Jay-Z - 'Magna Carta Holy Grail'

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usmarin3;5973866 said:
BP3 is like Vol 2, to you hard core nerds it's probably trash but to the rest of the world and ''buying'' public it's the albums that took Jay-z career to another level.

If ya'll haven't notice by now, Jay has a pattern. He drops a album that pleases the nerds then he drops something extremely commercial to expand his brand. When you make niche music to your core you will fall off commercial (see Nas, DMX,etc), the reason why Kanye and Jay remains relevant commercially is because they break up the direction of their music every other album.

If history serves us right, Jay will drop an album for you nerds with this album.

Damn @Marine studies Hov to a science.

He knows all jigga man'S particles & shit.

 
lechic;5970439 said:
usmarin3;5970196 said:
lechic;5967859 said:
usmarin3;5966673 said:
lechic;5966444 said:
dammnmnn this shit is about King B!!

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or it's a metaphor for fame, use your brain cells.

@usmarin3

actually, I have a degree in English with an emphasis on literature/creative writing.

I apologize that you were not able to dig deeper with your analysis and only see the lyric as face-level (which he had intended. please refer to the video on magna carta released on Samsung app).

if we always looked for what the artist/writer intended the lyric/prose to be, then music/poerty would never be exciting.

it is only exciting by the new, refreshing, innovative way that a person interpret the meaning.

unfortunately, you had failed to recognise the excitement because you were too busy trying to get LOLs and dick riding Jay Z to figure that out in the most simplistic form that I had laid out for everyone.

I end this as: Don't come for me. Unless, I send for you!

A English degree is about the most useless degree you can get in college, it's like getting a degree in Philosophy or Psychology. Oh yeah, please don't brag about no Literature degree either, my best friend has one of those and i know it's useless.

Second, stop bragging about a fucking degree, i got two of those B.S. and J.D.

When has Jay-z ever rapped lyrics at face value, the dude style of writing has always been double entendres and world play based.

Last but not least, go back to serving them tables because i know you're knot doing shit with those worthless degrees you have.,

oh stop it, sir. you look really pathetic out here. poor you :(

secondly, I'm extremely knowledgeable about this thing called music. oh yea. lemme toot my horn. I studied music. I am classically trained :(

you. not so much.

imma let you do what you do best; dick ride jay z until his dick head gets sore.

Going to the club every weekend is not ''studying music'', just like sucking a new dick every week does not make you a sex therapist.
 
As an all-time Jay-z stan, for the love of everything sacred... BP3 is a forgetable album. Ok? Lol Enough already.

Yes So Ambitious is my fukin shyt. Yes Already Home is my shyt. Yes Jay spit venom on 'What we Talkin bout' and 'Thank You'...

But theres too many ass aongs, on a 14-16 piece albim, to make it anything better than 'meh'.

The gay claps on 'star is born' is enough to throw the whole album out son sons...real talk.
 
So we callin Vol. 1 meh now? Nah it was the best one of the volume series, damn near every track bangs on that shit. Love that album.

1. BP

2. RD

3. BA

4. Vol 1

5. AG

6. Vol 2

7. Vol 3

8. BP2

9. BP3

17. KC
 
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I'm gonna stop checking for the updates on the app. Im a big Jay fan, but listening to this nigga over articulate this "dumb nigga knowledge" he call himself trying to kick is getting unbearable. It's making me anticipate the album less. He better off just putting it on wax. It's just really not THAT deep, Shawn.
 
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JDSTAYWITIT.;5973757 said:
georgia boi;5973347 said:
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georgia boi;5973036 said:
Tim definitely turned in some garbage for BP3, but he only did three songs. Kanye co-produced most of the album and co-executive produced the album. Two of the worst songs on the albums were the ones he produced by himself ("Hate", "Young Forever"). As co-executive producer of the album, he also had a hand in what was kept and what was left on the cutting room floor.

If one considers BP3 to be a wack album, who's mostly at fault for the quality of the album (or lack thereof)?

So were just going to ignore all of the other tracks he did co produce that were dope ... (Cos that don't count right?) and were also going to ignore that verse he gave jay on his single right?

It all counts, my point is that Kanye had a major hand in what many consider to be a wack album. Remove the Timbo cuts, and by your own admission, there's 9 dope songs left. Well, Tim only did three songs. Who's responsible for the three remaining songs that aren't dope? Two of them belong to Kanye.

Album aint Wack ...timbos contribution however definately Wack ...album ...no

And By my own admission ...I actually like those " kanye songs" ...where did I say anything about those songs not being dope? Haters was funny and that beat knocked reminded me of "the bounce" off BP2... And I included "forever young" on the 10 songs I would keep list

So I don't know what you talkin bout b...

A lot of people consider the album wack though. BP3 is widely considered one of, if not Jay's worst albums. My point is that if a person thinks that low of the album, there's no way that cutting three songs changes that. If it's wack it means that some of those Kanye joints were wack too. The album being wack was me speaking in general, it wasn't necessarily directed towards you. Personally, I don't think the album's wack either, but it's definitely near the bottom of Jay's catalog (barring The Dynasty album and Vol. 3 because I haven't listened to either album entirely).

 
georgia boi;5974261 said:
JDSTAYWITIT.;5973757 said:
georgia boi;5973347 said:
JDSTAYWITIT.;5973264 said:
georgia boi;5973036 said:
Tim definitely turned in some garbage for BP3, but he only did three songs. Kanye co-produced most of the album and co-executive produced the album. Two of the worst songs on the albums were the ones he produced by himself ("Hate", "Young Forever"). As co-executive producer of the album, he also had a hand in what was kept and what was left on the cutting room floor.

If one considers BP3 to be a wack album, who's mostly at fault for the quality of the album (or lack thereof)?

So were just going to ignore all of the other tracks he did co produce that were dope ... (Cos that don't count right?) and were also going to ignore that verse he gave jay on his single right?

It all counts, my point is that Kanye had a major hand in what many consider to be a wack album. Remove the Timbo cuts, and by your own admission, there's 9 dope songs left. Well, Tim only did three songs. Who's responsible for the three remaining songs that aren't dope? Two of them belong to Kanye.

Album aint Wack ...timbos contribution however definately Wack ...album ...no

And By my own admission ...I actually like those " kanye songs" ...where did I say anything about those songs not being dope? Haters was funny and that beat knocked reminded me of "the bounce" off BP2... And I included "forever young" on the 10 songs I would keep list

So I don't know what you talkin bout b...

A lot of people consider the album wack though. BP3 is widely considered one of, if not Jay's worst albums. My point is that if a person thinks that low of the album, there's no way that cutting three songs changes that. If it's wack it means that some of those Kanye joints were wack too. The album being wack was me speaking in general, it wasn't necessarily directed towards you. Personally, I don't think the album's wack either, but it's definitely near the bottom of Jay's catalog (barring The Dynasty album and Vol. 3 because I haven't listened to either album entirely).

Meh.... Fair enough
 
georgia boi;5974261 said:
JDSTAYWITIT.;5973757 said:
georgia boi;5973347 said:
JDSTAYWITIT.;5973264 said:
georgia boi;5973036 said:
Tim definitely turned in some garbage for BP3, but he only did three songs. Kanye co-produced most of the album and co-executive produced the album. Two of the worst songs on the albums were the ones he produced by himself ("Hate", "Young Forever"). As co-executive producer of the album, he also had a hand in what was kept and what was left on the cutting room floor.

If one considers BP3 to be a wack album, who's mostly at fault for the quality of the album (or lack thereof)?

So were just going to ignore all of the other tracks he did co produce that were dope ... (Cos that don't count right?) and were also going to ignore that verse he gave jay on his single right?

It all counts, my point is that Kanye had a major hand in what many consider to be a wack album. Remove the Timbo cuts, and by your own admission, there's 9 dope songs left. Well, Tim only did three songs. Who's responsible for the three remaining songs that aren't dope? Two of them belong to Kanye.

Album aint Wack ...timbos contribution however definately Wack ...album ...no

And By my own admission ...I actually like those " kanye songs" ...where did I say anything about those songs not being dope? Haters was funny and that beat knocked reminded me of "the bounce" off BP2... And I included "forever young" on the 10 songs I would keep list

So I don't know what you talkin bout b...

A lot of people consider the album wack though. BP3 is widely considered one of, if not Jay's worst albums. My point is that if a person thinks that low of the album, there's no way that cutting three songs changes that. If it's wack it means that some of those Kanye joints were wack too. The album being wack was me speaking in general, it wasn't necessarily directed towards you. Personally, I don't think the album's wack either, but it's definitely near the bottom of Jay's catalog (barring The Dynasty album and Vol. 3 because I haven't listened to either album entirely).

Widely considered where?

 
I know most people rate AG higher than Vol 1 but fuck it I like Vol 1 better even though I fuck with AG.

I dont think any song on AG can fuck with Where Im From
 
ROZAYTABERNACLE;5973773 said:
1. "What We Talkin' About" (featuring Luke Steele of Empire of the Sun) Produced by Kanye and No I.D.

2. "Thank You" Produced by Kanye and No I.D.

3. "D.O.A. (Death of Auto-Tune)" Produced by No I.D.

4. "Run This Town" (featuring Kanye West and Rihanna) Produced by Kanye and No I.D.

5. "Empire State of Mind" (featuring Alicia Keys) Produced by Al Shux, Janet Sewell-Ulepic, Angela Hunte (co.)

6. "Real As it Gets" (featuring Young Jeezy) Produced by the Inkredibles

7. "On to the Next One" (featuring Swizz Beatz) Produced by Swizz Beats

8. "Off That" (featuring Drake) Produced by Timbaland and Jerome Harmon

9. "A Star is Born" (featuring J. Cole) Produced by Kanye, No I.D. & Kenoe

10. "Venus vs. Mars" Produced by Timbaland and Jerome Harmon

11. "Already Home" (featuring Kid Cudi) Produced by Kanye, No I.D. and Jeff Bhasker

12. "Hate" (featuring Kanye West) Produced by Kanye

13. "Reminder" Produced by Timbaland and Jerome Harmon

14. "So Ambitious" (featuring Pharrell) Produced by The Neptunes

15. "Young Forever" (featuring Mr Hudson) Produced by Kanye

Just for reference

Hate and Off That are the only two tracks I don't like. BP3 was tight IMO.
 
focus;5974260 said:
I'm gonna stop checking for the updates on the app. Im a big Jay fan, but listening to this nigga over articulate this "dumb nigga knowledge" he call himself trying to kick is getting unbearable. It's making me anticipate the album less. He better off just putting it on wax. It's just really not THAT deep, Shawn.

Yeah, thats what i was thinking when he was breaking down Oceans.
 

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