Iraqi troops suffer mass slaughter one mile from Baghdad: the general ISIS Chat thread

[kingblaze84]

I don't know. I blame America much more for the problems in that part of the world, that much I do know.

the point is that it reveals your criticisms of America to be redundant noise because you literally refuse to criticize other people for ANYTHING without bitching about America in the same breath. it's fucking lame, man.

What can I say, my disgust with American foreign policy is very high. I'm sure it will increase once Trump becomes president!

You should already know by now that I have sympathy with Iran and Assad in the region, but I have definitely criticized some of their actions at times. I never said they were perfect.

 

[kingblaze84]

Many thousands of Greek protesters are currently protesting Obama's visit to Greece today.....many are angry at America's disgusting and immoral actions in Iraq, Syria, and Afghanistan........people even threw molotov cocktails at police who protected American officials.
https://www.rt.com/news/367049-athens-police-obama-protest/

Protesters are rallying against US policy that is “creating tensions” with various countries around the world, starting with China and Russia, as well as against the US attempts to “overthrow the government in Ukraine,” Greek journalist Aris Chatzistefanou told RT. Apart from that, protesters are blaming the US for supporting“Islamic extremists”which led to“well-known consequences.”

“While the Greek government is trying to present the visit of Obama as a visit of a peacemaker, thousands of demonstrators came onto the streets to protest US policy in [such] parts of the world from Latin America to Middle East, Afghanistan and Syria,” Chatzistefanou said.

 

[janklow]

What can I say, my disgust with American foreign policy is very high. I'm sure it will increase once Trump becomes president!

what can i say, you should be able to discuss topics without bringing it up!

You should already know by now that I have sympathy with Iran and Assad in the region, but I have definitely criticized some of their actions at times. I never said they were perfect.

...but without qualifying it with a comment about the US, is the question

 

[kingblaze84]

What can I say, my disgust with American foreign policy is very high. I'm sure it will increase once Trump becomes president!

what can i say, you should be able to discuss topics without bringing it up!

You should already know by now that I have sympathy with Iran and Assad in the region, but I have definitely criticized some of their actions at times. I never said they were perfect.

...but without qualifying it with a comment about the US, is the question

If you want to bash Assad and Russia for their actions in Syria, go right on ahead. As an American, I would love to sit high and mighty and bash Assad and whoever for what's going on in Syria. My words would sound hollow though, considering what my own country has done in the region, to way more innocents then Assad has ever effected.

Go right ahead and bash Assad as much as you want to, do the same for Russia. But remember what your own nation has done as well.

 

[The_Jackal]

I might be deploying to Afghan sometimes next year with the 10th mountain division. I'll be bring a helmet cam and if I come back in one piece give a first hand story on how shit actually is like.

 

[kingblaze84]

If you can bring a helmet cam there, that would be cool, just be careful man. Taliban and ISIS are growing there, and in Pakistan.

Mountain division, sounds like a tough one.

 

[janklow]

Go right ahead and bash Assad as much as you want to, do the same for Russia. But remember what your own nation has done as well.

here's the point that you keep missing because you're so wrapped up in your agenda: things done by Assad and/or Russia are NOT ABSOLVED BY OTHER PEOPLE'S BAD BEHAVIOR.

does anyone say "well, it's cool that Stalin killed millions because Hitler killed millions?" no, because that's fucking retarded.

 

[janklow]

I might be deploying to Afghan sometimes next year with the 10th mountain division. I'll be bring a helmet cam and if I come back in one piece give a first hand story on how shit actually is like.

if it happens, be safe.

 

[kingblaze84]

Go right ahead and bash Assad as much as you want to, do the same for Russia. But remember what your own nation has done as well.

here's the point that you keep missing because you're so wrapped up in your agenda: things done by Assad and/or Russia are NOT ABSOLVED BY OTHER PEOPLE'S BAD BEHAVIOR.

does anyone say "well, it's cool that Stalin killed millions because Hitler killed millions?" no, because that's fucking retarded.

As I said, go right on ahead and bash Assad and Russia. I never said they were angels, but as you criticize Assad and Russia, by all means, feel free to criticize American actions too
https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/139f1585-369e-3978-81cb-e609bf361704/report:-173-syrian-civilians.html

Report: 173 Syrian Civilians Killed by US Warplanes

 

[kingblaze84]

Update on the battle for Mosul: reports are saying that close to 2,000 Iraqi security forces have been killed in or around Iraq just in the past 30 days, most around Mosul. Many Kurdish pershmerga forces killed lately too, around 1600, many thousands wounded. All this was more or less expected, but that many Iraqi soldiers dying in just 30 days is a HORRIBLE sign for the coalition.

Mosul eventually will fall, but Iraq's army will be so bankrupt and bloodied by then that I'm not sure how the hell they're going to be able to hold the country together. With Trump entering office soon, ISIS will likely become more emboldened in the future.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/12/tally-shows-spike-casualties-iraq-161201183153620.html

 

[MrSoutCity]

I was watching a UN security council the other day, man China, Venezuela and Russia to some extent was delivering some ether the the US, England and France. When the Representative from Syria started talking the representative from the US, England and France got up and walked out. Dude was speaking the truth but they wasn't trying to hear it.

 

[janklow]

As I said, go right on ahead and bash Assad and Russia. I never said they were angels, but as you criticize Assad and Russia, by all means, feel free to criticize American actions too

i'm saying we can criticize Assad and Russia without having to ALSO say "but but but THE US" all the fucking time! sometimes the current event being discussed is something that Assad/Russia did and the US wasn't involved, you know?

 

[janklow]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/139f1585-369e-3978-81cb-e609bf361704/report%3A-173-syrian-civilians.html

Report: 173 Syrian Civilians Killed by US Warplanes

173? okay.

Syrian Regime Bombs Eastern Aleppo While Russia Focuses Its Bloody Strikes Elsewhere

Cross-examining hundreds of public reports of air strikes in northwestern Syria from mid-October to mid-November 2016 makes one thing clear. The majority of air strikes flown by the Russian air force and, since Nov. 11, 2016, Russian naval aviation targeted insurgents from the Free Syrian Army in the area between Jishr Ash Shughour, Ma’arat An Nauman, Lataminah and Khan Sheikhoun in western Idlib governorate....

Insurgents of the Free Syrian Army hold this area, and have deliberately vacated many towns in an effort to spare them from air strikes. Moreover, the population of Ma’arat An Nauman staged daily mass protests against Al Nusra Front every single day for 130 consecutive days in 2016 — until repeated Russian air strikes, ostensibly targeting Al Nusrah, forced them to stop....

Exactly what the Russians are targeting there is largely unknown to outsiders —although it’s clear that the incendiary munitions Moscow is so fond of are causing widespread death and destruction in civilian areas of western Aleppo. What’s certain is that, after accidentally striking allied forces several times in 2016, the Russians halted any effort to bomb targets near any front line....

Certain conclusions are obvious. Foremost is that Moscow might be right when it stresses that it’s not bombing eastern Aleppo. However, that doesn’t meant than nobody is hitting civilians in that part of Aleppo. The Syrian regime is certainly doing so.

so Assad and Russia are intentionally striking civilians, as they've done for years... but it's not the US, so you don't fucking care, right?

 

[kingblaze84]

I was watching a UN security council the other day, man China, Venezuela and Russia to some extent was delivering some ether the the US, England and France. When the Representative from Syria started talking the representative from the US, England and France got up and walked out. Dude was speaking the truth but they wasn't trying to hear it.

The US govt and its allies don't like it when others point out their hypocrisy.

 

[kingblaze84]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/139f1585-369e-3978-81cb-e609bf361704/report%3A-173-syrian-civilians.html

Report: 173 Syrian Civilians Killed by US Warplanes

173? okay.

Syrian Regime Bombs Eastern Aleppo While Russia Focuses Its Bloody Strikes Elsewhere

Cross-examining hundreds of public reports of air strikes in northwestern Syria from mid-October to mid-November 2016 makes one thing clear. The majority of air strikes flown by the Russian air force and, since Nov. 11, 2016, Russian naval aviation targeted insurgents from the Free Syrian Army in the area between Jishr Ash Shughour, Ma’arat An Nauman, Lataminah and Khan Sheikhoun in western Idlib governorate....

Insurgents of the Free Syrian Army hold this area, and have deliberately vacated many towns in an effort to spare them from air strikes. Moreover, the population of Ma’arat An Nauman staged daily mass protests against Al Nusra Front every single day for 130 consecutive days in 2016 — until repeated Russian air strikes, ostensibly targeting Al Nusrah, forced them to stop....

Exactly what the Russians are targeting there is largely unknown to outsiders —although it’s clear that the incendiary munitions Moscow is so fond of are causing widespread death and destruction in civilian areas of western Aleppo. What’s certain is that, after accidentally striking allied forces several times in 2016, the Russians halted any effort to bomb targets near any front line....

Certain conclusions are obvious. Foremost is that Moscow might be right when it stresses that it’s not bombing eastern Aleppo. However, that doesn’t meant than nobody is hitting civilians in that part of Aleppo. The Syrian regime is certainly doing so.

so Assad and Russia are intentionally striking civilians, as they've done for years... but it's not the US, so you don't fucking care, right?

Assad has definitely gone overboard at times, there is no doubt about that. But so have his enemies. It's a horrible situation there, but Syrians still elected Assad president. Meanwhile, America is violating international law in several nations around the world itself. The hypocrisy from American officials is stunning, Assad and his allies have caused less chaos for the world compared to Americans, that's for damn sure.

I am troubled by much of Assad's actions, but much more troubled by American actions historically in the region.

 

[kingblaze84]

As I said, go right on ahead and bash Assad and Russia. I never said they were angels, but as you criticize Assad and Russia, by all means, feel free to criticize American actions too

i'm saying we can criticize Assad and Russia without having to ALSO say "but but but THE US" all the fucking time! sometimes the current event being discussed is something that Assad/Russia did and the US wasn't involved, you know?

Alright, feel free to criticize the bad things Assad and Russia does in the region then. But there's plenty of criticism that can go around, not just to Syria's elected govt and its allies.

 

[kingblaze84]

Update on Syria: ISIS has recaptured the large city of Palmyra today, with over 4,000 ISIS soldiers surrounding the city and inside it. America claims to have killed over 50,000 ISIS soldiers, but let's remember MILLIONS live in Syria and Iraq. Not including the many recruits ISIS is still able to pull these days in Saudi Arabia, Somalia, and elsewhere.

Trump vs ISIS next year??? BWAHAHAHAHA man things are gonna get UGLY.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/russian-air-strikes-force-islamic-state-retreat-syrias-074653003.html

 

[The_Jackal]

Only thing that's going to stop ISIS now is boots on ground unfortunately. What should have been snipped down early was allowed to grow because Obama fear of being seen as a war monger

 

[kingblaze84]

Only thing that's going to stop ISIS now is boots on ground unfortunately. What should have been snipped down early was allowed to grow because Obama fear of being seen as a war monger

There are already boots on the ground in both Syria and Iraq. Iranian militias, Kurdish soldiers and Iraqi soldiers will struggle to hold ground in Mosul and elsewhere for sure, but more American soldiers will likely just bring more problems and high expenditures America definitely can't afford now. Especially with Trump's tax cuts coming, which likely will hurt the budget more then the Bush tax cuts did.

Plus, American troops in public roles will only bring in a ton of dead American soldiers like last time, Iraqi militias have publicly said they will kill American soldiers they see openly.

 

[The_Jackal]

Only thing that's going to stop ISIS now is boots on ground unfortunately. What should have been snipped down early was allowed to grow because Obama fear of being seen as a war monger

There are already boots on the ground in both Syria and Iraq. Iranian militias, Kurdish soldiers and Iraqi soldiers will struggle to hold ground in Mosul and elsewhere for sure, but more American soldiers will likely just bring more problems and high expenditures America definitely can't afford now. Especially with Trump's tax cuts coming, which likely will hurt the budget more then the Bush tax cuts did.

Plus, American troops in public roles will only bring in a ton of dead American soldiers like last time, Iraqi militias have publicly said they will kill American soldiers they see openly.

When people generally say "boots on the ground" they usually means experienced, trained solider. I never said it needs to be America, shit for all I care it could be Russia. Until one of the endless countries that deride Isis gets serious this will continuously happen this gridlock.