Is There Scientific Proof God Exists? (Lazy readers do not enter)

[VIBE]

Let's assume the Bible really is God's word.

Then let's ask this: What if God is lying?

I know, I know. His word says that he doesn't lie. But what if he's lying about that?

Y'all just believe dumb shit without thinking.

I've considered that and He cannot be lying because it doesn't make sense. Not that he would be lying but how the whole Bible is laid out, it's perfect. It's answers to life, to how we've functioned and everything. I was just having a discussion with my wife about this. It's seriously amazing how the Bible is so correct and right on but people won't believe it. Like the littlest things make sense.

 

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you beat me to it

LOL!

oh really?

so who's King James?

Okay, seriously. Now, what does King James have to do with God's Word?

 

[Conscious212]

Been spit at me numerous times. Thing is, even the original language in what it was written in is still supportive of the bible. I'm actually trying to read the Hebrew version that has been translated ONCE into English. It has it's few different interpretations of words but for the most part follows the same lines.

Former Christian theologian/ scholar, left christianity

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[kids in america_]

"There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee. Thou shalt be perfect with the LORD thy God. For these nations, which thou shalt possess, hearkened unto observers of times, and unto diviners: but as for thee, the LORD thy God hath not suffered thee so to do." (Deuteronomy 18:10-14)

"Ye shall not eat any thing with the blood: neither shall ye use enchantment, nor observe times . . . Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I am the LORD your God." (Lev. 19:26, 31) "And the soul that turneth after such as have familiar spirits, and after wizards, to go a whoring after them, I will even set my face against that soul, and will cut him off from among his people . . . A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them." (Lev. 20:6, 27)

"Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." (Exo. 22:18)

Ephesians has some in it too.

The ‘Bible’ speaks of wizards, witches, and demons as if they do exist. However, simply mentioning them does not necessarily mean the 'bible' supports the belief as if they were real and have real and actual power.

 

[kids in america_]

Job 39:9-12 (King James Version)

9Will the unicorn be willing to serve thee, or abide by thy crib?

10Canst thou bind the unicorn with his band in the furrow? or will he harrow the valleys after thee?

11Wilt thou trust him, because his strength is great? or wilt thou leave thy labour to him?

12Wilt thou believe him, that he will bring home thy seed, and gather it into thy barn?

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Psalm 29:6 (King James Version)

6He maketh them also to skip like a calf; Lebanon and Sirion like a young unicorn.

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Isaiah 34:7 (King James Version)

7And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness.

You are using a King James translation. The King James translators believed in ‘unicorns’ in seventeenth century England and they put their beliefs into their translation. So we have in the King James translation many things not found in the original Hebrew and Greek.

 

[garv]

The Bible is God's Word.

How is it Gods word?

God had a hand in writing the Bible?

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

You are using a King James translation. The King James translators believed in ‘unicorns’ in seventeenth century England and they put their beliefs into their translation. So we have in the King James translation many things not found in the original Hebrew and Greek.

Tyndale, who translated from the greek and hebrew texts, his translation has the unicorn bit in it.

Edit: the Geneva bible is the only I have that calls them wild asses.

Job 39:9 "Who hath set the wilde asse at libertie? or who hath loosed the bondes of the wilde asse?"

 

[VIBE]

How is it Gods word?

God had a hand in writing the Bible?

So to speak, yes. Not a literal hand from Heaven writing it but so to speak yes. Inspired? I guess but then that's still not enough for someone like you to believe in it. Which is cool. It's not supposed to be forced into your mind. The things in the Bible were never forced, it was always optional. You know the repercussions.

Let me say this, you don't believe, that's your thing. What's so wrong about reading the Bible and even taking it into your life? The Bible gives good, not bad. So we go about our daily lives; stressed, depressed, cursing, hating, problems etc but with the Bible you have a lot less of that. Now, it makes for a better life. Me, I don't use it for that reason. I literally believe in God, in Y'shua, in God's Word. But anyway, why not just apply it to your life? I don't see why everyone loves to be miserable.

 

[VIBE]

You are using a King James translation. The King James translators believed in ‘unicorns’ in seventeenth century England and they put their beliefs into their translation. So we have in the King James translation many things not found in the original Hebrew and Greek.

Which is totally why I don't read that KJV anymore at all. I stopped once it implied the Trinity. I didn't like the implication and the word changes.

 

[oliverlang]

You are using a King James translation. The King James translators believed in ‘unicorns’ in seventeenth century England and they put their beliefs into their translation. So we have in the King James translation many things not found in the original Hebrew and Greek.

The Hebrew bible also has it in there, but in Hebrew it is Re'em...

 

[ThaChozenWun]

The Hebrew bible also has it in there, but in Hebrew it is Re'em...

Not to mention in Jewish lure the horn on the Re'ems horn was mistaken for a mountain by King David who climbed it, and the when the Ark was built the Re'em was so large that Noah had to strap it to the side of the boat.

I think the folk lure involved with it is much more unbelievable than a unicorn existing. A man climbing a mammals horn because it was as large as a mountain? Sounds to me like it was a hill and land which was symbolic of an animal similar to how constellations are chosen as people or things. And an ark big enough to house two of every animal plus Noah's family can't house this thing? And they strap this large of an animal to one side of a boat and it doesn't capsize? COME ON SON.

 

[VIBE]

Not to mention in Jewish lure the horn on the Re'ems horn was mistaken for a mountain by King David who climbed it, and the when the Ark was built the Re'em was so large that Noah had to strap it to the side of the boat.

I think the folk lure involved with it is much more unbelievable than a unicorn existing. A man climbing a mammals horn because it was as large as a mountain? Sounds to me like it was a hill and land which was symbolic of an animal similar to how constellations are chosen as people or things. And an ark big enough to house two of every animal plus Noah's family can't house this thing? And they strap this large of an animal to one side of a boat and it doesn't capsize? COME ON SON.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Re'em

interesting I'm def. gonna put this memo aside and read up on this as well.

 

[kids in america_]

Tyndale, who translated from the greek and hebrew texts, his translation has the unicorn bit in it.

Edit: the Geneva bible is the only I have that calls them wild asses.



Job 39:9 "Who hath set the wilde asse at libertie? or who hath loosed the bondes of the wilde asse?"

King James is 80% - 90% Tyndale.

 

[kids in america_]

The Hebrew bible also has it in there, but in Hebrew it is Re'em...

The Hebrew word re'em probably refers to some variety of wild cattle. I know almost every other modern-English version of ‘the Bible’ translates re’em as “ox” or “wild ox”. Re’em exact meaning may never be known, but I’m leaning towards the “wild ox” interpretation.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Re'em

interesting I'm def. gonna put this memo aside and read up on this as well.

Damn Wikipedia has pages for Hebrew words. Nice......

 

[ThaChozenWun]

The Hebrew word re'em probably refers to some variety of wild cattle. I know almost every other modern-English version of ‘the Bible’ translates re’em as “ox” or “wild ox”. Re’em exact meaning may never be known, but I’m leaning towards the “wild ox” interpretation.

Why do they call it an ox though when it clearly distinguishes the animals as having one horn rather than a set of horns? If the horns were referenced as more than one the ox translation is more reasonable, but it's labeled as one horn through many texts including the bible.

 

[theillestrator]

judging by the size of the universe, i don't see what's so amazing about only one planet (that we know of) having life. and this is the only place (earth), that we know of, that has life...not the entire universe. so, "the universe is finely tuned to an incomprehensible precision to support life" isn't necessarily true at all.

 

[VIBE]

The Hebrew word re'em probably refers to some variety of wild cattle. I know almost every other modern-English version of ‘the Bible’ translates re’em as “ox” or “wild ox”. Re’em exact meaning may never be known, but I’m leaning towards the “wild ox” interpretation.

But the word "unicorn" doesn't necessarily have to mean it's a "horse" with one horn. If you read the verse it explains you cannot tame this "unicorn" at all. Wild ox = TWO horns, NOT ONE! 'UNI' = ONE, 'CORN' = HORN so in all it = ONEHORN. So therefore it CANNOT BE a wild ox at all. Now I'm not saying it's a "onehorned horse" at all because remember, this thing cannot be tamed! (right? correct me if I'm wrong but that's what the verse pretty much states)

There is only one thing that came to mind, a Rhinoceros. Well, how is that, they also have two horns right? No, only two species of rhino have ONE HORN.

The Indian Rhinoceros (The Great One-Horned Rhinoceros) and the Asian One-Horned Rhinoceros and guess what their "scientific" name is?

Rhinoceros unicornis

So, is that the "unicorn" ??

 

[ThaChozenWun]

But the word "unicorn" doesn't necessarily have to mean it's a "horse" with one horn. If you read the verse it explains you cannot tame this "unicorn" at all. Wild ox = TWO horns, NOT ONE! 'UNI' = ONE, 'CORN' = HORN so in all it = ONEHORN. So therefore it CANNOT BE a wild ox at all. Now I'm not saying it's a "onehorned horse" at all because remember, this thing cannot be tamed! (right? correct me if I'm wrong but that's what the verse pretty much states)

There is only one thing that came to mind, a Rhinoceros. Well, how is that, they also have two horns right? No, only two species of rhino have ONE HORN.

The Indian Rhinoceros (The Great One-Horned Rhinoceros) and the Asian One-Horned Rhinoceros and guess what their "scientific" name is?

Rhinoceros unicornis

So, is that the "unicorn" ??

A rhino is the same thing I thought at first a while ago. But according to other texts about it as I previously stated it was climbed by king david and it was too big to fit on Noahs ark. A rhino is nowhere near that size. If a giraffe and elephant can fit on the ark im sure a rhino would.

 

[VIBE]

A rhino is the same thing I thought at first a while ago. But according to other texts about it as I previously stated it was climbed by king david and it was too big to fit on Noahs ark. A rhino is nowhere near that size. If a giraffe and elephant can fit on the ark im sure a rhino would.

But this rhino is the third largest on earth today maybe back the it WAS the largest.