Is There Scientific Proof God Exists? (Lazy readers do not enter)

[KTULU IS BACK]

1. "thats just your opinion" is the last resort for somebody losing an argument

2. if an assertion has zero evidence or logic supporting it, you need only an equal amount of evidence/logic to say that assertion is FALSE

3. you're basically admitting repeatedly that there is no sign in this entire universe of god's existence

4. if you cannot prove yourself right, no one needs to prove you wrong. you are wrong by default because you are making a fool of yourself.

 

[TX_Made713]

1. "thats just your opinion" is the last resort for somebody losing an argument

I stopped reading here because this comment was just stupid. Again your atheism is getting the best of you. the difference between us is im not saying your wrong or right. I honestly dont know because I cannot escape this universe to prove otherwise. You on the other hand seem 100% sure that there "is no god" as if you've been to the beyond and back. so I respect your opinion as anyone else but at the end of the day, until you have concrete evidence of your claims...its just your opinion. Your just as stubborn as you were the last time we discussed this subject. But its still all good. I know the shit talk is a part of your persona as youve told me back in the day. All your research came from google and maybe school yet you sit here and talk as if your apart of nasa's astrological research department.

laff If there is a God, I would love to see the day you meet him. That would be an interesting conversation

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

im not saying your wrong or right.

thats dishonest of you to say

You on the other hand seem 100% sure that there "is no god"

No, I'm 100% sure that you've been unable to provide any support for the idea and you've been repeatedly sonned for your false statements and copy/pasting from creationists.

until you have concrete evidence of your claims...its just your opinion.

Explain to me what concrete evidence of a thing NOT EXISTING would look like, TX.

Explain to me why a defendant in a fair trial would have to prove that they DID NOT commit a crime.

For real, we've been over this again and again, you just don't seem to get it. A positive claim requires evidence for consideration. The negation of that claim does not, unless there is compelling logic behind the claim.

 

[TX_Made713]

thats dishonest of you to say

No, I'm 100% sure that you've been unable to provide any support for the idea and you've been repeatedly sonned for your false statements and copy/pasting from creationists.

Explain to me what concrete evidence of a thing NOT EXISTING would look like, TX.

Explain to me why a defendant in a fair trial would have to prove that they DID NOT commit a crime.

For real, we've been over this again and again, you just don't seem to get it. A positive claim requires evidence for consideration. The negation of that claim does not, unless there is compelling logic behind the claim.

again all that shit is just opinions. "Eminem sucks or eminem is a great rapper" opinion. You havent sonned anybody because your evidence is no different from anybody elses on this site. I believe I made it clear below I dont agree or disagree with anyone here. I've posted the same evidence as others who presented it to you only reworded differently. You never agree with anything anybody says that contradicts your statements and co signs the existence of a God.

your stubborn in your ways. If you feel that strongly god doesnt exist thats fine. I dont mind debating with open minded people, but if your just going to stone wall anyone who disagrees with you then its pointless. we're done here.

 

[b*braze]

It's not that ktulu "stonewalls" anyone. That barrier could be about as strong as aluminum foil. It's just that most of the "evidence of God's existence" is even flimsier and easy to counter.

The problem is peoples definition of "open-mindedness" usually means "suspend all disbelief of the absurd" instead of "here's a plausible idea with tangible evidence and facts to back it up."

 

[TX_Made713]

It's not that ktulu "stonewalls" anyone. That barrier could be about as strong as aluminum foil. It's just that most of the "evidence of God's existence" is even flimsier and easy to counter.

The problem is peoples definition of "open-mindedness" usually means "suspend all disbelief of the absurd" instead of "here's a plausible idea with tangible evidence and facts to back it up."

the article i believe does that and what does he say "ITS BULLSHIT BLAH BLAH" anyone in here posting any evidence of god "BULLSHIT BLAH BLAH". There is NO evidence good enough for KTULU. God himself could come down to earth and he still wouldnt believe it.

again I aint sayin he is wrong or right. your not wrong or right in your beliefs. Everyone has their own opinions based of their own research and thats fine. whatever floats your boat

 

[whar67]

and both are still just assumptions and opinions

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Assumptions

1. There are a shitload of planets. (billion and billions)

2. These planet have a were assigned an assortment of traits in their generic infrastructure. Make-up, size, temperature etc.

3. Life can develop through a naturalistic means due to this infrastructure.

Fact (given the assumption)

1. If life exists on a planet the conditions to support that life must exist on the planet.

Conclusions

1. It is obvious that everything has a place. The inflation of the universe is calculated and the planets alignment in the stars can be predetermined. extraordinary is really a matter of opinion depending on what can be proven. But its not needed in this scenario

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You have to introduce new facts or assumptions to reach that conclusion. Other than the trivial interpretation, if something exist it must exist somewhere, the statement implies a design or order that the assumptions deny. Assumption one states there is an enormous pool of worlds. Assumption 2 states these are randomly assorted. In all that random noise you can not insert the song of creation. You can take different assumptions and different facts and reach a different conclusion.

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Sorry I did not read closely enough. I see you altered assumption 2. In arguement to flip an arguement means to reach a different conclusion while the assumption and facts remain unchanged. In this case I would ask you to make an arguement for assumption #2. I can trivially produce arguements from my first and second assumptions. The third is the most controversial but I think I can soundly make it.

 

[VIBE]

2. These planet have a were assigned an assortment of traits in their generic infrastructure. Make-up, size, temperature etc.

Assigned? So we were assigned these living conditions, so by whom then?

 

[VIBE]

Can someone tell me how God DOESN'T exist? The Bible tells us of His existence, His creations, His doings etc. So how does he NOT exist, can anyone bring forth any type of "proof" such as this article that TX posted?

 

[oliverlang]

Can someone tell me how God DOESN'T exist? The Bible tells us of His existence, His creations, His doings etc. So how does he NOT exist, can anyone bring forth any type of "proof" such as this article that TX posted?

Doesn't the bible also talk about unicorns, talking animals, and people living to be 600 years old, people living in whales, worldwide floods and a giant boat where predator and prey lived harmoniously? Where are all these things now? There are also important things left out of the bible that you would think would be included, like dinosaurs. My point is, the bible is just another book. Just because it's in the Bible doesn't mean it happened, or if it's not in the bible that it didn't happen.

 

[a.mann]

nothing in existence has an inherent purpose

nothing has to happen

but "something" has happened not "nothing"

and "nothing" doesn't have a purpose "something" does.

That star at the center of our Solar System. That has a diameter of 865,000 miles, and accounts for 99.86% of the total mass of the Solar System , consists of hydrogen and helium.

Is not there for "nothing"

and you a God damn fool to beleive it just "coincidentally" sitting up there without a purpose

 

[TX_Made713]

Can someone tell me how God DOESN'T exist? The Bible tells us of His existence, His creations, His doings etc. So how does he NOT exist, can anyone bring forth any type of "proof" such as this article that TX posted?

naw they are stubborn and stuck in their "GOD DOESNT EXIST" beliefs. they refuse to see otherwise. they are blinded by their own hubris.

2. These planet have a were assigned an assortment of traits in their generic infrastructure. Make-up, size, temperature etc.

Assigned? So we were assigned these living conditions, so by whom then?

It was an assumption that everything existing has a purpose. Its not a fact just more of a scenario.

 

[VIBE]

It was an assumption that everything existing has a purpose. Its not a fact just more of a scenario.

No, he could've worded it differently if that's the sense he's speaking in. The way he worded it, "assigned" is assuming that he is implying someone put it there, something is assigned by someone, not by nothing.

 

[VIBE]

Doesn't the bible also talk about unicorns, talking animals, and people living to be 600 years old, people living in whales, worldwide floods and a giant boat where predator and prey lived harmoniously? Where are all these things now? There are also important things left out of the bible that you would think would be included, like dinosaurs. My point is, the bible is just another book. Just because it's in the Bible doesn't mean it happened, or if it's not in the bible that it didn't happen.

Um, I never seen a unicorn to be honest in the Bible. I just maybe haven't come across it yet or it's just really not there.

The Ark is supposedly found, just under going excavation. (article was posted here I think, w/ pics a while back)

Dinosaur is spoken of though.

Just because it's NOT in the Bible doesn't mean it didn't happen. (in most cases) That's religious hog wash.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

Um, I never seen a unicorn to be honest in the Bible. I just maybe haven't come across it yet or it's just really not there.

The Ark is supposedly found, just under going excavation. (article was posted here I think, w/ pics a while back)

Dinosaur is spoken of though.

Just because it's NOT in the Bible doesn't mean it didn't happen. (in most cases) That's religious hog wash.

No but the bible does says witches, wizards, and demons exist.

And that ark wasnt Noah's ark. A team said it might have been, why? Publicity, the wood is only dated to 700 years ago.

Before you say "well well well why dont you think god exists, you're so stupid he has to exist!" I never said he doesn't, I just made it known that just because we cant explain it as of now doesn't mean we have to assume it was a higher power.

 

[VIBE]

No but the bible does says witches, wizards, and demons exist.

Well, yes demons lol

post up the witches & wizards verses though if you can

 

[ThaChozenWun]

Well, yes demons lol

post up the witches & wizards verses though if you can

"There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee. Thou shalt be perfect with the LORD thy God. For these nations, which thou shalt possess, hearkened unto observers of times, and unto diviners: but as for thee, the LORD thy God hath not suffered thee so to do." (Deuteronomy 18:10-14)

"Ye shall not eat any thing with the blood: neither shall ye use enchantment, nor observe times . . . Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I am the LORD your God." (Lev. 19:26, 31) "And the soul that turneth after such as have familiar spirits, and after wizards, to go a whoring after them, I will even set my face against that soul, and will cut him off from among his people . . . A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them." (Lev. 20:6, 27)

"Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." (Exo. 22:18)

Ephesians has some in it too.

 

[oliverlang]

Um, I never seen a unicorn to be honest in the Bible. I just maybe haven't come across it yet or it's just really not there.

Job 39:9-12 (King James Version)

9Will the unicorn be willing to serve thee, or abide by thy crib?

10Canst thou bind the unicorn with his band in the furrow? or will he harrow the valleys after thee?

11Wilt thou trust him, because his strength is great? or wilt thou leave thy labour to him?

12Wilt thou believe him, that he will bring home thy seed, and gather it into thy barn?

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Psalm 29:6 (King James Version)

6He maketh them also to skip like a calf; Lebanon and Sirion like a young unicorn.

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Isaiah 34:7 (King James Version)

7And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

Oliverlang stop it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You and I are foolish everyone knows those parts aren't meant to be taken literal!

 

[Conscious212]

Can someone tell me how God DOESN'T exist? The Bible tells us of His existence, His creations, His doings etc. So how does he NOT exist, can anyone bring forth any type of "proof" such as this article that TX posted?

God has been a tremendous consolation, although it was a lie.

One does not need to disprove God is false because he is already dead. You have to prove he exist because you believe he has dominion over this universe and possibly others. He does not exist because he is not there, and you cannot prove he is.

The very definition of the word you used; 'proof' or prove, means; 1. Demonstrate the truth or existence of (something) by evidence or argument. I cannot prove he 'does not exist' because that requires no proof.