Jay-Z Almost Ended 2 pac's Career: DJ Clark Kent Reveals Jay-Z Recorded A 2Pac Diss

[Ghostdenithegawd]

Tmz ickis at it again

 

[gemini86]

I just wanna say.....

I didn't know who Jay-Z was til Hardknock Life

Your most likely not in an area important to hip hop then

False we got BET and MTV just like everybody else. Gasp even radio too. I think I can speak for almost everybody on the westcoast when I say Jay-Z was pretty unknown til he went pop with Hardknock Life.

Bet mtv and radio are the absolute last channel that hip hop reaches you serious, he said bet and mtv lol, you wasn't into rap then bc in 96, can't knock the hustle video was running in every station, In 97, when that movie sprung dropped (movie did well) who had the the soundtrack song ? That video was playin enough for u to catch it. And in New York (the biggest part of hip hop) jay was getting love and it wasn't like now , you actually use to have to work your way up smh

Jay-Z and Rocafella weren't major players on a national level til a awkward space was created due to the deaths of Biggie and Pac. Check the stats. Jay-Z wasn't a factor til around "Feeling It", "Hardknock Life", and "Can I Get A". And look at the dates those came out.

I'm not understanding where you're going with the post. Hard Knock Life was his biggest hit in 98, but you act as if only Biggie and Pac were making hits. Which is a lot of revisionist history and completely false.

Okay.

Show me a Jay-Z song that got spins across the country while 2Pac was alive.

He died in 96 and Jay Z's debut album was in 96 and his album went gold. Also "Ain't No Nigga" got plenty spins and it wasn't only the single off of Jay's album it was one of the singles off the Nutty Professor soundtrack. Was he a huge star then? No. But he wasn't a complete nobody like some of you are trying to portray. I didn't start listening/following Hip Hop in the early 2000s bruh. Alot of the shit being posted in here his revisionist history skewed facts.

False bro

Mobb Deep had more clout than J

Nas had more clout than J

Method Man had more clout than J

Hell even ODB had more clout than J

I wouldn't go as far as to say he was a nobody, but if it wasn't for living in the east coast media capital, he wouldn't have been much of a factor to the genre in the mid 90's. Pac didn't even go ham on Jay-Z that much besides a basic "Fuck Jay-Z" and a Hawaii Sophie reference. Da Brat and Lil Kim took harder shots from Pac during that time. It took Reasonable Doubt six years to go platinum. That's 2002. That's when Rocafella as a whole was running the game. That's right when he really started becoming "Jigga that nigga". No diss or discredit, but Reasonable Doubt was a regional classic until Jay-Z really got popping and his new fans wanted to go back to his roots.

Regardless, Jay Z is infinitely more successful than 2Pac.

Pac is dead man, jay is still alive & accomplishing things

to be honest i dont think jayz has sold as many records as 2pac

 

[5 Grand]

I just wanna say.....

I didn't know who Jay-Z was til Hardknock Life

Your most likely not in an area important to hip hop then

False we got BET and MTV just like everybody else. Gasp even radio too. I think I can speak for almost everybody on the westcoast when I say Jay-Z was pretty unknown til he went pop with Hardknock Life.

Bet mtv and radio are the absolute last channel that hip hop reaches you serious, he said bet and mtv lol, you wasn't into rap then bc in 96, can't knock the hustle video was running in every station, In 97, when that movie sprung dropped (movie did well) who had the the soundtrack song ? That video was playin enough for u to catch it. And in New York (the biggest part of hip hop) jay was getting love and it wasn't like now , you actually use to have to work your way up smh

Jay-Z and Rocafella weren't major players on a national level til a awkward space was created due to the deaths of Biggie and Pac. Check the stats. Jay-Z wasn't a factor til around "Feeling It", "Hardknock Life", and "Can I Get A". And look at the dates those came out.

I'm not understanding where you're going with the post. Hard Knock Life was his biggest hit in 98, but you act as if only Biggie and Pac were making hits. Which is a lot of revisionist history and completely false.

Okay.

Show me a Jay-Z song that got spins across the country while 2Pac was alive.

He died in 96 and Jay Z's debut album was in 96 and his album went gold. Also "Ain't No Nigga" got plenty spins and it wasn't only the single off of Jay's album it was one of the singles off the Nutty Professor soundtrack. Was he a huge star then? No. But he wasn't a complete nobody like some of you are trying to portray. I didn't start listening/following Hip Hop in the early 2000s bruh. Alot of the shit being posted in here his revisionist history skewed facts.

False bro

Mobb Deep had more clout than J

Nas had more clout than J

Method Man had more clout than J

Hell even ODB had more clout than J

I wouldn't go as far as to say he was a nobody, but if it wasn't for living in the east coast media capital, he wouldn't have been much of a factor to the genre in the mid 90's. Pac didn't even go ham on Jay-Z that much besides a basic "Fuck Jay-Z" and a Hawaii Sophie reference. Da Brat and Lil Kim took harder shots from Pac during that time. It took Reasonable Doubt six years to go platinum. That's 2002. That's when Rocafella as a whole was running the game. That's right when he really started becoming "Jigga that nigga". No diss or discredit, but Reasonable Doubt was a regional classic until Jay-Z really got popping and his new fans wanted to go back to his roots.

Regardless, Jay Z is infinitely more successful than 2Pac.

Bruh you really want to have this convo?

I'll have this convo any day and all day; Jay Z owned his own label, had several multi platinum albums, married Beyonce and at present date is worth $500 million dollars.

2Pac sold a lot of records and starred in several movies. He had a vision, a passion for what he believed in but he died broke while awaiting his appeal trial for rape and sodomy

Its impossible to make a coherent argument that 2Pac is more successful.

I just wanna say.....

I didn't know who Jay-Z was til Hardknock Life

Your most likely not in an area important to hip hop then

False we got BET and MTV just like everybody else. Gasp even radio too. I think I can speak for almost everybody on the westcoast when I say Jay-Z was pretty unknown til he went pop with Hardknock Life.

Bet mtv and radio are the absolute last channel that hip hop reaches you serious, he said bet and mtv lol, you wasn't into rap then bc in 96, can't knock the hustle video was running in every station, In 97, when that movie sprung dropped (movie did well) who had the the soundtrack song ? That video was playin enough for u to catch it. And in New York (the biggest part of hip hop) jay was getting love and it wasn't like now , you actually use to have to work your way up smh

Jay-Z and Rocafella weren't major players on a national level til a awkward space was created due to the deaths of Biggie and Pac. Check the stats. Jay-Z wasn't a factor til around "Feeling It", "Hardknock Life", and "Can I Get A". And look at the dates those came out.

I'm not understanding where you're going with the post. Hard Knock Life was his biggest hit in 98, but you act as if only Biggie and Pac were making hits. Which is a lot of revisionist history and completely false.

Okay.

Show me a Jay-Z song that got spins across the country while 2Pac was alive.

He died in 96 and Jay Z's debut album was in 96 and his album went gold. Also "Ain't No Nigga" got plenty spins and it wasn't only the single off of Jay's album it was one of the singles off the Nutty Professor soundtrack. Was he a huge star then? No. But he wasn't a complete nobody like some of you are trying to portray. I didn't start listening/following Hip Hop in the early 2000s bruh. Alot of the shit being posted in here his revisionist history skewed facts.

False bro

Mobb Deep had more clout than J

Nas had more clout than J

Method Man had more clout than J

Hell even ODB had more clout than J

I wouldn't go as far as to say he was a nobody, but if it wasn't for living in the east coast media capital, he wouldn't have been much of a factor to the genre in the mid 90's. Pac didn't even go ham on Jay-Z that much besides a basic "Fuck Jay-Z" and a Hawaii Sophie reference. Da Brat and Lil Kim took harder shots from Pac during that time. It took Reasonable Doubt six years to go platinum. That's 2002. That's when Rocafella as a whole was running the game. That's right when he really started becoming "Jigga that nigga". No diss or discredit, but Reasonable Doubt was a regional classic until Jay-Z really got popping and his new fans wanted to go back to his roots.

Regardless, Jay Z is infinitely more successful than 2Pac.

Pac is dead man, jay is still alive & accomplishing things

to be honest i dont think jayz has sold as many records as 2pac

There's more to success than record sales.

 

[Turfaholic]

I just wanna say.....

I didn't know who Jay-Z was til Hardknock Life

Your most likely not in an area important to hip hop then

False we got BET and MTV just like everybody else. Gasp even radio too. I think I can speak for almost everybody on the westcoast when I say Jay-Z was pretty unknown til he went pop with Hardknock Life.

Bet mtv and radio are the absolute last channel that hip hop reaches you serious, he said bet and mtv lol, you wasn't into rap then bc in 96, can't knock the hustle video was running in every station, In 97, when that movie sprung dropped (movie did well) who had the the soundtrack song ? That video was playin enough for u to catch it. And in New York (the biggest part of hip hop) jay was getting love and it wasn't like now , you actually use to have to work your way up smh

Jay-Z and Rocafella weren't major players on a national level til a awkward space was created due to the deaths of Biggie and Pac. Check the stats. Jay-Z wasn't a factor til around "Feeling It", "Hardknock Life", and "Can I Get A". And look at the dates those came out.

I'm not understanding where you're going with the post. Hard Knock Life was his biggest hit in 98, but you act as if only Biggie and Pac were making hits. Which is a lot of revisionist history and completely false.

Okay.

Show me a Jay-Z song that got spins across the country while 2Pac was alive.

He died in 96 and Jay Z's debut album was in 96 and his album went gold. Also "Ain't No Nigga" got plenty spins and it wasn't only the single off of Jay's album it was one of the singles off the Nutty Professor soundtrack. Was he a huge star then? No. But he wasn't a complete nobody like some of you are trying to portray. I didn't start listening/following Hip Hop in the early 2000s bruh. Alot of the shit being posted in here his revisionist history skewed facts.

False bro

Mobb Deep had more clout than J

Nas had more clout than J

Method Man had more clout than J

Hell even ODB had more clout than J

I wouldn't go as far as to say he was a nobody, but if it wasn't for living in the east coast media capital, he wouldn't have been much of a factor to the genre in the mid 90's. Pac didn't even go ham on Jay-Z that much besides a basic "Fuck Jay-Z" and a Hawaii Sophie reference. Da Brat and Lil Kim took harder shots from Pac during that time. It took Reasonable Doubt six years to go platinum. That's 2002. That's when Rocafella as a whole was running the game. That's right when he really started becoming "Jigga that nigga". No diss or discredit, but Reasonable Doubt was a regional classic until Jay-Z really got popping and his new fans wanted to go back to his roots.

Umm, I'm not sure where your going with this post. You asked me to tell you a song that got spins while Pac was alive and I gave you one. I already said Jay Z wasn't as big as the other acts and that he wasn't a relatively unknown either. 2002 may have been a peek year for The Roc, but it damn sure wasn't a peek year for Jay as an artist. His peak year was 98 when Hard Knock Life sold 5 million. He hasn't eclisped that mark yet. Also Vol. 1 went platium, so that represents a growth from in fanbase from 96 to 97. I also said Reasonable Doubt only went gold, I'm not sure why you brought up the fact it took six years to go platinum.

Let's stay on topic here. When Pac was alive, Hov only had Reasonable Doubt to his resume. By the end of 96, RD did 420,000 units sold. Pac dropped All Eyez On Me. A number 1 album which contained 2 number 1 records in "How Do You Want It" & "California Love". He also dropped 7 Day Theory. Another number 1 album that knocked The Beatles out of the top spot. The fucking Beatles. 664,000 units in the first week, this is 96 we're talking about. Not the ringtone era when platinum was the standards.

So we know for sure Jay-Z wasn't even on Pac level in 96. Now The Fugees also dropped a number 1 album in 96. It only took them one year to drop 6 million records. Nas dropped "It was written in 96. 268,000 first week. 2million fans purchased it that year. Now heres one I take personal pride in. E-40 dropped "The Hall Of Game" in 96 and peaked at number 2 on the hip hop/rap charts. E-40 was even hitting higher chart numbers in 96 and that's coming out of a small market area, Jive was decent but it wasn't a Def Jam. And it was technically a independent album with Jive distributing the album. I maybe biased towards that because I'm from the bay and my dad purchased that album and banged it everyday. Radio also played "Players Ball" religously. Outlast dropped ATLiens that year too and debuted at 2 on Billboards top 200. Bro Jay-Z was a little fish in the pond that year. I can almost promise you he wasn't that known outside of the tristate area. But with the support of the tristate area, the DMV, area, and the Philly area you can drop a album and do a Lil work.

 

[nineties]

hard to believe Jay is actually older than Pac considering how Pac was a celeb like a good 6-7 years before Jay got big. Jay should be the same age as Nas.

 

[5 Grand]

I just wanna say.....

I didn't know who Jay-Z was til Hardknock Life

Your most likely not in an area important to hip hop then

False we got BET and MTV just like everybody else. Gasp even radio too. I think I can speak for almost everybody on the westcoast when I say Jay-Z was pretty unknown til he went pop with Hardknock Life.

Bet mtv and radio are the absolute last channel that hip hop reaches you serious, he said bet and mtv lol, you wasn't into rap then bc in 96, can't knock the hustle video was running in every station, In 97, when that movie sprung dropped (movie did well) who had the the soundtrack song ? That video was playin enough for u to catch it. And in New York (the biggest part of hip hop) jay was getting love and it wasn't like now , you actually use to have to work your way up smh

Jay-Z and Rocafella weren't major players on a national level til a awkward space was created due to the deaths of Biggie and Pac. Check the stats. Jay-Z wasn't a factor til around "Feeling It", "Hardknock Life", and "Can I Get A". And look at the dates those came out.

I'm not understanding where you're going with the post. Hard Knock Life was his biggest hit in 98, but you act as if only Biggie and Pac were making hits. Which is a lot of revisionist history and completely false.

Okay.

Show me a Jay-Z song that got spins across the country while 2Pac was alive.

He died in 96 and Jay Z's debut album was in 96 and his album went gold. Also "Ain't No Nigga" got plenty spins and it wasn't only the single off of Jay's album it was one of the singles off the Nutty Professor soundtrack. Was he a huge star then? No. But he wasn't a complete nobody like some of you are trying to portray. I didn't start listening/following Hip Hop in the early 2000s bruh. Alot of the shit being posted in here his revisionist history skewed facts.

False bro

Mobb Deep had more clout than J

Nas had more clout than J

Method Man had more clout than J

Hell even ODB had more clout than J

I wouldn't go as far as to say he was a nobody, but if it wasn't for living in the east coast media capital, he wouldn't have been much of a factor to the genre in the mid 90's. Pac didn't even go ham on Jay-Z that much besides a basic "Fuck Jay-Z" and a Hawaii Sophie reference. Da Brat and Lil Kim took harder shots from Pac during that time. It took Reasonable Doubt six years to go platinum. That's 2002. That's when Rocafella as a whole was running the game. That's right when he really started becoming "Jigga that nigga". No diss or discredit, but Reasonable Doubt was a regional classic until Jay-Z really got popping and his new fans wanted to go back to his roots.

Umm, I'm not sure where your going with this post. You asked me to tell you a song that got spins while Pac was alive and I gave you one. I already said Jay Z wasn't as big as the other acts and that he wasn't a relatively unknown either. 2002 may have been a peek year for The Roc, but it damn sure wasn't a peek year for Jay as an artist. His peak year was 98 when Hard Knock Life sold 5 million. He hasn't eclisped that mark yet. Also Vol. 1 went platium, so that represents a growth from in fanbase from 96 to 97. I also said Reasonable Doubt only went gold, I'm not sure why you brought up the fact it took six years to go platinum.

Let's stay on topic here. When Pac was alive, Hov only had Reasonable Doubt to his resume. By the end of 96, RD did 420,000 units sold. Pac dropped All Eyez On Me. A number 1 album which contained 2 number 1 records in "How Do You Want It" & "California Love". He also dropped 7 Day Theory. Another number 1 album that knocked The Beatles out of the top spot. The fucking Beatles. 664,000 units in the first week, this is 96 we're talking about. Not the ringtone era when platinum was the standards.

So we know for sure Jay-Z wasn't even on Pac level in 96. Now The Fugees also dropped a number 1 album in 96. It only took them one year to drop 6 million records. Nas dropped "It was written in 96. 268,000 first week. 2million fans purchased it that year. Now heres one I take personal pride in. E-40 dropped "The Hall Of Game" in 96 and peaked at number 2 on the hip hop/rap charts. E-40 was even hitting higher chart numbers in 96 and that's coming out of a small market area, Jive was decent but it wasn't a Def Jam. And it was technically a independent album with Jive distributing the album. I maybe biased towards that because I'm from the bay and my dad purchased that album and banged it everyday. Radio also played "Players Ball" religously. Outlast dropped ATLiens that year too and debuted at 2 on Billboards top 200. Bro Jay-Z was a little fish in the pond that year. I can almost promise you he wasn't that known outside of the tristate area. But with the support of the tristate area, the DMV, area, and the Philly area you can drop a album and do a Lil work.

What's your point?

2Pac peaked before Jay Z. Everybody knows that.

But when you compare both of their careers when they were at their peak, they're about even. The only difference is that Jay lived to appreciate his success.

 

[themadlionsfan]

I just wanna say.....

I didn't know who Jay-Z was til Hardknock Life

Your most likely not in an area important to hip hop then

False we got BET and MTV just like everybody else. Gasp even radio too. I think I can speak for almost everybody on the westcoast when I say Jay-Z was pretty unknown til he went pop with Hardknock Life.

Bet mtv and radio are the absolute last channel that hip hop reaches you serious, he said bet and mtv lol, you wasn't into rap then bc in 96, can't knock the hustle video was running in every station, In 97, when that movie sprung dropped (movie did well) who had the the soundtrack song ? That video was playin enough for u to catch it. And in New York (the biggest part of hip hop) jay was getting love and it wasn't like now , you actually use to have to work your way up smh

Jay-Z and Rocafella weren't major players on a national level til a awkward space was created due to the deaths of Biggie and Pac. Check the stats. Jay-Z wasn't a factor til around "Feeling It", "Hardknock Life", and "Can I Get A". And look at the dates those came out.

I'm not understanding where you're going with the post. Hard Knock Life was his biggest hit in 98, but you act as if only Biggie and Pac were making hits. Which is a lot of revisionist history and completely false.

Okay.

Show me a Jay-Z song that got spins across the country while 2Pac was alive.

He died in 96 and Jay Z's debut album was in 96 and his album went gold. Also "Ain't No Nigga" got plenty spins and it wasn't only the single off of Jay's album it was one of the singles off the Nutty Professor soundtrack. Was he a huge star then? No. But he wasn't a complete nobody like some of you are trying to portray. I didn't start listening/following Hip Hop in the early 2000s bruh. Alot of the shit being posted in here his revisionist history skewed facts.

False bro

Mobb Deep had more clout than J

Nas had more clout than J

Method Man had more clout than J

Hell even ODB had more clout than J

I wouldn't go as far as to say he was a nobody, but if it wasn't for living in the east coast media capital, he wouldn't have been much of a factor to the genre in the mid 90's. Pac didn't even go ham on Jay-Z that much besides a basic "Fuck Jay-Z" and a Hawaii Sophie reference. Da Brat and Lil Kim took harder shots from Pac during that time. It took Reasonable Doubt six years to go platinum. That's 2002. That's when Rocafella as a whole was running the game. That's right when he really started becoming "Jigga that nigga". No diss or discredit, but Reasonable Doubt was a regional classic until Jay-Z really got popping and his new fans wanted to go back to his roots.

Umm, I'm not sure where your going with this post. You asked me to tell you a song that got spins while Pac was alive and I gave you one. I already said Jay Z wasn't as big as the other acts and that he wasn't a relatively unknown either. 2002 may have been a peek year for The Roc, but it damn sure wasn't a peek year for Jay as an artist. His peak year was 98 when Hard Knock Life sold 5 million. He hasn't eclisped that mark yet. Also Vol. 1 went platium, so that represents a growth from in fanbase from 96 to 97. I also said Reasonable Doubt only went gold, I'm not sure why you brought up the fact it took six years to go platinum.

Let's stay on topic here. When Pac was alive, Hov only had Reasonable Doubt to his resume. By the end of 96, RD did 420,000 units sold. Pac dropped All Eyez On Me. A number 1 album which contained 2 number 1 records in "How Do You Want It" & "California Love". He also dropped 7 Day Theory. Another number 1 album that knocked The Beatles out of the top spot. The fucking Beatles. 664,000 units in the first week, this is 96 we're talking about. Not the ringtone era when platinum was the standards.

So we know for sure Jay-Z wasn't even on Pac level in 96. Now The Fugees also dropped a number 1 album in 96. It only took them one year to drop 6 million records. Nas dropped "It was written in 96. 268,000 first week. 2million fans purchased it that year. Now heres one I take personal pride in. E-40 dropped "The Hall Of Game" in 96 and peaked at number 2 on the hip hop/rap charts. E-40 was even hitting higher chart numbers in 96 and that's coming out of a small market area, Jive was decent but it wasn't a Def Jam. And it was technically a independent album with Jive distributing the album. I maybe biased towards that because I'm from the bay and my dad purchased that album and banged it everyday. Radio also played "Players Ball" religously. Outlast dropped ATLiens that year too and debuted at 2 on Billboards top 200. Bro Jay-Z was a little fish in the pond that year. I can almost promise you he wasn't that known outside of the tristate area. But with the support of the tristate area, the DMV, area, and the Philly area you can drop a album and do a Lil work.

What was the point of all this?

 

[JDSTAYWITIT]

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHA

MAN I LOVE THESE KINDS OF FUCKIN THREADS ....ITS LIKE THERAPY FOR ALL OF THE DUSTY ASS EAST COAST NIGGAS TO VENT OUT ALL OF THEIR PENT OF FRUSTRATION RAGE AND RESENTMENT TO PAC FOR THE WAY HE HUMILIATED THEM NIGGAS ....

ITS THE SAME SHIT EVERY TIME

BUT BUT BUT .....PAC WASNT METEOR MAN GUYS .....BUT BUT BUT ....PAC WASNT MAGNETO GUYS .......BUT BUT BUT PAC WASNT MASTER SHREDDER ON THE OOZ GUYS

NIGGA STFU LMAO ....CRYBABY ASS NIGGAS WITH THAT STRAW MAN BULLSHIT RAMBLING ABOUT A BUNCH OF SHIT THAT NOBODY GIVES A FUCK ABOUT

PAC WOULD HAVE KILLED '96 JAYZ FOR NUMEROUS REASONS .......YO B ALL THESE DUSTY ASS EAST COAST NIGGAS TELLING YOU OTHERWISE BEEN WEARING THEM DIRTY ASS SKULLYCAPS TOO TIGHT SON ....WORD TO MUTHA GAWD ....

 

[Turfaholic]

I just wanna say.....

I didn't know who Jay-Z was til Hardknock Life

Your most likely not in an area important to hip hop then

False we got BET and MTV just like everybody else. Gasp even radio too. I think I can speak for almost everybody on the westcoast when I say Jay-Z was pretty unknown til he went pop with Hardknock Life.

Bet mtv and radio are the absolute last channel that hip hop reaches you serious, he said bet and mtv lol, you wasn't into rap then bc in 96, can't knock the hustle video was running in every station, In 97, when that movie sprung dropped (movie did well) who had the the soundtrack song ? That video was playin enough for u to catch it. And in New York (the biggest part of hip hop) jay was getting love and it wasn't like now , you actually use to have to work your way up smh

Jay-Z and Rocafella weren't major players on a national level til a awkward space was created due to the deaths of Biggie and Pac. Check the stats. Jay-Z wasn't a factor til around "Feeling It", "Hardknock Life", and "Can I Get A". And look at the dates those came out.

I'm not understanding where you're going with the post. Hard Knock Life was his biggest hit in 98, but you act as if only Biggie and Pac were making hits. Which is a lot of revisionist history and completely false.

Okay.

Show me a Jay-Z song that got spins across the country while 2Pac was alive.

He died in 96 and Jay Z's debut album was in 96 and his album went gold. Also "Ain't No Nigga" got plenty spins and it wasn't only the single off of Jay's album it was one of the singles off the Nutty Professor soundtrack. Was he a huge star then? No. But he wasn't a complete nobody like some of you are trying to portray. I didn't start listening/following Hip Hop in the early 2000s bruh. Alot of the shit being posted in here his revisionist history skewed facts.

False bro

Mobb Deep had more clout than J

Nas had more clout than J

Method Man had more clout than J

Hell even ODB had more clout than J

I wouldn't go as far as to say he was a nobody, but if it wasn't for living in the east coast media capital, he wouldn't have been much of a factor to the genre in the mid 90's. Pac didn't even go ham on Jay-Z that much besides a basic "Fuck Jay-Z" and a Hawaii Sophie reference. Da Brat and Lil Kim took harder shots from Pac during that time. It took Reasonable Doubt six years to go platinum. That's 2002. That's when Rocafella as a whole was running the game. That's right when he really started becoming "Jigga that nigga". No diss or discredit, but Reasonable Doubt was a regional classic until Jay-Z really got popping and his new fans wanted to go back to his roots.

Umm, I'm not sure where your going with this post. You asked me to tell you a song that got spins while Pac was alive and I gave you one. I already said Jay Z wasn't as big as the other acts and that he wasn't a relatively unknown either. 2002 may have been a peek year for The Roc, but it damn sure wasn't a peek year for Jay as an artist. His peak year was 98 when Hard Knock Life sold 5 million. He hasn't eclisped that mark yet. Also Vol. 1 went platium, so that represents a growth from in fanbase from 96 to 97. I also said Reasonable Doubt only went gold, I'm not sure why you brought up the fact it took six years to go platinum.

Let's stay on topic here. When Pac was alive, Hov only had Reasonable Doubt to his resume. By the end of 96, RD did 420,000 units sold. Pac dropped All Eyez On Me. A number 1 album which contained 2 number 1 records in "How Do You Want It" & "California Love". He also dropped 7 Day Theory. Another number 1 album that knocked The Beatles out of the top spot. The fucking Beatles. 664,000 units in the first week, this is 96 we're talking about. Not the ringtone era when platinum was the standards.

So we know for sure Jay-Z wasn't even on Pac level in 96. Now The Fugees also dropped a number 1 album in 96. It only took them one year to drop 6 million records. Nas dropped "It was written in 96. 268,000 first week. 2million fans purchased it that year. Now heres one I take personal pride in. E-40 dropped "The Hall Of Game" in 96 and peaked at number 2 on the hip hop/rap charts. E-40 was even hitting higher chart numbers in 96 and that's coming out of a small market area, Jive was decent but it wasn't a Def Jam. And it was technically a independent album with Jive distributing the album. I maybe biased towards that because I'm from the bay and my dad purchased that album and banged it everyday. Radio also played "Players Ball" religously. Outlast dropped ATLiens that year too and debuted at 2 on Billboards top 200. Bro Jay-Z was a little fish in the pond that year. I can almost promise you he wasn't that known outside of the tristate area. But with the support of the tristate area, the DMV, area, and the Philly area you can drop a album and do a Lil work.

What's your point?

2Pac peaked before Jay Z. Everybody knows that.

But when you compare both of their careers when they were at their peak, they're about even. The only difference is that Jay lived to appreciate his success.

Uh no. Jay was blessed to live in the bling bling era. Project Pat did numbers. Chingy did numbers. Nelly did numbers. Souljah Boy did numbers. When the bling bling and ringtone rap eras started to reside, so did Hov. From Kingdom Come, to BP3, and MCHG.

 

[Turfaholic]

I just wanna say.....

I didn't know who Jay-Z was til Hardknock Life

Your most likely not in an area important to hip hop then

False we got BET and MTV just like everybody else. Gasp even radio too. I think I can speak for almost everybody on the westcoast when I say Jay-Z was pretty unknown til he went pop with Hardknock Life.

Bet mtv and radio are the absolute last channel that hip hop reaches you serious, he said bet and mtv lol, you wasn't into rap then bc in 96, can't knock the hustle video was running in every station, In 97, when that movie sprung dropped (movie did well) who had the the soundtrack song ? That video was playin enough for u to catch it. And in New York (the biggest part of hip hop) jay was getting love and it wasn't like now , you actually use to have to work your way up smh

Jay-Z and Rocafella weren't major players on a national level til a awkward space was created due to the deaths of Biggie and Pac. Check the stats. Jay-Z wasn't a factor til around "Feeling It", "Hardknock Life", and "Can I Get A". And look at the dates those came out.

I'm not understanding where you're going with the post. Hard Knock Life was his biggest hit in 98, but you act as if only Biggie and Pac were making hits. Which is a lot of revisionist history and completely false.

Okay.

Show me a Jay-Z song that got spins across the country while 2Pac was alive.

He died in 96 and Jay Z's debut album was in 96 and his album went gold. Also "Ain't No Nigga" got plenty spins and it wasn't only the single off of Jay's album it was one of the singles off the Nutty Professor soundtrack. Was he a huge star then? No. But he wasn't a complete nobody like some of you are trying to portray. I didn't start listening/following Hip Hop in the early 2000s bruh. Alot of the shit being posted in here his revisionist history skewed facts.

False bro

Mobb Deep had more clout than J

Nas had more clout than J

Method Man had more clout than J

Hell even ODB had more clout than J

I wouldn't go as far as to say he was a nobody, but if it wasn't for living in the east coast media capital, he wouldn't have been much of a factor to the genre in the mid 90's. Pac didn't even go ham on Jay-Z that much besides a basic "Fuck Jay-Z" and a Hawaii Sophie reference. Da Brat and Lil Kim took harder shots from Pac during that time. It took Reasonable Doubt six years to go platinum. That's 2002. That's when Rocafella as a whole was running the game. That's right when he really started becoming "Jigga that nigga". No diss or discredit, but Reasonable Doubt was a regional classic until Jay-Z really got popping and his new fans wanted to go back to his roots.

Umm, I'm not sure where your going with this post. You asked me to tell you a song that got spins while Pac was alive and I gave you one. I already said Jay Z wasn't as big as the other acts and that he wasn't a relatively unknown either. 2002 may have been a peek year for The Roc, but it damn sure wasn't a peek year for Jay as an artist. His peak year was 98 when Hard Knock Life sold 5 million. He hasn't eclisped that mark yet. Also Vol. 1 went platium, so that represents a growth from in fanbase from 96 to 97. I also said Reasonable Doubt only went gold, I'm not sure why you brought up the fact it took six years to go platinum.

Let's stay on topic here. When Pac was alive, Hov only had Reasonable Doubt to his resume. By the end of 96, RD did 420,000 units sold. Pac dropped All Eyez On Me. A number 1 album which contained 2 number 1 records in "How Do You Want It" & "California Love". He also dropped 7 Day Theory. Another number 1 album that knocked The Beatles out of the top spot. The fucking Beatles. 664,000 units in the first week, this is 96 we're talking about. Not the ringtone era when platinum was the standards.

So we know for sure Jay-Z wasn't even on Pac level in 96. Now The Fugees also dropped a number 1 album in 96. It only took them one year to drop 6 million records. Nas dropped "It was written in 96. 268,000 first week. 2million fans purchased it that year. Now heres one I take personal pride in. E-40 dropped "The Hall Of Game" in 96 and peaked at number 2 on the hip hop/rap charts. E-40 was even hitting higher chart numbers in 96 and that's coming out of a small market area, Jive was decent but it wasn't a Def Jam. And it was technically a independent album with Jive distributing the album. I maybe biased towards that because I'm from the bay and my dad purchased that album and banged it everyday. Radio also played "Players Ball" religously. Outlast dropped ATLiens that year too and debuted at 2 on Billboards top 200. Bro Jay-Z was a little fish in the pond that year. I can almost promise you he wasn't that known outside of the tristate area. But with the support of the tristate area, the DMV, area, and the Philly area you can drop a album and do a Lil work.

What was the point of all this?

Simply enough, Jay-Z wasn't shit til the south got hot

 

[gemini86]

I just wanna say.....

I didn't know who Jay-Z was til Hardknock Life

Your most likely not in an area important to hip hop then

False we got BET and MTV just like everybody else. Gasp even radio too. I think I can speak for almost everybody on the westcoast when I say Jay-Z was pretty unknown til he went pop with Hardknock Life.

Bet mtv and radio are the absolute last channel that hip hop reaches you serious, he said bet and mtv lol, you wasn't into rap then bc in 96, can't knock the hustle video was running in every station, In 97, when that movie sprung dropped (movie did well) who had the the soundtrack song ? That video was playin enough for u to catch it. And in New York (the biggest part of hip hop) jay was getting love and it wasn't like now , you actually use to have to work your way up smh

Jay-Z and Rocafella weren't major players on a national level til a awkward space was created due to the deaths of Biggie and Pac. Check the stats. Jay-Z wasn't a factor til around "Feeling It", "Hardknock Life", and "Can I Get A". And look at the dates those came out.

I'm not understanding where you're going with the post. Hard Knock Life was his biggest hit in 98, but you act as if only Biggie and Pac were making hits. Which is a lot of revisionist history and completely false.

Okay.

Show me a Jay-Z song that got spins across the country while 2Pac was alive.

He died in 96 and Jay Z's debut album was in 96 and his album went gold. Also "Ain't No Nigga" got plenty spins and it wasn't only the single off of Jay's album it was one of the singles off the Nutty Professor soundtrack. Was he a huge star then? No. But he wasn't a complete nobody like some of you are trying to portray. I didn't start listening/following Hip Hop in the early 2000s bruh. Alot of the shit being posted in here his revisionist history skewed facts.

False bro

Mobb Deep had more clout than J

Nas had more clout than J

Method Man had more clout than J

Hell even ODB had more clout than J

I wouldn't go as far as to say he was a nobody, but if it wasn't for living in the east coast media capital, he wouldn't have been much of a factor to the genre in the mid 90's. Pac didn't even go ham on Jay-Z that much besides a basic "Fuck Jay-Z" and a Hawaii Sophie reference. Da Brat and Lil Kim took harder shots from Pac during that time. It took Reasonable Doubt six years to go platinum. That's 2002. That's when Rocafella as a whole was running the game. That's right when he really started becoming "Jigga that nigga". No diss or discredit, but Reasonable Doubt was a regional classic until Jay-Z really got popping and his new fans wanted to go back to his roots.

Regardless, Jay Z is infinitely more successful than 2Pac.

Bruh you really want to have this convo?

I'll have this convo any day and all day; Jay Z owned his own label, had several multi platinum albums, married Beyonce and at present date is worth $500 million dollars.

2Pac sold a lot of records and starred in several movies. He had a vision, a passion for what he believed in but he died broke while awaiting his appeal trial for rape and sodomy

Its impossible to make a coherent argument that 2Pac is more successful.

I just wanna say.....

I didn't know who Jay-Z was til Hardknock Life

Your most likely not in an area important to hip hop then

False we got BET and MTV just like everybody else. Gasp even radio too. I think I can speak for almost everybody on the westcoast when I say Jay-Z was pretty unknown til he went pop with Hardknock Life.

Bet mtv and radio are the absolute last channel that hip hop reaches you serious, he said bet and mtv lol, you wasn't into rap then bc in 96, can't knock the hustle video was running in every station, In 97, when that movie sprung dropped (movie did well) who had the the soundtrack song ? That video was playin enough for u to catch it. And in New York (the biggest part of hip hop) jay was getting love and it wasn't like now , you actually use to have to work your way up smh

Jay-Z and Rocafella weren't major players on a national level til a awkward space was created due to the deaths of Biggie and Pac. Check the stats. Jay-Z wasn't a factor til around "Feeling It", "Hardknock Life", and "Can I Get A". And look at the dates those came out.

I'm not understanding where you're going with the post. Hard Knock Life was his biggest hit in 98, but you act as if only Biggie and Pac were making hits. Which is a lot of revisionist history and completely false.

Okay.

Show me a Jay-Z song that got spins across the country while 2Pac was alive.

He died in 96 and Jay Z's debut album was in 96 and his album went gold. Also "Ain't No Nigga" got plenty spins and it wasn't only the single off of Jay's album it was one of the singles off the Nutty Professor soundtrack. Was he a huge star then? No. But he wasn't a complete nobody like some of you are trying to portray. I didn't start listening/following Hip Hop in the early 2000s bruh. Alot of the shit being posted in here his revisionist history skewed facts.

False bro

Mobb Deep had more clout than J

Nas had more clout than J

Method Man had more clout than J

Hell even ODB had more clout than J

I wouldn't go as far as to say he was a nobody, but if it wasn't for living in the east coast media capital, he wouldn't have been much of a factor to the genre in the mid 90's. Pac didn't even go ham on Jay-Z that much besides a basic "Fuck Jay-Z" and a Hawaii Sophie reference. Da Brat and Lil Kim took harder shots from Pac during that time. It took Reasonable Doubt six years to go platinum. That's 2002. That's when Rocafella as a whole was running the game. That's right when he really started becoming "Jigga that nigga". No diss or discredit, but Reasonable Doubt was a regional classic until Jay-Z really got popping and his new fans wanted to go back to his roots.

Regardless, Jay Z is infinitely more successful than 2Pac.

Pac is dead man, jay is still alive & accomplishing things

to be honest i dont think jayz has sold as many records as 2pac

There's more to success than record sales.

shut the fuck up. so u use that excuse for jay but not 50 right. u a wack clown

 

[5 Grand]

I just wanna say.....

I didn't know who Jay-Z was til Hardknock Life

Your most likely not in an area important to hip hop then

False we got BET and MTV just like everybody else. Gasp even radio too. I think I can speak for almost everybody on the westcoast when I say Jay-Z was pretty unknown til he went pop with Hardknock Life.

Bet mtv and radio are the absolute last channel that hip hop reaches you serious, he said bet and mtv lol, you wasn't into rap then bc in 96, can't knock the hustle video was running in every station, In 97, when that movie sprung dropped (movie did well) who had the the soundtrack song ? That video was playin enough for u to catch it. And in New York (the biggest part of hip hop) jay was getting love and it wasn't like now , you actually use to have to work your way up smh

Jay-Z and Rocafella weren't major players on a national level til a awkward space was created due to the deaths of Biggie and Pac. Check the stats. Jay-Z wasn't a factor til around "Feeling It", "Hardknock Life", and "Can I Get A". And look at the dates those came out.

I'm not understanding where you're going with the post. Hard Knock Life was his biggest hit in 98, but you act as if only Biggie and Pac were making hits. Which is a lot of revisionist history and completely false.

Okay.

Show me a Jay-Z song that got spins across the country while 2Pac was alive.

He died in 96 and Jay Z's debut album was in 96 and his album went gold. Also "Ain't No Nigga" got plenty spins and it wasn't only the single off of Jay's album it was one of the singles off the Nutty Professor soundtrack. Was he a huge star then? No. But he wasn't a complete nobody like some of you are trying to portray. I didn't start listening/following Hip Hop in the early 2000s bruh. Alot of the shit being posted in here his revisionist history skewed facts.

False bro

Mobb Deep had more clout than J

Nas had more clout than J

Method Man had more clout than J

Hell even ODB had more clout than J

I wouldn't go as far as to say he was a nobody, but if it wasn't for living in the east coast media capital, he wouldn't have been much of a factor to the genre in the mid 90's. Pac didn't even go ham on Jay-Z that much besides a basic "Fuck Jay-Z" and a Hawaii Sophie reference. Da Brat and Lil Kim took harder shots from Pac during that time. It took Reasonable Doubt six years to go platinum. That's 2002. That's when Rocafella as a whole was running the game. That's right when he really started becoming "Jigga that nigga". No diss or discredit, but Reasonable Doubt was a regional classic until Jay-Z really got popping and his new fans wanted to go back to his roots.

Umm, I'm not sure where your going with this post. You asked me to tell you a song that got spins while Pac was alive and I gave you one. I already said Jay Z wasn't as big as the other acts and that he wasn't a relatively unknown either. 2002 may have been a peek year for The Roc, but it damn sure wasn't a peek year for Jay as an artist. His peak year was 98 when Hard Knock Life sold 5 million. He hasn't eclisped that mark yet. Also Vol. 1 went platium, so that represents a growth from in fanbase from 96 to 97. I also said Reasonable Doubt only went gold, I'm not sure why you brought up the fact it took six years to go platinum.

Let's stay on topic here. When Pac was alive, Hov only had Reasonable Doubt to his resume. By the end of 96, RD did 420,000 units sold. Pac dropped All Eyez On Me. A number 1 album which contained 2 number 1 records in "How Do You Want It" & "California Love". He also dropped 7 Day Theory. Another number 1 album that knocked The Beatles out of the top spot. The fucking Beatles. 664,000 units in the first week, this is 96 we're talking about. Not the ringtone era when platinum was the standards.

So we know for sure Jay-Z wasn't even on Pac level in 96. Now The Fugees also dropped a number 1 album in 96. It only took them one year to drop 6 million records. Nas dropped "It was written in 96. 268,000 first week. 2million fans purchased it that year. Now heres one I take personal pride in. E-40 dropped "The Hall Of Game" in 96 and peaked at number 2 on the hip hop/rap charts. E-40 was even hitting higher chart numbers in 96 and that's coming out of a small market area, Jive was decent but it wasn't a Def Jam. And it was technically a independent album with Jive distributing the album. I maybe biased towards that because I'm from the bay and my dad purchased that album and banged it everyday. Radio also played "Players Ball" religously. Outlast dropped ATLiens that year too and debuted at 2 on Billboards top 200. Bro Jay-Z was a little fish in the pond that year. I can almost promise you he wasn't that known outside of the tristate area. But with the support of the tristate area, the DMV, area, and the Philly area you can drop a album and do a Lil work.

What's your point?

2Pac peaked before Jay Z. Everybody knows that.

But when you compare both of their careers when they were at their peak, they're about even. The only difference is that Jay lived to appreciate his success.

Uh no. Jay was blessed to live in the bling bling era. Project Pat did numbers. Chingy did numbers. Nelly did numbers. Souljah Boy did numbers. When the bling bling and ringtone rap eras started to reside, so did Hov. From Kingdom Come, to BP3, and MCHG.

Are you saying that Jay Z's popularity dropped?

Because Jay Z still does stadium tours and 2Pac doesn't do anything.

 

[Turfaholic]

I just wanna say.....

I didn't know who Jay-Z was til Hardknock Life

Your most likely not in an area important to hip hop then

False we got BET and MTV just like everybody else. Gasp even radio too. I think I can speak for almost everybody on the westcoast when I say Jay-Z was pretty unknown til he went pop with Hardknock Life.

Bet mtv and radio are the absolute last channel that hip hop reaches you serious, he said bet and mtv lol, you wasn't into rap then bc in 96, can't knock the hustle video was running in every station, In 97, when that movie sprung dropped (movie did well) who had the the soundtrack song ? That video was playin enough for u to catch it. And in New York (the biggest part of hip hop) jay was getting love and it wasn't like now , you actually use to have to work your way up smh

Jay-Z and Rocafella weren't major players on a national level til a awkward space was created due to the deaths of Biggie and Pac. Check the stats. Jay-Z wasn't a factor til around "Feeling It", "Hardknock Life", and "Can I Get A". And look at the dates those came out.

I'm not understanding where you're going with the post. Hard Knock Life was his biggest hit in 98, but you act as if only Biggie and Pac were making hits. Which is a lot of revisionist history and completely false.

Okay.

Show me a Jay-Z song that got spins across the country while 2Pac was alive.

He died in 96 and Jay Z's debut album was in 96 and his album went gold. Also "Ain't No Nigga" got plenty spins and it wasn't only the single off of Jay's album it was one of the singles off the Nutty Professor soundtrack. Was he a huge star then? No. But he wasn't a complete nobody like some of you are trying to portray. I didn't start listening/following Hip Hop in the early 2000s bruh. Alot of the shit being posted in here his revisionist history skewed facts.

False bro

Mobb Deep had more clout than J

Nas had more clout than J

Method Man had more clout than J

Hell even ODB had more clout than J

I wouldn't go as far as to say he was a nobody, but if it wasn't for living in the east coast media capital, he wouldn't have been much of a factor to the genre in the mid 90's. Pac didn't even go ham on Jay-Z that much besides a basic "Fuck Jay-Z" and a Hawaii Sophie reference. Da Brat and Lil Kim took harder shots from Pac during that time. It took Reasonable Doubt six years to go platinum. That's 2002. That's when Rocafella as a whole was running the game. That's right when he really started becoming "Jigga that nigga". No diss or discredit, but Reasonable Doubt was a regional classic until Jay-Z really got popping and his new fans wanted to go back to his roots.

Umm, I'm not sure where your going with this post. You asked me to tell you a song that got spins while Pac was alive and I gave you one. I already said Jay Z wasn't as big as the other acts and that he wasn't a relatively unknown either. 2002 may have been a peek year for The Roc, but it damn sure wasn't a peek year for Jay as an artist. His peak year was 98 when Hard Knock Life sold 5 million. He hasn't eclisped that mark yet. Also Vol. 1 went platium, so that represents a growth from in fanbase from 96 to 97. I also said Reasonable Doubt only went gold, I'm not sure why you brought up the fact it took six years to go platinum.

Let's stay on topic here. When Pac was alive, Hov only had Reasonable Doubt to his resume. By the end of 96, RD did 420,000 units sold. Pac dropped All Eyez On Me. A number 1 album which contained 2 number 1 records in "How Do You Want It" & "California Love". He also dropped 7 Day Theory. Another number 1 album that knocked The Beatles out of the top spot. The fucking Beatles. 664,000 units in the first week, this is 96 we're talking about. Not the ringtone era when platinum was the standards.

So we know for sure Jay-Z wasn't even on Pac level in 96. Now The Fugees also dropped a number 1 album in 96. It only took them one year to drop 6 million records. Nas dropped "It was written in 96. 268,000 first week. 2million fans purchased it that year. Now heres one I take personal pride in. E-40 dropped "The Hall Of Game" in 96 and peaked at number 2 on the hip hop/rap charts. E-40 was even hitting higher chart numbers in 96 and that's coming out of a small market area, Jive was decent but it wasn't a Def Jam. And it was technically a independent album with Jive distributing the album. I maybe biased towards that because I'm from the bay and my dad purchased that album and banged it everyday. Radio also played "Players Ball" religously. Outlast dropped ATLiens that year too and debuted at 2 on Billboards top 200. Bro Jay-Z was a little fish in the pond that year. I can almost promise you he wasn't that known outside of the tristate area. But with the support of the tristate area, the DMV, area, and the Philly area you can drop a album and do a Lil work.

What's your point?

2Pac peaked before Jay Z. Everybody knows that.

But when you compare both of their careers when they were at their peak, they're about even. The only difference is that Jay lived to appreciate his success.

Uh no. Jay was blessed to live in the bling bling era. Project Pat did numbers. Chingy did numbers. Nelly did numbers. Souljah Boy did numbers. When the bling bling and ringtone rap eras started to reside, so did Hov. From Kingdom Come, to BP3, and MCHG.

Are you saying that Jay Z's popularity dropped?

Because Jay Z still does stadium tours and 2Pac doesn't do anything.

Lol bro Pac hologram built more buzz than anything Jay-Z has done WITHOUT Beyonce.

Is that a world tour? Or is that your girls tour?

 

[Turfaholic]

Lol I guess 2pac ashes supposed to reanimate and drop a track with Future for niggas to accept defeat.

 

[themadlionsfan]

I just wanna say.....

I didn't know who Jay-Z was til Hardknock Life

Your most likely not in an area important to hip hop then

False we got BET and MTV just like everybody else. Gasp even radio too. I think I can speak for almost everybody on the westcoast when I say Jay-Z was pretty unknown til he went pop with Hardknock Life.

Bet mtv and radio are the absolute last channel that hip hop reaches you serious, he said bet and mtv lol, you wasn't into rap then bc in 96, can't knock the hustle video was running in every station, In 97, when that movie sprung dropped (movie did well) who had the the soundtrack song ? That video was playin enough for u to catch it. And in New York (the biggest part of hip hop) jay was getting love and it wasn't like now , you actually use to have to work your way up smh

Jay-Z and Rocafella weren't major players on a national level til a awkward space was created due to the deaths of Biggie and Pac. Check the stats. Jay-Z wasn't a factor til around "Feeling It", "Hardknock Life", and "Can I Get A". And look at the dates those came out.

I'm not understanding where you're going with the post. Hard Knock Life was his biggest hit in 98, but you act as if only Biggie and Pac were making hits. Which is a lot of revisionist history and completely false.

Okay.

Show me a Jay-Z song that got spins across the country while 2Pac was alive.

He died in 96 and Jay Z's debut album was in 96 and his album went gold. Also "Ain't No Nigga" got plenty spins and it wasn't only the single off of Jay's album it was one of the singles off the Nutty Professor soundtrack. Was he a huge star then? No. But he wasn't a complete nobody like some of you are trying to portray. I didn't start listening/following Hip Hop in the early 2000s bruh. Alot of the shit being posted in here his revisionist history skewed facts.

False bro

Mobb Deep had more clout than J

Nas had more clout than J

Method Man had more clout than J

Hell even ODB had more clout than J

I wouldn't go as far as to say he was a nobody, but if it wasn't for living in the east coast media capital, he wouldn't have been much of a factor to the genre in the mid 90's. Pac didn't even go ham on Jay-Z that much besides a basic "Fuck Jay-Z" and a Hawaii Sophie reference. Da Brat and Lil Kim took harder shots from Pac during that time. It took Reasonable Doubt six years to go platinum. That's 2002. That's when Rocafella as a whole was running the game. That's right when he really started becoming "Jigga that nigga". No diss or discredit, but Reasonable Doubt was a regional classic until Jay-Z really got popping and his new fans wanted to go back to his roots.

Umm, I'm not sure where your going with this post. You asked me to tell you a song that got spins while Pac was alive and I gave you one. I already said Jay Z wasn't as big as the other acts and that he wasn't a relatively unknown either. 2002 may have been a peek year for The Roc, but it damn sure wasn't a peek year for Jay as an artist. His peak year was 98 when Hard Knock Life sold 5 million. He hasn't eclisped that mark yet. Also Vol. 1 went platium, so that represents a growth from in fanbase from 96 to 97. I also said Reasonable Doubt only went gold, I'm not sure why you brought up the fact it took six years to go platinum.

Let's stay on topic here. When Pac was alive, Hov only had Reasonable Doubt to his resume. By the end of 96, RD did 420,000 units sold. Pac dropped All Eyez On Me. A number 1 album which contained 2 number 1 records in "How Do You Want It" & "California Love". He also dropped 7 Day Theory. Another number 1 album that knocked The Beatles out of the top spot. The fucking Beatles. 664,000 units in the first week, this is 96 we're talking about. Not the ringtone era when platinum was the standards.

So we know for sure Jay-Z wasn't even on Pac level in 96. Now The Fugees also dropped a number 1 album in 96. It only took them one year to drop 6 million records. Nas dropped "It was written in 96. 268,000 first week. 2million fans purchased it that year. Now heres one I take personal pride in. E-40 dropped "The Hall Of Game" in 96 and peaked at number 2 on the hip hop/rap charts. E-40 was even hitting higher chart numbers in 96 and that's coming out of a small market area, Jive was decent but it wasn't a Def Jam. And it was technically a independent album with Jive distributing the album. I maybe biased towards that because I'm from the bay and my dad purchased that album and banged it everyday. Radio also played "Players Ball" religously. Outlast dropped ATLiens that year too and debuted at 2 on Billboards top 200. Bro Jay-Z was a little fish in the pond that year. I can almost promise you he wasn't that known outside of the tristate area. But with the support of the tristate area, the DMV, area, and the Philly area you can drop a album and do a Lil work.

What was the point of all this?

Simply enough, Jay-Z wasn't shit til the south got hot

OK, so when the attention of Hip Hop collectively shifts from the east coast to down south, an east coast artist becomes one of the most recognizable, commercially successful artists in Hip Hop during an era of down south dominance and that somehow is supposed to be detrimental to Jay Z? OK bro.

I know I should have stayed my ass in the cheap seats.

 

[gemini86]

I just wanna say.....

I didn't know who Jay-Z was til Hardknock Life

Your most likely not in an area important to hip hop then

False we got BET and MTV just like everybody else. Gasp even radio too. I think I can speak for almost everybody on the westcoast when I say Jay-Z was pretty unknown til he went pop with Hardknock Life.

Bet mtv and radio are the absolute last channel that hip hop reaches you serious, he said bet and mtv lol, you wasn't into rap then bc in 96, can't knock the hustle video was running in every station, In 97, when that movie sprung dropped (movie did well) who had the the soundtrack song ? That video was playin enough for u to catch it. And in New York (the biggest part of hip hop) jay was getting love and it wasn't like now , you actually use to have to work your way up smh

Jay-Z and Rocafella weren't major players on a national level til a awkward space was created due to the deaths of Biggie and Pac. Check the stats. Jay-Z wasn't a factor til around "Feeling It", "Hardknock Life", and "Can I Get A". And look at the dates those came out.

I'm not understanding where you're going with the post. Hard Knock Life was his biggest hit in 98, but you act as if only Biggie and Pac were making hits. Which is a lot of revisionist history and completely false.

Okay.

Show me a Jay-Z song that got spins across the country while 2Pac was alive.

He died in 96 and Jay Z's debut album was in 96 and his album went gold. Also "Ain't No Nigga" got plenty spins and it wasn't only the single off of Jay's album it was one of the singles off the Nutty Professor soundtrack. Was he a huge star then? No. But he wasn't a complete nobody like some of you are trying to portray. I didn't start listening/following Hip Hop in the early 2000s bruh. Alot of the shit being posted in here his revisionist history skewed facts.

False bro

Mobb Deep had more clout than J

Nas had more clout than J

Method Man had more clout than J

Hell even ODB had more clout than J

I wouldn't go as far as to say he was a nobody, but if it wasn't for living in the east coast media capital, he wouldn't have been much of a factor to the genre in the mid 90's. Pac didn't even go ham on Jay-Z that much besides a basic "Fuck Jay-Z" and a Hawaii Sophie reference. Da Brat and Lil Kim took harder shots from Pac during that time. It took Reasonable Doubt six years to go platinum. That's 2002. That's when Rocafella as a whole was running the game. That's right when he really started becoming "Jigga that nigga". No diss or discredit, but Reasonable Doubt was a regional classic until Jay-Z really got popping and his new fans wanted to go back to his roots.

Umm, I'm not sure where your going with this post. You asked me to tell you a song that got spins while Pac was alive and I gave you one. I already said Jay Z wasn't as big as the other acts and that he wasn't a relatively unknown either. 2002 may have been a peek year for The Roc, but it damn sure wasn't a peek year for Jay as an artist. His peak year was 98 when Hard Knock Life sold 5 million. He hasn't eclisped that mark yet. Also Vol. 1 went platium, so that represents a growth from in fanbase from 96 to 97. I also said Reasonable Doubt only went gold, I'm not sure why you brought up the fact it took six years to go platinum.

Let's stay on topic here. When Pac was alive, Hov only had Reasonable Doubt to his resume. By the end of 96, RD did 420,000 units sold. Pac dropped All Eyez On Me. A number 1 album which contained 2 number 1 records in "How Do You Want It" & "California Love". He also dropped 7 Day Theory. Another number 1 album that knocked The Beatles out of the top spot. The fucking Beatles. 664,000 units in the first week, this is 96 we're talking about. Not the ringtone era when platinum was the standards.

So we know for sure Jay-Z wasn't even on Pac level in 96. Now The Fugees also dropped a number 1 album in 96. It only took them one year to drop 6 million records. Nas dropped "It was written in 96. 268,000 first week. 2million fans purchased it that year. Now heres one I take personal pride in. E-40 dropped "The Hall Of Game" in 96 and peaked at number 2 on the hip hop/rap charts. E-40 was even hitting higher chart numbers in 96 and that's coming out of a small market area, Jive was decent but it wasn't a Def Jam. And it was technically a independent album with Jive distributing the album. I maybe biased towards that because I'm from the bay and my dad purchased that album and banged it everyday. Radio also played "Players Ball" religously. Outlast dropped ATLiens that year too and debuted at 2 on Billboards top 200. Bro Jay-Z was a little fish in the pond that year. I can almost promise you he wasn't that known outside of the tristate area. But with the support of the tristate area, the DMV, area, and the Philly area you can drop a album and do a Lil work.

What was the point of all this?

Simply enough, Jay-Z wasn't shit til the south got hot

OK, so when the attention of Hip Hop collectively shifts from the east coast to down south, an east coast artist becomes one of the most recognizable, commercially successful artists in Hip Hop during an era of down south dominance and that somehow is supposed to be detrimental to Jay Z? OK bro.

I know I should have stayed my ass in the cheap seats.

no jay just rides the waves of other peoples buzz. he has done this his whole career. and hes even doing it with beyonce now. jay has never had his own wave. he always had biggie, dmx, ruff ryders, lil wayne, drake, rick ross, and etc.... no hate but its true

 

[gemini86]

oh and kanye too lol

 

[Turfaholic]

I just wanna say.....

I didn't know who Jay-Z was til Hardknock Life

Your most likely not in an area important to hip hop then

False we got BET and MTV just like everybody else. Gasp even radio too. I think I can speak for almost everybody on the westcoast when I say Jay-Z was pretty unknown til he went pop with Hardknock Life.

Bet mtv and radio are the absolute last channel that hip hop reaches you serious, he said bet and mtv lol, you wasn't into rap then bc in 96, can't knock the hustle video was running in every station, In 97, when that movie sprung dropped (movie did well) who had the the soundtrack song ? That video was playin enough for u to catch it. And in New York (the biggest part of hip hop) jay was getting love and it wasn't like now , you actually use to have to work your way up smh

Jay-Z and Rocafella weren't major players on a national level til a awkward space was created due to the deaths of Biggie and Pac. Check the stats. Jay-Z wasn't a factor til around "Feeling It", "Hardknock Life", and "Can I Get A". And look at the dates those came out.

I'm not understanding where you're going with the post. Hard Knock Life was his biggest hit in 98, but you act as if only Biggie and Pac were making hits. Which is a lot of revisionist history and completely false.

Okay.

Show me a Jay-Z song that got spins across the country while 2Pac was alive.

He died in 96 and Jay Z's debut album was in 96 and his album went gold. Also "Ain't No Nigga" got plenty spins and it wasn't only the single off of Jay's album it was one of the singles off the Nutty Professor soundtrack. Was he a huge star then? No. But he wasn't a complete nobody like some of you are trying to portray. I didn't start listening/following Hip Hop in the early 2000s bruh. Alot of the shit being posted in here his revisionist history skewed facts.

False bro

Mobb Deep had more clout than J

Nas had more clout than J

Method Man had more clout than J

Hell even ODB had more clout than J

I wouldn't go as far as to say he was a nobody, but if it wasn't for living in the east coast media capital, he wouldn't have been much of a factor to the genre in the mid 90's. Pac didn't even go ham on Jay-Z that much besides a basic "Fuck Jay-Z" and a Hawaii Sophie reference. Da Brat and Lil Kim took harder shots from Pac during that time. It took Reasonable Doubt six years to go platinum. That's 2002. That's when Rocafella as a whole was running the game. That's right when he really started becoming "Jigga that nigga". No diss or discredit, but Reasonable Doubt was a regional classic until Jay-Z really got popping and his new fans wanted to go back to his roots.

Umm, I'm not sure where your going with this post. You asked me to tell you a song that got spins while Pac was alive and I gave you one. I already said Jay Z wasn't as big as the other acts and that he wasn't a relatively unknown either. 2002 may have been a peek year for The Roc, but it damn sure wasn't a peek year for Jay as an artist. His peak year was 98 when Hard Knock Life sold 5 million. He hasn't eclisped that mark yet. Also Vol. 1 went platium, so that represents a growth from in fanbase from 96 to 97. I also said Reasonable Doubt only went gold, I'm not sure why you brought up the fact it took six years to go platinum.

Let's stay on topic here. When Pac was alive, Hov only had Reasonable Doubt to his resume. By the end of 96, RD did 420,000 units sold. Pac dropped All Eyez On Me. A number 1 album which contained 2 number 1 records in "How Do You Want It" & "California Love". He also dropped 7 Day Theory. Another number 1 album that knocked The Beatles out of the top spot. The fucking Beatles. 664,000 units in the first week, this is 96 we're talking about. Not the ringtone era when platinum was the standards.

So we know for sure Jay-Z wasn't even on Pac level in 96. Now The Fugees also dropped a number 1 album in 96. It only took them one year to drop 6 million records. Nas dropped "It was written in 96. 268,000 first week. 2million fans purchased it that year. Now heres one I take personal pride in. E-40 dropped "The Hall Of Game" in 96 and peaked at number 2 on the hip hop/rap charts. E-40 was even hitting higher chart numbers in 96 and that's coming out of a small market area, Jive was decent but it wasn't a Def Jam. And it was technically a independent album with Jive distributing the album. I maybe biased towards that because I'm from the bay and my dad purchased that album and banged it everyday. Radio also played "Players Ball" religously. Outlast dropped ATLiens that year too and debuted at 2 on Billboards top 200. Bro Jay-Z was a little fish in the pond that year. I can almost promise you he wasn't that known outside of the tristate area. But with the support of the tristate area, the DMV, area, and the Philly area you can drop a album and do a Lil work.

What was the point of all this?

Simply enough, Jay-Z wasn't shit til the south got hot

OK, so when the attention of Hip Hop collectively shifts from the east coast to down south, an east coast artist becomes one of the most recognizable, commercially successful artists in Hip Hop during an era of down south dominance and that somehow is supposed to be detrimental to Jay Z? OK bro.

I know I should have stayed my ass in the cheap seats.

Bro when the East/ West died with Pacs death the East wasn't on top. Niggas was not making music that people out the tristate, Philly, DMV, and partially North Carolina was bumping. Minus Bad Boy and Diddy. No diss to the south but Jay stated himself he dumbed down his music for sales. He got off being lyrical and hopped in Porsches with Jermaine Dupri. And got on his money cash hoes shit. And this pretty much stands by my very original statement. I didn't know Jay-Z till he switched up his flow and beat selection and dropped Hardknock Life.

 

[5 Grand]

I just wanna say.....

I didn't know who Jay-Z was til Hardknock Life

Your most likely not in an area important to hip hop then

False we got BET and MTV just like everybody else. Gasp even radio too. I think I can speak for almost everybody on the westcoast when I say Jay-Z was pretty unknown til he went pop with Hardknock Life.

Bet mtv and radio are the absolute last channel that hip hop reaches you serious, he said bet and mtv lol, you wasn't into rap then bc in 96, can't knock the hustle video was running in every station, In 97, when that movie sprung dropped (movie did well) who had the the soundtrack song ? That video was playin enough for u to catch it. And in New York (the biggest part of hip hop) jay was getting love and it wasn't like now , you actually use to have to work your way up smh

Jay-Z and Rocafella weren't major players on a national level til a awkward space was created due to the deaths of Biggie and Pac. Check the stats. Jay-Z wasn't a factor til around "Feeling It", "Hardknock Life", and "Can I Get A". And look at the dates those came out.

I'm not understanding where you're going with the post. Hard Knock Life was his biggest hit in 98, but you act as if only Biggie and Pac were making hits. Which is a lot of revisionist history and completely false.

Okay.

Show me a Jay-Z song that got spins across the country while 2Pac was alive.

He died in 96 and Jay Z's debut album was in 96 and his album went gold. Also "Ain't No Nigga" got plenty spins and it wasn't only the single off of Jay's album it was one of the singles off the Nutty Professor soundtrack. Was he a huge star then? No. But he wasn't a complete nobody like some of you are trying to portray. I didn't start listening/following Hip Hop in the early 2000s bruh. Alot of the shit being posted in here his revisionist history skewed facts.

False bro

Mobb Deep had more clout than J

Nas had more clout than J

Method Man had more clout than J

Hell even ODB had more clout than J

I wouldn't go as far as to say he was a nobody, but if it wasn't for living in the east coast media capital, he wouldn't have been much of a factor to the genre in the mid 90's. Pac didn't even go ham on Jay-Z that much besides a basic "Fuck Jay-Z" and a Hawaii Sophie reference. Da Brat and Lil Kim took harder shots from Pac during that time. It took Reasonable Doubt six years to go platinum. That's 2002. That's when Rocafella as a whole was running the game. That's right when he really started becoming "Jigga that nigga". No diss or discredit, but Reasonable Doubt was a regional classic until Jay-Z really got popping and his new fans wanted to go back to his roots.

Umm, I'm not sure where your going with this post. You asked me to tell you a song that got spins while Pac was alive and I gave you one. I already said Jay Z wasn't as big as the other acts and that he wasn't a relatively unknown either. 2002 may have been a peek year for The Roc, but it damn sure wasn't a peek year for Jay as an artist. His peak year was 98 when Hard Knock Life sold 5 million. He hasn't eclisped that mark yet. Also Vol. 1 went platium, so that represents a growth from in fanbase from 96 to 97. I also said Reasonable Doubt only went gold, I'm not sure why you brought up the fact it took six years to go platinum.

Let's stay on topic here. When Pac was alive, Hov only had Reasonable Doubt to his resume. By the end of 96, RD did 420,000 units sold. Pac dropped All Eyez On Me. A number 1 album which contained 2 number 1 records in "How Do You Want It" & "California Love". He also dropped 7 Day Theory. Another number 1 album that knocked The Beatles out of the top spot. The fucking Beatles. 664,000 units in the first week, this is 96 we're talking about. Not the ringtone era when platinum was the standards.

So we know for sure Jay-Z wasn't even on Pac level in 96. Now The Fugees also dropped a number 1 album in 96. It only took them one year to drop 6 million records. Nas dropped "It was written in 96. 268,000 first week. 2million fans purchased it that year. Now heres one I take personal pride in. E-40 dropped "The Hall Of Game" in 96 and peaked at number 2 on the hip hop/rap charts. E-40 was even hitting higher chart numbers in 96 and that's coming out of a small market area, Jive was decent but it wasn't a Def Jam. And it was technically a independent album with Jive distributing the album. I maybe biased towards that because I'm from the bay and my dad purchased that album and banged it everyday. Radio also played "Players Ball" religously. Outlast dropped ATLiens that year too and debuted at 2 on Billboards top 200. Bro Jay-Z was a little fish in the pond that year. I can almost promise you he wasn't that known outside of the tristate area. But with the support of the tristate area, the DMV, area, and the Philly area you can drop a album and do a Lil work.

What was the point of all this?

Simply enough, Jay-Z wasn't shit til the south got hot

OK, so when the attention of Hip Hop collectively shifts from the east coast to down south, an east coast artist becomes one of the most recognizable, commercially successful artists in Hip Hop during an era of down south dominance and that somehow is supposed to be detrimental to Jay Z? OK bro.

I know I should have stayed my ass in the cheap seats.

Bro when the East/ West died with Pacs death the East wasn't on top. Niggas was not making music that people out the tristate, Philly, DMV, and partially North Carolina was bumping. Minus Bad Boy and Diddy. No diss to the south but Jay stated himself he dumbed down his music for sales. He got off being lyrical and hopped in Porsches with Jermaine Dupri. And got on his money cash hoes shit. And this pretty much stands by my very original statement. I didn't know Jay-Z till he switched up his flow and beat selection and dropped Hardknock Life.

Why don't Bad Boy and Diddy count?

According to the RIAA, in 1997, Bad Boy sold over 30 million records in the U.S. alone;

Can’t Nobody Hold Me Down (single) – Puff Daddy & Ma$e 4X Platinum

Hypnotize (single) – Notorious B.I.G. – Platinum

I’ll Be Missing You (single) – Puff Daddy & The Family – 3X Platinum

Its All About The Benjamins (single) – Puff Daddy & The Family - Platinum

Been Around The World (single) – Puff Daddy & The Family– 2X Platinum

Life After Death (album) – Notorious B.I.G. 10X Platinum

No Way Out (album) – Puff Daddy & The Family – 7X Platinum

Harlem World (album) – Ma$e – 4X Platinum

Can we all agree that its complete bullshit to say, "when the East/ West died with Pacs death the East wasn't on top. Niggas was not making music that people out the tristate, Philly, DMV, and partially North Carolina was bumping"

Bad Boy had the most successful year in the history of Hip Hop. I doubt if any label sold that many records in one year. Without doing a google search, I doubt neither Death Row or No Limit ever sold that many records in one year.

 

[nycest_1]

Revisionist history like a muthafucka SMMFH. First off Jay-Z was NOT a big artist in 96, he was lower tier at that point. He could have dropped a diss and it would have fallen on deaf ears behind the Chino XL, Lil Kim, Mobb Deep, Ryan G, and other wack ass disses (shoot me Jayhova Witnesses, yall prolly wasn't even old enough to know what was going on at the time Pac was HUGE). Jay couldn't even kill NaS' career on wax so FOH about him killing Pac's career.

Lol cuz pac isn't nearly as gifted lyrically as Nas lol