Jay-Z Almost Ended 2 pac's Career: DJ Clark Kent Reveals Jay-Z Recorded A 2Pac Diss

[gemini86]

east coast music didnt die til after the 50cent era. he was the last big artist from new york

 

[5 Grand]

east coast music didnt die til after the 50cent era. he was the last big artist from new york

That sounds about right

 

[gemini86]

after the 50cent thing, Game literally had the west poppin for a couple of months but he killed his own damn self by being game. then lil wayne, khaled and them other south niggas started making noise. new york aint been the same since. i fuckin cant stand Maino and them other dudes musically. Asap rocky is cool. hes from around my area. We all talkin shit about regions when the main nigga in hiphop is a canadian smh

 

[5 Grand]

after the 50cent thing, Game literally had the west poppin for a couple of months but he killed his own damn self by being game. then lil wayne, khaled and them other south niggas started making noise. new york aint been the same since. i fuckin cant stand Maino and them other dudes musically. Asap rocky is cool. hes from around my area. We all talkin shit about regions when the main nigga in hiphop is a canadian smh

Its true that NYC fell off after 2005, but they had a good 30 year run as the Mecca of Hip Hop. The only years I'd say the West Coast was on top was 92 and 93 (Chronic and Doggystyle).

 

[Splackavelli]

Revisionist history like a muthafucka SMMFH. First off Jay-Z was NOT a big artist in 96, he was lower tier at that point. He could have dropped a diss and it would have fallen on deaf ears behind the Chino XL, Lil Kim, Mobb Deep, Ryan G, and other wack ass disses (shoot me Jayhova Witnesses, yall prolly wasn't even old enough to know what was going on at the time Pac was HUGE). Jay couldn't even kill NaS' career on wax so FOH about him killing Pac's career.

you right I was in my senior year it was around September 95 the first time I saw the dead presidents video on bet. summer or sept 96 around the time the nutty professor was in the theaters I remember he was on the soul train awards with foxy brown on the stage performing "aint nobody" because that song was on the soundtrack . when he came out to do his lines no girls was screaming for him nobody knew who he was . between all that time he generated no kind of buzz. he looked young too back then I thought he was my age I didn't know he was almost 10 years older than me.

 

[Splackavelli]

But this shows me either pac didn't have long left at the top of the rap game when he died or New York rap was going to be restricted to like 3 artist because if pac stays alive a couple more weeks, he would have jayz and prodigy tearin him a new one on record and nyc in support of it. Pac would have to do more than hit em up to sustain that.

shut up wigga!

 

[_God_]

It's hilarious niggas hate nyc so much go there on vacation and love it and act like they equal all of a sudden

 

[hiphop12345]

I just wanna say.....

I didn't know who Jay-Z was til Hardknock Life

Your most likely not in an area important to hip hop then

False we got BET and MTV just like everybody else. Gasp even radio too. I think I can speak for almost everybody on the westcoast when I say Jay-Z was pretty unknown til he went pop with Hardknock Life.

Bet mtv and radio are the absolute last channel that hip hop reaches you serious, he said bet and mtv lol, you wasn't into rap then bc in 96, can't knock the hustle video was running in every station, In 97, when that movie sprung dropped (movie did well) who had the the soundtrack song ? That video was playin enough for u to catch it. And in New York (the biggest part of hip hop) jay was getting love and it wasn't like now , you actually use to have to work your way up smh

Jay-Z and Rocafella weren't major players on a national level til a awkward space was created due to the deaths of Biggie and Pac. Check the stats. Jay-Z wasn't a factor til around "Feeling It", "Hardknock Life", and "Can I Get A". And look at the dates those came out.

I'm not understanding where you're going with the post. Hard Knock Life was his biggest hit in 98, but you act as if only Biggie and Pac were making hits. Which is a lot of revisionist history and completely false.

Okay.

Show me a Jay-Z song that got spins across the country while 2Pac was alive.

He died in 96 and Jay Z's debut album was in 96 and his album went gold. Also "Ain't No Nigga" got plenty spins and it wasn't only the single off of Jay's album it was one of the singles off the Nutty Professor soundtrack. Was he a huge star then? No. But he wasn't a complete nobody like some of you are trying to portray. I didn't start listening/following Hip Hop in the early 2000s bruh. Alot of the shit being posted in here his revisionist history skewed facts.

False bro

Mobb Deep had more clout than J

Nas had more clout than J

Method Man had more clout than J

Hell even ODB had more clout than J

I wouldn't go as far as to say he was a nobody, but if it wasn't for living in the east coast media capital, he wouldn't have been much of a factor to the genre in the mid 90's. Pac didn't even go ham on Jay-Z that much besides a basic "Fuck Jay-Z" and a Hawaii Sophie reference. Da Brat and Lil Kim took harder shots from Pac during that time. It took Reasonable Doubt six years to go platinum. That's 2002. That's when Rocafella as a whole was running the game. That's right when he really started becoming "Jigga that nigga". No diss or discredit, but Reasonable Doubt was a regional classic until Jay-Z really got popping and his new fans wanted to go back to his roots.

Umm, I'm not sure where your going with this post. You asked me to tell you a song that got spins while Pac was alive and I gave you one. I already said Jay Z wasn't as big as the other acts and that he wasn't a relatively unknown either. 2002 may have been a peek year for The Roc, but it damn sure wasn't a peek year for Jay as an artist. His peak year was 98 when Hard Knock Life sold 5 million. He hasn't eclisped that mark yet. Also Vol. 1 went platium, so that represents a growth from in fanbase from 96 to 97. I also said Reasonable Doubt only went gold, I'm not sure why you brought up the fact it took six years to go platinum.

Let's stay on topic here. When Pac was alive, Hov only had Reasonable Doubt to his resume. By the end of 96, RD did 420,000 units sold. Pac dropped All Eyez On Me. A number 1 album which contained 2 number 1 records in "How Do You Want It" & "California Love". He also dropped 7 Day Theory. Another number 1 album that knocked The Beatles out of the top spot. The fucking Beatles. 664,000 units in the first week, this is 96 we're talking about. Not the ringtone era when platinum was the standards.

So we know for sure Jay-Z wasn't even on Pac level in 96. Now The Fugees also dropped a number 1 album in 96. It only took them one year to drop 6 million records. Nas dropped "It was written in 96. 268,000 first week. 2million fans purchased it that year. Now heres one I take personal pride in. E-40 dropped "The Hall Of Game" in 96 and peaked at number 2 on the hip hop/rap charts. E-40 was even hitting higher chart numbers in 96 and that's coming out of a small market area, Jive was decent but it wasn't a Def Jam. And it was technically a independent album with Jive distributing the album. I maybe biased towards that because I'm from the bay and my dad purchased that album and banged it everyday. Radio also played "Players Ball" religously. Outlast dropped ATLiens that year too and debuted at 2 on Billboards top 200. Bro Jay-Z was a little fish in the pond that year. I can almost promise you he wasn't that known outside of the tristate area. But with the support of the tristate area, the DMV, area, and the Philly area you can drop a album and do a Lil work.

What was the point of all this?

Simply enough, Jay-Z wasn't shit til the south got hot

OK, so when the attention of Hip Hop collectively shifts from the east coast to down south, an east coast artist becomes one of the most recognizable, commercially successful artists in Hip Hop during an era of down south dominance and that somehow is supposed to be detrimental to Jay Z? OK bro.

I know I should have stayed my ass in the cheap seats.

Bro when the East/ West died with Pacs death the East wasn't on top. Niggas was not making music that people out the tristate, Philly, DMV, and partially North Carolina was bumping. Minus Bad Boy and Diddy. No diss to the south but Jay stated himself he dumbed down his music for sales. He got off being lyrical and hopped in Porsches with Jermaine Dupri. And got on his money cash hoes shit. And this pretty much stands by my very original statement. I didn't know Jay-Z till he switched up his flow and beat selection and dropped Hardknock Life.

Why don't Bad Boy and Diddy count?

According to the RIAA, in 1997, Bad Boy sold over 30 million records in the U.S. alone;

Can’t Nobody Hold Me Down (single) – Puff Daddy & Ma$e 4X Platinum

Hypnotize (single) – Notorious B.I.G. – Platinum

I’ll Be Missing You (single) – Puff Daddy & The Family – 3X Platinum

Its All About The Benjamins (single) – Puff Daddy & The Family - Platinum

Been Around The World (single) – Puff Daddy & The Family– 2X Platinum

Life After Death (album) – Notorious B.I.G. 10X Platinum

No Way Out (album) – Puff Daddy & The Family – 7X Platinum

Harlem World (album) – Ma$e – 4X Platinum

Can we all agree that its complete bullshit to say, "when the East/ West died with Pacs death the East wasn't on top. Niggas was not making music that people out the tristate, Philly, DMV, and partially North Carolina was bumping"

Bad Boy had the most successful year in the history of Hip Hop. I doubt if any label sold that many records in one year. Without doing a google search, I doubt neither Death Row or No Limit ever sold that many records in one year.

Co motherfuckin sign.

You also know where Puff caught the most hate? NY. New Yorkers don't hold back.

 

[gemini86]

I hope NYC gets back on top. 50 is still the biggest artist here besides jay and nas

 

[Ghostdenithegawd]

And fuck it to be real, jay hasn't even had big impacts in hiphop like big, PAC, 50, eminem, Wayne. The nigga just rides the wave and hype of other artist. For example ruff Ryders, Wayne Ross drake and etc...

Wtf

 

[gemini86]

And fuck it to be real, jay hasn't even had big impacts in hiphop like big, PAC, 50, eminem, Wayne. The nigga just rides the wave and hype of other artist. For example ruff Ryders, Wayne Ross drake and etc...

Wtf

im really not lying. think about it

 

[Ghostdenithegawd]

So glad i didn't involve myself in thia thread some of these niggas need there ass beat and and say down to watch a few documentarys about the 90s

 

[Ghostdenithegawd]

And fuck it to be real, jay hasn't even had big impacts in hiphop like big, PAC, 50, eminem, Wayne. The nigga just rides the wave and hype of other artist. For example ruff Ryders, Wayne Ross drake and etc...

Wtf

im really not lying. think about it

Nigga influened everybody from fab to banks every lyrical punchline braggadocio rapper was influenced by jay

Niggas starting there mini roca fella,labels within a label jay

When niggas was popping crystal n bottles jay

Niggas getting in thw rap game theb investing in other business to gain additional revenue streams jayz

It was a time wheb niggas was making hit songs off of sampling hay vocals

T.i, Cassidy

Kys jump in a casket

Cmon with this bs

Dam niggas really dragged me into this bs

 

[CoolJoe]

Lmao, niggas will forever give other niggas credit for Hov being where he's at 20+ years in the game.

 

[Ghostdenithegawd]

Shit even nas is following jay steps a million years later

 

[_God_]

I hope NYC gets back on top. 50 is still the biggest artist here besides jay and nas

I'm from nyc, I'm from the era, but it will nvr happen. You know why?

New York City has been gentrified. Everybody has moved. Bc the price of living has gone up so much, it not livable for niggas makin minimum wage, you need at least two minimum wages to hold an apt in the projects. And it's goin to take at least a yr until they call you back.

The energy does not exist anymore. New York is a police state by definition. The biggest. And they always implement laws in nyc first as a tryout for the rest of the country. Look at bobby shmurda, nigga had shit on smash with the raw nyc energy. Why do you think max b got 75 yrs as an example? An example of what ? You u bring any type of energy that the police cannot control, it's a wrap nyc not having it. They made plaxico do 3 yrs after winning s Super Bowl with Jim jones " ballin" as an anthem for the city. They gave prodigy 3 yrs when he dropped hnic 2, why ? Bc he was alertin niggas. " get armor get cameras get wit it lil nigga this man shit, real power is ppl" in nyc they're not allowing hip hop to represent the city anymore.

Bill Clinton lives in Harlem. Have you ever heard of mayor Giuliani , yea he stopped hip hop single ha deadly by crushing the streets. Niggas can't even hustle no more. You got a black duffle bag , you goin to jail for at least the day. Mayor Giuliani is also the next president of America so be ready niggas.

But nyc has moved behind the camera and were making off all these niggas using them as puppets while turn up on Molly they make us rich. New York City will nvr b mainstream . In about 3 yrs after the stadium is built and the surrounding areas are built up. Atlanta will be in the same boat and hip hop will move on to the next city.

 

[_God_]

@gemini86 I wasn't speaking to you directly I was asking and answering my own questions to make shit clear bro

 

[5 Grand]

I hope NYC gets back on top. 50 is still the biggest artist here besides jay and nas

I'm from nyc, I'm from the era, but it will nvr happen. You know why?

New York City has been gentrified. Everybody has moved. Bc the price of living has gone up so much, it not livable for niggas makin minimum wage, you need at least two minimum wages to hold an apt in the projects. And it's goin to take at least a yr until they call you back.

The energy does not exist anymore. New York is a police state by definition. The biggest. And they always implement laws in nyc first as a tryout for the rest of the country. Look at bobby shmurda, nigga had shit on smash with the raw nyc energy. Why do you think max b got 75 yrs as an example? An example of what ? You u bring any type of energy that the police cannot control, it's a wrap nyc not having it. They made plaxico do 3 yrs after winning s Super Bowl with Jim jones " ballin" as an anthem for the city. They gave prodigy 3 yrs when he dropped hnic 2, why ? Bc he was alertin niggas. " get armor get cameras get wit it lil nigga this man shit, real power is ppl" in nyc they're not allowing hip hop to represent the city anymore.

Bill Clinton lives in Harlem. Have you ever heard of mayor Giuliani , yea he stopped hip hop single ha deadly by crushing the streets. Niggas can't even hustle no more. You got a black duffle bag , you goin to jail for at least the day. Mayor Giuliani is also the next president of America so be ready niggas.

But nyc has moved behind the camera and were making off all these niggas using them as puppets while turn up on Molly they make us rich. New York City will nvr b mainstream . In about 3 yrs after the stadium is built and the surrounding areas are built up. Atlanta will be in the same boat and hip hop will move on to the next city.

You don't know what you're talking about. In the projects they calculate your rent by a percentage of your income. So if you make $1,000 per month a third of that might go to rent ($333).

LOL @ working two jobs to afford living in the projects.

 

[gemini86]

I hope NYC gets back on top. 50 is still the biggest artist here besides jay and nas

I'm from nyc, I'm from the era, but it will nvr happen. You know why?

New York City has been gentrified. Everybody has moved. Bc the price of living has gone up so much, it not livable for niggas makin minimum wage, you need at least two minimum wages to hold an apt in the projects. And it's goin to take at least a yr until they call you back.

The energy does not exist anymore. New York is a police state by definition. The biggest. And they always implement laws in nyc first as a tryout for the rest of the country. Look at bobby shmurda, nigga had shit on smash with the raw nyc energy. Why do you think max b got 75 yrs as an example? An example of what ? You u bring any type of energy that the police cannot control, it's a wrap nyc not having it. They made plaxico do 3 yrs after winning s Super Bowl with Jim jones " ballin" as an anthem for the city. They gave prodigy 3 yrs when he dropped hnic 2, why ? Bc he was alertin niggas. " get armor get cameras get wit it lil nigga this man shit, real power is ppl" in nyc they're not allowing hip hop to represent the city anymore.

Bill Clinton lives in Harlem. Have you ever heard of mayor Giuliani , yea he stopped hip hop single ha deadly by crushing the streets. Niggas can't even hustle no more. You got a black duffle bag , you goin to jail for at least the day. Mayor Giuliani is also the next president of America so be ready niggas.

But nyc has moved behind the camera and were making off all these niggas using them as puppets while turn up on Molly they make us rich. New York City will nvr b mainstream . In about 3 yrs after the stadium is built and the surrounding areas are built up. Atlanta will be in the same boat and hip hop will move on to the next city.

You don't know what you're talking about. In the projects they calculate your rent by a percentage of your income. So if you make $1,000 per month a third of that might go to rent ($333).

LOL @ working two jobs to afford living in the projects.

u have to be real lucky to win the housing lottery over her. its not as easy as u think. i live here too. thank god i have a decent job but i have to work mad hours just to maintain. they charge 1000 for a studio nowadays. u just have to be lucky. im about to be on some fuck it shit and move to jersey. its alot cheaper than here

 

[Ghostdenithegawd]

I hope NYC gets back on top. 50 is still the biggest artist here besides jay and nas

I'm from nyc, I'm from the era, but it will nvr happen. You know why?

New York City has been gentrified. Everybody has moved. Bc the price of living has gone up so much, it not livable for niggas makin minimum wage, you need at least two minimum wages to hold an apt in the projects. And it's goin to take at least a yr until they call you back.

The energy does not exist anymore. New York is a police state by definition. The biggest. And they always implement laws in nyc first as a tryout for the rest of the country. Look at bobby shmurda, nigga had shit on smash with the raw nyc energy. Why do you think max b got 75 yrs as an example? An example of what ? You u bring any type of energy that the police cannot control, it's a wrap nyc not having it. They made plaxico do 3 yrs after winning s Super Bowl with Jim jones " ballin" as an anthem for the city. They gave prodigy 3 yrs when he dropped hnic 2, why ? Bc he was alertin niggas. " get armor get cameras get wit it lil nigga this man shit, real power is ppl" in nyc they're not allowing hip hop to represent the city anymore.

Bill Clinton lives in Harlem. Have you ever heard of mayor Giuliani , yea he stopped hip hop single ha deadly by crushing the streets. Niggas can't even hustle no more. You got a black duffle bag , you goin to jail for at least the day. Mayor Giuliani is also the next president of America so be ready niggas.

But nyc has moved behind the camera and were making off all these niggas using them as puppets while turn up on Molly they make us rich. New York City will nvr b mainstream . In about 3 yrs after the stadium is built and the surrounding areas are built up. Atlanta will be in the same boat and hip hop will move on to the next city.

Bruh u wrote a long irrelevant essay