Jay-Z Almost Ended 2 pac's Career: DJ Clark Kent Reveals Jay-Z Recorded A 2Pac Diss

[_God_]

thats one of the worst jay z songs I ever heard, and Im big on post blueprint 2 Jay...

But this shows me either pac didn't have long left at the top of the rap game when he died or New York rap was going to be restricted to like 3 artist because if pac stays alive a couple more weeks, he would have jayz and prodigy tearin him a new one on record and nyc in support of it. Pac would have to do more than hit em up to sustain that.

Wrong. Didn't Prodigy drop LA, LA, and that shyt didn't make it outside of New York, New York lmao. Wack plus Wack equals Wack dude, so what if NY supported it, if you didn't notice NY was supporting everybody dissing Pac, man wave was just too strong at the time. And why we even talking bout this, Biggie was still alive anyway, that was NY's hope

U right, that's what funny , prodigy a verse on la la never came out. Which was the direct version of drop a gem on em. But with jay mobb deep dissing directly biggie wouldn't have said a word.

But why nobody mention pac diss on friends, " fuck jayz he broke and I smoke daily "

That diss showed me who jay was to pac. Pac didn't have anything on jay. That's wat niggas do when they have nothing else to say. It's also crazy how the two ppl Pac dissed on "friends" are the two biggest rap niggas pretty much ever (dr dre and jayz)

 

[raheemclassick]

As you can see, 2pac left this shit alone A long time ago, why can't people do the same ?

Let Mr. Carter enjoy his life with his Family"

Truth Is Truth

 

[_God_]

Why niggas keep saying la la as we know it is a diss track, it was a response record to the dog pounds New York New York . There is not one diss on la la . It was about representing nyc and responding back to the buildings being kicked over. Prodigys verse dissing pac never came out. So there fore la la not a diss record

 

[soul rattler]

So nobody is going to point out the two big ass elephants in the room?

1. The words "ended Tupac's career" are nowhere in the quote

2. The track can be easily found online and has been for at least 8 years now.

 

[AfrikQueen]

Revisionist history like a muthafucka SMMFH. First off Jay-Z was NOT a big artist in 96, he was lower tier at that point. He could have dropped a diss and it would have fallen on deaf ears behind the Chino XL, Lil Kim, Mobb Deep, Ryan G, and other wack ass disses (shoot me Jayhova Witnesses, yall prolly wasn't even old enough to know what was going on at the time Pac was HUGE). Jay couldn't even kill NaS' career on wax so FOH about him killing Pac's career.

Pac was big, but he wasn't that big, their were rap acts like the Fugees who Pac went at who were extremely bigger than Pac was. Pac was bigger in his death than he was alive.

 

[skpjr78]

Revisionist history like a muthafucka SMMFH. First off Jay-Z was NOT a big artist in 96, he was lower tier at that point. He could have dropped a diss and it would have fallen on deaf ears behind the Chino XL, Lil Kim, Mobb Deep, Ryan G, and other wack ass disses (shoot me Jayhova Witnesses, yall prolly wasn't even old enough to know what was going on at the time Pac was HUGE). Jay couldn't even kill NaS' career on wax so FOH about him killing Pac's career.

Pac was big, but he wasn't that big, their were rap acts like the Fugees who Pac went at who were extremely bigger than Pac was. Pac was bigger in his death than he was alive.

This mentality is what killed hip hop. If by being more well known and accepted by a larger cross audience is what you mean by the fugees being bigger than pac you are right. But to imply that in any way, shape or form that fugees individually or collectively were better than pac ur crazy.

I respect what the fugees bought to game and i know you cant really compare the 2 but with that said you are out of ur mind if you think they were seeing pac.

Thats like comparing kenny g to john Coltrane. Kenny has his lane but its beyond ridiculous to claim that he is better b/c he has a larger cross over following. Chasing pop crossover success is what took us from pac to souljah boy. Fohwtbs

 

[SheerExcellence]

^^^^^^

How in the world are the fugees kenny g? Wtf? Kenny g lacks soul, hence the easy pop appeal. There is no way you can sit here and say fugees lack soul or compromised their sound to become popular. They had no clue they were going to sell all those records.

I understand what you trying to say, but it does not apply in this situation. Tupac and fugees both made music for the culture and communities they from, not crossover success

 

[AfrikQueen]

Revisionist history like a muthafucka SMMFH. First off Jay-Z was NOT a big artist in 96, he was lower tier at that point. He could have dropped a diss and it would have fallen on deaf ears behind the Chino XL, Lil Kim, Mobb Deep, Ryan G, and other wack ass disses (shoot me Jayhova Witnesses, yall prolly wasn't even old enough to know what was going on at the time Pac was HUGE). Jay couldn't even kill NaS' career on wax so FOH about him killing Pac's career.

Pac was big, but he wasn't that big, their were rap acts like the Fugees who Pac went at who were extremely bigger than Pac was. Pac was bigger in his death than he was alive.

This mentality is what killed hip hop. If by being more well known and accepted by a larger cross audience is what you mean by the fugees being bigger than pac you are right. But to imply that in any way, shape or form that fugees individually or collectively were better than pac ur crazy.

I respect what the fugees bought to game and i know you cant really compare the 2 but with that said you are out of ur mind if you think they were seeing pac.

Thats like comparing kenny g to john Coltrane. Kenny has his lane but its beyond ridiculous to claim that he is better b/c he has a larger cross over following. Chasing pop crossover success is what took us from pac to souljah boy. Fohwtbs

Who said anything about the Fugees being better? I said the Fugees were bigger Hip-Hop stars within a mainstream paradigm at that time, in which they were. What killed Hip-hop is that beef shit (which pac was heavily apart of), commercialization, and its obsession with materialism (niggas today are still rapping about that same shit they rapped about in 98). And if you want to talk about music, Pac may have released classic songs, but classic all around albums? Never.

In '96 Hip-Hop publications were already saying Hip-Hop was dying due to its new found obsession with materialism that was being projected in the mainstream within the culture, where many at the time felt the Fugees and the Roots was saving the culture (even though classic hip-hop was still being released).

Go search through some of the old Hip-Hop magazines that were released at the time, and get the true opinion of how shit actually was.

I understand what you trying to say, but it does not apply in this situation. Tupac and fugees both made music for the culture and communities they from, not crossover success

Exactly, and thats my point! All I'm trying to say is that even though Pac was big at the time, their were Hip-Hop acts that were even bigger than him such as the Fugees.

 

[J.J._Evans]

First off.....I'm a supporter of Jay Z, but let's be clear though.

He rose to fame only after the deaths of 2 Pac and Biggie. If those two were never killed, there's a very high probability that Jay Z would have never became the Jay Z that we know today. He would've been just another artist that attempted to chase his dream.

 

[SheerExcellence]

First off.....I'm a supporter of Jay Z, but let's be clear though.

He rose to fame only after the deaths of 2 Pac and Biggie. If those two were never killed, there's a very high probability that Jay Z would have never became the Jay Z that we know today. He would've been just another artist that attempted to chase his dream.

True

And if hitler and japan had developed the atomic bomb first and dropped it on america, we'd be done for and germany would rule the world. And we'd all be bumping some german rock stars and eating bratwurst.

Lots of ifs and coulda and shouldas

 

[TayGettem]

So just to be clear, yall really believe pac would have been able to kill jay z on wax....in real life??

Not even that honestly, just the fact that Pac rode that wave of success and fandom at that point so big that a Jay dis wouldn't of been taken seriously in 1996. Niggas would of sided with Pac just cause.

^^^ this pretty much sums it up shit would of been another meek vs Drake

Jay could of called pac out for taken dance classes and portraying a Thug even thought he went to a very prestigious school

Folks would of still defended pac and clowned Jay

 

[unspoken_respect]

Lol a lot of Jay Z hate in here.

 

[D0wn]

Revisionist history like a muthafucka SMMFH. First off Jay-Z was NOT a big artist in 96, he was lower tier at that point. He could have dropped a diss and it would have fallen on deaf ears behind the Chino XL, Lil Kim, Mobb Deep, Ryan G, and other wack ass disses (shoot me Jayhova Witnesses, yall prolly wasn't even old enough to know what was going on at the time Pac was HUGE). Jay couldn't even kill NaS' career on wax so FOH about him killing Pac's career.

Pac was big, but he wasn't that big, their were rap acts like the Fugees who Pac went at who were extremely bigger than Pac was. Pac was bigger in his death than he was alive.

This mentality is what killed hip hop. If by being more well known and accepted by a larger cross audience is what you mean by the fugees being bigger than pac you are right. But to imply that in any way, shape or form that fugees individually or collectively were better than pac ur crazy.

I respect what the fugees bought to game and i know you cant really compare the 2 but with that said you are out of ur mind if you think they were seeing pac.

Thats like comparing kenny g to john Coltrane. Kenny has his lane but its beyond ridiculous to claim that he is better b/c he has a larger cross over following. Chasing pop crossover success is what took us from pac to souljah boy. Fohwtbs

Who said anything about the Fugees being better? I said the Fugees were bigger Hip-Hop stars within a mainstream paradigm at that time, in which they were. What killed Hip-hop is that beef shit (which pac was heavily apart of), commercialization, and its obsession with materialism (niggas today are still rapping about that same shit they rapped about in 98). And if you want to talk about music, Pac may have released classic songs, but classic all around albums? Never.

In '96 Hip-Hop publications were already saying Hip-Hop was dying due to its new found obsession with materialism that was being projected in the mainstream within the culture, where many at the time felt the Fugees and the Roots was saving the culture (even though classic hip-hop was still being released).

Go search through some of the old Hip-Hop magazines that were released at the time, and get the true opinion of how shit actually was.

I understand what you trying to say, but it does not apply in this situation. Tupac and fugees both made music for the culture and communities they from, not crossover success

Exactly, and thats my point! All I'm trying to say is that even though Pac was big at the time, their were Hip-Hop acts that were even bigger than him such as the Fugees.

Outside of Biggie, who was talking about materalistic bull shit in 95, 96?

niggas been were saying hiphop was dead, SINCE THE EARLY 90'S because, the east coast was salty the west had Rap on lock.

The Fugees were not bigger than Pac in 96 ... yea, Fugees were getting spins at z100 n wbls, and that was it...

The fugees was 03 outkast, and Pac was 2003 50 cent...

outkast was doing their thing and getting play in places were 50 wasn't, but they were not bigger than 50 at all.

Pac was big when he dropped juice n poetic justice with JANET JACKSON... that was highly regarded.

Pac was an urban legend, after he shot those white cops n beat the case. if u remember, that was a big deal in this country.

Pac became collosal, when he took those bullets, got locked, n dropped Me Against the World from jail to beat out BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN for the number ONE ALBUM IN THE COUNTRY.

The nigga was BLACK Jesus when he came out N DROPPED ALL EYEZ ON ME. Nobody was fucking with dude in 96,in terms of impact.

 

[D0wn]

First off.....I'm a supporter of Jay Z, but let's be clear though.

He rose to fame only after the deaths of 2 Pac and Biggie. If those two were never killed, there's a very high probability that Jay Z would have never became the Jay Z that we know today. He would've been just another artist that attempted to chase his dream.

True

And if hitler and japan had developed the atomic bomb first and dropped it on america, we'd be done for and germany would rule the world. And we'd all be bumping some german rock stars and eating bratwurst.

Lots of ifs and coulda and shouldas

Example:

Ross had a huge 2010... yea Teflon Don was dope. But the reason Ross had that crazy year was because ;

1.the south was running Rap. N the front runners of the south were idle that year.

2. Jeezy dropped in 09',n took 2010 off.

3. T.i N Wayne were in prison.

All those things left a lane open for Ross.

Jay became a major factor in rap in 98..

In 96, 97 jay was still finding his idenity n was very green.

By 1998, two of the major players of the mid 90's in pac n big were dead. the other guys like Nas , was idle. Snoop was leaving deathrow n headed to a new market. Dre was tryna find talent for aftermath...

For the west coast

Suge was locked, so no new talent for the west, cause deathrow was frozen.

The south was gaining more exposure with the rising of Outkast, No Limit, N Cash Money.

However, The east was still going strong after losing biggie because, Puffy n bad boy held it down in 97... also ushering the shiny suit era.

a wave JayZ Rode , go listen to vol.1... look at the singles..

The thing was, in 98 the streets was tired of that shiny, glitzy , flossy shit, and the mafioso shit jay was on in 96, got stale.

in late 97, the streets of NY was gravitating towards this young dog from Yonkers who was making alotta Noise, his name was DMX ... defjam saw that n took a chance on dude, n when X dropped those singles in early 98 the streets ate it up cause, they were starving for that street shit.

Jay saw that, n reinvent himselff be incorparated alot of the hardcore edge n sound to his music... n the rest was history.

 

[dwade206]

Almost doesn't put points on the board

 

[Brother_Five]

if u wasn't at least a teenager in 96, shut the fuck up. most of y'all started listening to hip hop in the last 5 years...

lol@u fake historians...

 

[Beefer77]

GTFOH Jay-Z took a like a year to respond to Lil Wayne and it was a weak diss.

 

[Beefer77]

Jay-Z is the subliminal diss king. He wouldn't have even mentioned pac name

 

[bck145]

No one at that time could of dissed pac and won...pac was to strong, even if it was a good diss at that time it would of flopped, biggie, jayz, mobb deep, nas...were all under the wrath of pac and none of them could of done anything to tarnish what 2pac was doing

pac was shutting down the ppl he didn't like and had he made one nation would of big upp'd the artists on the east that he did like

but jayz has shown, he's not the best at making straight up diss tracks, the only one he really bodied was prodigy and that was an easy target

 

[Brother_Five]

lol... Pac was not untouchable... stop it... unknowns have dissed artists at the height of their careers through out hip hop history.