Men's Rights and Abortions?

[simplyspeaking]

child support should be illegal if you aren't married.

*correction. if you weren't previously married*

 

[MsVShantrell]

child support should be illegal if you aren't married.

*correction. if you weren't previously married*

Why do u think such?

 

[MeTaL]

I started a few fb polls asking the following questions:

Should a man have a say in whether a woman has a child or not?

If a man tells a woman he doesn’t want to be in their child’s life and she decides not to have an abortion or give it up for adoption, should he have to pay child support?

How much should knowing that your babydaddy probably won’t be around impact your decision to have an abortion or keep it?

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Ultimately it is the woman that has to make the choice, but with that said she should consider the feelings of the man in the situation and especially what he would do if she did keep the baby. I've known guys that want no connection to the child whatsoever and just leave and pay child support and that sad and disgusting, You had sex with her with no protection, but when she's get pregnant you want nothing to do with the baby.....is that the life someone would really want for a child? Personally, I do believe that a man should at least be able to share his feelings on the matter, but it really is the woman's choice in the end.

But when an abortion takes place, the only person who TRULY has no say in anything is the innocent child, and that something I cannot ignore and let go if this situation was to happen to me....

 

[wackestrapper]

i just had this same thing happen to me..my girl got pregnant i aint want it she did. I told her to get an abortion but she said no. She lost it a few days ago anyway though fucked up i kinda feel bad about it now too

 

[Chillin&Postin]

if a man doesnt have say so in the matter,,what does it matter what his feelings or opinion is???

i mean honestly,,i can plead,beg,cry, and scream but if you are set on what you want to do,,,all i have done is for nothing

 

[MeTaL]

If the female has all the power in decision making, she should have all the responsibility in raising that bastard...

Why the child has to be a bastard? No, every born child deserves a mother and a father, no matter what.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

If you don't want a child, and you don't want to look after it, fine, whatever, it's your right to feel that way. But if you don't want to take precautions to make sure that a child doesn't come, you should pay for your errors and stupidity.

 

[Conscious__Nkechi]

if a man doesnt have say so in the matter,,what does it matter what his feelings or opinion is???

i mean honestly,,i can plead,beg,cry, and scream but if you are set on what you want to do,,,all i have done is for nothing

How many people does it take to make that baby?
At least through intercourse it takes two.
So why shouldn't both parties have a say?

This is the argument made.

Let's go further and ask the question of what's the next step?
Hypothetically speaking both parties have equal rights to the decision but what happens if they have opposing views?
How would that couple reach a final decision?

 

[JusDre313]

all i got to say is i watched the video and my mom always told me if u dont have nothing nice to say, then dont say nothing at all so i'll move on

but my thoughts on the overall situation is yes its ULTIMATELY the woman's choice. but a man should have as much say so as the woman. if the man doesn't want to have it, he shouldn't be forced to be a father. point blank. not financially (child support), nor physically (active in the kids life).

and i agree men shouldn't be out here slanging raw penis around town. so ill repeat it. but just as quick as some men be to go in a chick raw.. some women are just as quick to have a baby by a man she doesn't know.. my 2 pennies

 

[Conscious__Nkechi]

if you don't want a child, and you don't want to look after it, fine, whatever, it's your right to feel that way. But if you don't want to take precautions to make sure that a child doesn't come, you should pay for your errors and stupidity.

prevention>>>>solution?

 

[MeTaL]

I agree, but if the parents aint married, its a bastard...

What???. The word bastard applied to innocent children is obscene and I am surprised you use it. Children are not bastards.I wouldn't use the term bastard, I would consider it my child and my blood, if getting married or not.

 

[JusDre313]

i just had this same thing happen to me..my girl got pregnant i aint want it she did. I told her to get an abortion but she said no. She lost it a few days ago anyway though fucked up i kinda feel bad about it now too

did you stop messing wit her after she lost it?!?!?? shit woulda been CLASSIC LMAO

 

[MeTaL]

lol....what do you think bastard means in this context?

Since you ask Bastard is an archaic term from a patriarchal society that penalized women and their children for the woman exercising the same freedoms men exercised at that time. With the ever growing number of alternative family structures, that word has taken on a new connotative meaning in today's society to sub in for a swear word like a**hole or f***er (e.g. "I'm gonna kill the bastard" or "That bastard cleared out our bank account and went on vacation with his receptionist."), and no longer really relates to whether someone was born in wedlock or not.

 

[Chillin&Postin]

How many people does it take to make that baby?
At least through intercourse it takes two.
So why shouldn't both parties have a say?

This is the argument made.

Let's go further and ask the question of what's the next step?
Hypothetically speaking both parties have equal rights to the decision but what happens if they have opposing views?
How would that couple reach a final decision?

to answer the hypothetical

i feel that if both arent all in then the pregnancy should be terminated
lets go the usual route,,man doesnt want child,mother does want child
the mother wanting to keep a child from a man who doesnt want one is silly. he clearly isnt that invested in you if he strongly objects to the significant commitment that is parenthood...so do yourself a favor and cut him and that fetus loose.
keepin that child will do nothing but complicate lives.

man wants child,mother doesnt want child
if you resent the pregnancy, YOU WILL MOST LIKELY RESENT THE PREGNANCY. and when the baby comes you will prolly still be very bitter that you jus lost or partially lost 6-12 months of your life to pre and post natal care for a child you didnt want.

i feel if you have an unplanned pregnancy and there is a conflict in the decision to keep the baby then that is your best clue to stop dealing with each other on a life altering level AKA having raw intercourse

 

[Rocket Kidd]

to answer the hypothetical

i feel that if both arent all in then the pregnancy should be terminated

lets go the usual route,,man doesnt want child,mother does want child

the mother wanting to keep a child from a man who doesnt want one is silly. he clearly isnt that invested in you if he strongly objects to the significant commitment that is parenthood...so do yourself a favor and cut him and that fetus loose.

keepin that child will do nothing but complicate lives.

man wants child,mother doesnt want child

if you resent the pregnancy, YOU WILL MOST LIKELY RESENT THE PREGNANCY. and when the baby comes you will prolly still be very bitter that you jus lost or partially lost 6-12 months of your life to pre and post natal care for a child you didnt want.

i feel if you have an unplanned pregnancy and there is a conflict in the decision to keep the baby then that is your best clue to stop dealing with each other on a life altering level AKA having raw intercourse

hmmm..good answer

 

[Shizlansky]

"we cant tell a women when and where to create one"

 

[wackestrapper]

did you stop messing wit her after she lost it?!?!?? shit woulda been CLASSIC LMAO

yea she called me and told me the story today like 3 hours ago...its over

 

[JusDre313]

yea she called me and told me the story today like 3 hours ago...its over

bet. you might be feeling down about it now.. but nigga u dodged a bullet better than NEO

 

[jonlakadeadmic]

Ultimately it is the woman that has to make the choice, but with that said she should consider the feelings of the man in the situation and especially what he would do if she did keep the baby. I've known guys that want no connection to the child whatsoever and just leave and pay child support and that sad and disgusting, You had sex with her with no protection, but when she's get pregnant you want nothing to do with the baby.....is that the life someone would really want for a child? Personally, I do believe that a man should at least be able to share his feelings on the matter, but it really is the woman's choice in the end.

But when an abortion takes place, the only person who TRULY has no say in anything is the innocent child, and that something I cannot ignore and let go if this situation was to happen to me....

she didnt have sex with him w/ no protection?

 

[Conscious__Nkechi]

to answer the hypothetical

i feel that if both arent all in then the pregnancy should be terminated
lets go the usual route,,man doesnt want child,mother does want child
the mother wanting to keep a child from a man who doesnt want one is silly. he clearly isnt that invested in you if he strongly objects to the significant commitment that is parenthood...so do yourself a favor and cut him and that fetus loose.
keepin that child will do nothing but complicate lives.

man wants child,mother doesnt want child
if you resent the pregnancy, YOU WILL MOST LIKELY RESENT THE PREGNANCY. and when the baby comes you will prolly still be very bitter that you jus lost or partially lost 6-12 months of your life to pre and post natal care for a child you didnt want.

i feel if you have an unplanned pregnancy and there is a conflict in the decision to keep the baby then that is your best clue to stop dealing with each other on a life altering level AKA having raw intercourse

I understand everything you said.
First, prevention should be practiced before a solution has to be made.
Second, two people who feel they are grown enough to engage in sex should have a relative discussion prior to developing a sexual relationship.
Third, to expect this from all who engage in sex is not realistic in our society. Unfortunate but true.

With that said, you haven't directly addressed the hypothetical rights of a man. If there were an actual law implemented where the man has an equal right to that life altering decision, how would it work if each party couldn't reach a common decision together? Who would get "veto" power so to speak in the eyes of the law?