

That's precisely what I wanted to ask you..do you believe man evolved from apes? Yes or no?

No... Because that isn't what evolution says. Due to the similarities in DNA, theory is that man and apes share a common ancestor.

Also I do not accept evolution in and of itself as fact... I accept it as a theory. But there are PROVEN facts I do accept pertaining to the theory of evolution.

 

[major pain]

uh, Mr. Liar. That is not what you ran around here with, in your sig, for about 3-4 consecutive weeks. Yep. You had 2 of my posts in your sig.

Every one of your posts, every day, you showed members how much you were thinking about me.

But I make one, single, lone reference to you, while I'm here quantifying that very doctrine of mine which you kept sacred/in your sig, for weeks...but somehow, I'm the one mad?

okay. gotcha.

No. I'm not crying. Why can't you just shut up/accept that I am doing what you did to me. Are you that irrational, when it comes to me? Or you that fickle-minded? To think you are the only one who can focus on other members...then, when those you focused on, return the favor, you cry like a lil' girl?

How weird is it, that you can't take...what you gladly dished out, for weeks??

Actually, when I put the sig there, I didnt think about it any longer lol. You STILL thinking about it lol and its been weeks. L.I.G. (Let It Go) It was what it was, you being stupid as usual. Like now. For the last time, you can keep doing this if you will, but it really shows how butthurt you are lol.

 

[b*braze]

evolution is a fact

the theory of evolution is the explanation of how that fact works in the world

there are still monkeys because we did not evolve from monkeys. us and monkeys evolved from a common ape-like ancestor, which shared a common ancestor with other mammals, and so on and so on until the beginning of life on earth which started because of simple chemical reactions and the availability of enough raw material, which was here because this planet was brought together by gravity and all the atoms in it and on it are either from stars or the Big Bang, which is also a fact and the theory of the big bang is the explanation of how it worked

that is a very fast summary of all the dumbass questions you people ask every day

Aw damn...

What he said.

 

[MeTaL]

Not according to the Supreme Court case of Torcaso v. Watkins where they defined "secular humanism" as a religion..and term atheism and secular humanism are interchangeable.

...considering wanting to have a religion-like legal status despite the separation of church and state...

Secularism in government and in the schools constitutes state favoritism towards a particular religion (namely, the denial of theism), and a double standard is used in granting protections to those in denial of theism...

False..

Atheism is the lack of belief in gods. No more, no less. One cannot be atheist and religious. One is the absence of the other.

The saying is "if atheism is a religion then not playing baseball is a sport"

A religion has two components which must both be present. It is a formalized system of ritual and belief. It is focused on a supernatural being or beings.

Speaking to "formalized system of ritual and belief", atheists are not an organization, just a number of folks that have independently, through thought and study, come to the conclusion that there is no supernatural force in the universe. There is no credo, instruction manual, or anything.

 

[Disciplined InSight]

evolution is a fact

the theory of evolution is the explanation of how that fact works in the world

there are still monkeys because we did not evolve from monkeys. us and monkeys evolved from a common ape-like ancestor, which shared a common ancestor with other mammals, and so on and so on until the beginning of life on earth which started because of simple chemical reactions and the availability of enough raw material, which was here because this planet was brought together by gravity and all the atoms in it and on it are either from stars or the Big Bang, which is also a fact and the theory of the big bang is the explanation of how it worked

that is a very fast summary of all the dumbass questions you people ask every day

...yeah and just because you mentioned all that it's supposed to be fact right? Wow..is it so obvious that all that "fast summary" you posted could also be taken as theory you derived from other scientists? C'mon son..those "facts" you posted doesn't equal to "absolute certainty"...

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

...yeah and just because you mentioned all that it's supposed to be fact right? Wow..is it so obvious that all that "fast summary" you posted could also be taken as theory you derived from other scientists? C'mon son..those "facts" you posted doesn't equal to "absolute certainty"...

again, you don't have to simply take my word for it or even the word of biologists and physicists

you can examine the evidence yourself

is there any source for science information that you wouldn't immediately dismiss as "biased" or some shit like that? because i find it notoriously hard to get you people to read. you are dead-set on refusing to look into anything for yourselves without a guideline from a youth pastor or some such faggot.

 

[shootemwon]

again, you don't have to simply take my word for it or even the word of biologists and physicists

you can examine the evidence yourself

is there any source for science information that you wouldn't immediately dismiss as "biased" or some shit like that? because i find it notoriously hard to get you people to read. you are dead-set on refusing to look into anything for yourselves without a guideline from a youth pastor or some such faggot.

Sonned into oblivion

 

[b*braze]

Sonned into oblivion

Lol... Yes.

 

[Disciplined InSight]

False..
Atheism is the lack of belief in gods. No more, no less. One cannot be atheist and religious. One is the absence of the other.

The saying is "if atheism is a religion then not playing baseball is a sport"

A religion has two components which must both be present. It is a formalized system of ritual and belief. It is focused on a supernatural being or beings.

Speaking to "formalized system of ritual and belief", atheists are not an organization, just a number of folks that have independently, through thought and study, come to the conclusion that there is no supernatural force in the universe. There is no credo, instruction manual, or anything.

Your right..I like your definition of atheism..it's very similar to this what I got from the Routledge Encyclopedia of Philosophy : Atheism is the position that affirms the non-existence of God. It proposes positive belief rather than mere suspension of disbelief.”
Okay, let me use an atheistic religion for example: BUDDHISM

It's atheistic in the sense of denying that there is any overarching deity such as the Creator-God of the Bible.

Okay.. let's define atheism in a contemporary sense: it's not just the lack of belief in a god, but the assertion about the non-existence of any gods, spirits, or divine or supernatural beings, like you mentioned..so even though you don't follow a formalized system of rituals or beliefs like Buddhism...you got secular humanist who believe in things such as the humanist manifesto which is an outlined doctrine of ethics and goals to follow and also accepts evolution is to be true...

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

i always lol when people are scared of humanism

"oh no, people trying to be good to each other without being afraid that a magical man in space is watching them"