Is There Scientific Proof God Exists? (Lazy readers do not enter)

[TX_Made713]

TX let me try this from the other direction.

First lets confine ourselves to thing known or reasonable to surmise.

Assumptions
1. There are a shitload of planets. (billion and billions)
2. These planet have a random assortment of traits. Make-up, size, temperature etc.
3. Life can develop through a naturalistic means.

Fact (given the assumption)
1. If life exists on a planet the conditions to support that life must exist on the planet.

Conclusions
1. It is unremarkable that even extraordinary circumstances exist on such planet provided they are needed to explain life.

This is the lottery example. Prior to the drawing any ticket can win and the odds are 1 in 40,000,000 (depending on the lottery you are playing). After the numbers are drawn you either have a winning ticket or you don't. It is either 0% or 100%. It does not matter what the odds were prior.

i think you guys are misunderstanding. Im not saying your wrong or right. Im not saying my opinion is wrong or right. I cant escape this universe to find out the truth no more than you can. Im just playing devils advocate for educational purposes. I dont agree or disagree with anything being said here. Im just stating my opinion.

what I can say is this place doesnt suck as much as it use to a few days ago. The level of intelligence has definitely stepped up. We need to continue with these type of discussions.

with that said, we can make a million assumptions and create theories and scenarios all day. I could easily take that example you just gave me and flip it around to say the opposite. neither of us can prove this ultimately

 

[whar67]

i think you guys are misunderstanding. Im not saying your wrong or right. Im not saying my opinion is wrong or right. I cant escape this universe to find out the truth no more than you can. Im just playing devils advocate for educational purposes. I dont agree or disagree with anything being said here. Im just stating my opinion.

what I can say is this place doesnt suck as much as it use to a few days ago. The level of intelligence has definitely stepped up. We need to continue with these type of discussions.

with that said, we can make a million assumptions and create theories and scenarios all day. I could easily take that example you just gave me and flip it around to say the opposite. neither of us can prove this ultimately

What do you mean by flip it around? You can not create a different conclusion given the basic assumptions. You can insert an intelligent designer since I did not add the 'Life can and only develop through naturalistic'. However given the anthropic principle outlined here one can not argue a special designer based on the priviledge status of the earth. It is simply a non-starter. The anthropic principle breaks down when applied to the universe as a whole. For example it is a weak arguement, in my opinion, for the flatness problem say. For anything related to the earth though it reduces the arguement to triviality since we known assumption one and two are true they lead to the conclusion without bias.

 

[TX_Made713]

What do you mean by flip it around? You can not create a different conclusion given the basic assumptions. You can insert an intelligent designer since I did not add the 'Life can and only develop through naturalistic'. However given the anthropic principle outlined here one can not argue a special designer based on the priviledge status of the earth. It is simply a non-starter. The anthropic principle breaks down when applied to the universe as a whole. For example it is a weak arguement, in my opinion, for the flatness problem say. For anything related to the earth though it reduces the arguement to triviality since we known assumption one and two are true they lead to the conclusion without bias.

Assumptions
1. There are a shitload of planets. (billion and billions)
2. These planet have a were assigned an assortment of traits in their generic infrastructure. Make-up, size, temperature etc.
3. Life can develop through a naturalistic means due to this infrastructure.

Fact (given the assumption)
1. If life exists on a planet the conditions to support that life must exist on the planet.

Conclusions
1. It is obvious that everything has a place. The inflation of the universe is calculated and the planets alignment in the stars can be predetermined. extraordinary is really a matter of opinion depending on what can be proven. But its not needed in this scenario

and both are still just assumptions and opinions

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[ThaChozenWun]

Your right that none of us know for sure TX. Everything that is proposed is really just a theory until we are able to re-create the events in a lab. My only problem is that the people who are constantly claiming god are only doing so because they can't explain it right now. They say things like "The sun and moon are perfectly distanced from the Earth and can move a small percentage only" well that number that is projected isn't a small number.

This is what I don't understand. There always this conversation

"Something can not be created from nothing"
"God created everything then"
"Then who created God"
"Nobody he was just always there"

Well if a magical wizard in the sky with an Ipad and a box of sharpies can just "be there", why does it have to be impossible for space to just be there.

"Well if everything was just there explain how it all started and how it all works, you can't so it has to be a higher power"
"If I take a computer back to 1975 and tell them explain how it works they would have no idea, should they worship me for having this divine object?"

"Shudup

"

 

[TX_Made713]

Your right that none of us know for sure TX. Everything that is proposed is really just a theory until we are able to re-create the events in a lab. My only problem is that the people who are constantly claiming god are only doing so because they can't explain it right now. They say things like "The sun and moon are perfectly distanced from the Earth and can move a small percentage only" well that number that is projected isn't a small number.

This is what I don't understand. There always this conversation

"Something can not be created from nothing"

"God created everything then"

"Then who created God"

"Nobody he was just always there"

Well if a magical wizard in the sky with an Ipad and a box of sharpies can just "be there", why does it have to be impossible for space to just be there.

"Well if everything was just there explain how it all started and how it all works, you can't so it has to be a higher power"

"If I take a computer back to 1975 and tell them explain how it works they would have no idea, should they worship me for having this divine object?"

"Shudup

"

Well I cant say for a fact your wrong and vise versa. For all I know we could have just appeared out of nowhere. Or I could be right and we are here by divine intervention.

I laff @ people who get mad when you express your opinion

GOD DOESNT EXIST!!! SHUT UP YOUR STUPID!!!!!!

*insert little girl pouting picture here*

 

[ThaChozenWun]

Well I cant say for a fact your wrong and vise versa. For all I know we could have just appeared out of nowhere. Or I could be right and we are here by divine intervention.

I laff @ people who get mad when you express your opinion

GOD DOESNT EXIST!!! SHUT UP YOUR STUPID!!!!!!

*insert little girl pouting picture here*

Yea the angry little girl goes on both sides of the fence. One of things that bothers me on my side of story is when people dismiss god without actually having done any studying or anything, those are the ones who tend to get pissed anytime god is brought up.

If we are here by divine planning, I think that makes it even more likely of other life being out there though, the size of the universe would only be for the purpose of housing multiple types of life. Possibly designed with such vastness so that different beings would never meet until a civilization was advanced enough to put personal prejudiced aside.

On the flip if we are here by accident, I think that makes life even that much more special. Divine planning means we could be remade whenever, life is just a etch a sketch game. But for it to be an accident its possible it will never happen again and this is our only shot.

 

[dholt23]

dont need evidence faith is enough for me

 

[TX_Made713]

dont need evidence faith is enough for me

depends if you mean true faith or blind faith

blind faith means you can be sucker into believing whatever. All one has to do is sound like they know what they are talking about

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

the answer to the question in the thread title is "no", btw, hth

 

[a.mann]

so everything in exist has a purpose but exist itself?

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

so everything in exist has a purpose but exist itself?

nothing in existence has an inherent purpose

nothing has to happen

 

[TX_Made713]

nothing in existence has an inherent purpose

nothing has to happen

and this is true just because you said so

 

[kids in america_]

nothing in existence has an inherent purpose

nothing has to happen

Philosophical speculation Ktulu. You’re going away from ‘science’ when you make metaphysical statements like these. ‘Science’ at best gives us a great deal about how the world operates not knowledge of ultimate purposes.

 

[oliverlang]

nothing in existence has an inherent purpose

nothing has to happen

I agree with this.......

 

[TX_Made713]

Just something to ponder one...if god is powerful and created the universe to be as perfect as it is......why would he leave us a half baked bible that was translated throughout the years to follow?

i would think he could do better than that

 

[oliverlang]

forget about the bible and all other forms of religion. what about the existence of GOD, a suppernatural designer, doesn't have to follow the bible's account. you don't think any outside power had a hand in all this?

Nope.

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[supaman4321]

nothing in existence has an inherent purpose

nothing has to happen

Air and water have no inherent purpose?

If nothing has to happen then why do things happen continually ALL THE TIME, if nothing had to happen I would think there would be at least some time when absolutely nothing happened correct?

maybe either you or oliverlang can give me more insight about your thinking with this

wa alaikum

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

Things happen because things happen, not because they were SUPPOSED to happen.

I guess, since we're on this subject, we could say things happen in this universe because the Big Bang happened. They're not happening so that something can be fulfilled in the future. They're happening because of a past event.

As for why the Big Bang happened, I'd still like an answer to this question: Why do you jump to the ridiculous conclusion that a super magic male (because you are always calling god a he) decided to make a universe?

The truth is that you have NO EVIDENCE OR LOGIC to support that idea, but you cling to it like a baby to a titty.

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

and this is true just because you said so

this is true because it is what we have actually found from observing the universe instead of copy/pasting from creationist websites, chump

 

[TX_Made713]

this is true because it is what we have actually found from observing the universe instead of copy/pasting from creationist websites, chump

this is true because it is your opinion. I took physics, read books, watched shows, and studying a few sites on the universe. get your story right. chump
your opinion is affected by your undying desire to prove god doesnt exist.

you cling to that shit more than a child does to their favorite toy.

You have just as much evidence as we do that he doesnt exist. Until you can remove yourself from this universe you really cant prove anyone wrong.