Iraqi troops suffer mass slaughter one mile from Baghdad: the general ISIS Chat thread

[zzombie]

More isis recruitment will simply mean more isis members get killed.

 

[janklow]

Assad's military and his allies have done some fucked up things, no doubt. Doesn't change the fact that ALL SIDES have done despicable things.

doesn't change the fact that you're not man enough to criticize Assad without bitching about the US military immediately.

seriously, your response to commentary on Assad is "here's how the Iranian media portrays the United States!" lame as fuck.

 

[janklow]

As hypocritical American officials complain about Assad, war criminal George W Bush and his buddies remain free to do as they please in the USA, HAHAHAHA......what a fucking joke. Why don't these hypocritical American officials work to put Bush and Tony Blair in jail.....? How many war crimes has Obama himself committed??!!

note: you're calling for Bush and Blair to be in jail, but you have never once said this about Assad. in fact, you defend him by pointing out that he was elected.

No, I'm calling out American hypocrisy.

if you're going to do this, then a good start would not to be a blatant hypocrite about it.

 

[kingblaze84]

You are. Russia could nuke Syria and your response would be " but but but what about Bush guys."

As I've admitted here in the past, I am far more outraged with American actions in the region the past 15 years compared to Russia and other countries. Gallup released a poll a few years ago that said people worldwide viewed America as the biggest threat to world peace. Many in the world still share this view and for some reason, Gallup hasn't held that poll since.

On that note, I would never support Russia using nukes in the region. I would criticize them harshly if they did.

 

[kingblaze84]

More isis recruitment will simply mean more isis members get killed.

And more ISIS recruitment means more horror and tragedy for America and its allies. Ask the Kurds how fun it is dealing with so many ISIS recruits. Ask the Germans, French, and Turks how fun that is as well. Also ask the Orlando shooting victims how nice that is. America pissing off so much of the Muslim world is NOT a good idea. That's why Trump's plan to blatantly support Israeli settlements will be such a mega disaster.

 

[kingblaze84]

As hypocritical American officials complain about Assad, war criminal George W Bush and his buddies remain free to do as they please in the USA, HAHAHAHA......what a fucking joke. Why don't these hypocritical American officials work to put Bush and Tony Blair in jail.....? How many war crimes has Obama himself committed??!!

note: you're calling for Bush and Blair to be in jail, but you have never once said this about Assad. in fact, you defend him by pointing out that he was elected.

No, I'm calling out American hypocrisy.

if you're going to do this, then a good start would not to be a blatant hypocrite about it.

If Bush, Tony Blair, and others directly responsible for the Iraq War catastrophe go to jail, then Assad can go as well. Fair enough?

Either way, it seems American officials won't act too hard against Assad at this point, minus the many arms they gave to Al-Qaeda sympathizers who later on joined and formed ISIS, among other jihadi groups. But let's see if Syria becomes more peaceful now that Aleppo is basically in Assad's hands now.

 

[zzombie]

More isis recruitment will simply mean more isis members get killed.

And more ISIS recruitment means more horror and tragedy for America and its allies. Ask the Kurds how fun it is dealing with so many ISIS recruits. Ask the Germans, French, and Turks how fun that is as well. Also ask the Orlando shooting victims how nice that is. America pissing off so much of the Muslim world is NOT a good idea. That's why Trump's plan to blatantly support Israeli settlements will be such a mega disaster.

America is actually doing pretty fine you don't see American cities turning into heaps of rubble... for every 10 Americans killed I would say the outcome has been 1000 or more of our enemies killed so just going by that I think it's safe to say more Isis members means more Isis members being killed. It's just sad that innocent people in the Middle East will have to die as well but that's just the results of War

 

[janklow]

As I've admitted here in the past, I am far more outraged with American actions in the region the past 15 years compared to Russia and other countries.

SO WHAT

If Bush, Tony Blair, and others directly responsible for the Iraq War catastrophe go to jail, then Assad can go as well. Fair enough?

no, because this is an absurdly bullshit claim. is your argument "no one can be punished for their misdeeds unless EVERYONE is?" because that's fucking retarded.

and again, continuing the point, you're still refusing to criticize Assad in any context where you don't immediately criticize someone else.

 

[janklow]

TOPICAL POSTING:

Cease-fire goes into force in war-ravaged Syria

A cease-fire brokered by Russia and Turkey went into effect in war-ravaged Syria at midnight Thursday, a potential breakthrough in the six years of fighting that have left more than a quarter-million people dead and triggered a refugee crisis across Europe.

If it holds, the truce between the Syrian government and the country’s mainstream rebel forces will be followed by peace talks next month in Kazakhstan, Russian President Vladimir Putin said in announcing the agreement. He described it, however, as “quite fragile” and requiring “special attention and patience.”

The first half-hour of the cease-fire was one of “comprehensive calm,” said Rami Abdurrahman, head of the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights. He said that before the truce came into force, the government was bombing several areas, including the province of Aleppo and suburbs of the capital, Damascus.

The truce had the backing of both Russia, Syria’s chief battlefield ally, and Turkey, which has been supporting the rebels. Russia said the deal was signed by seven of Syria’s major rebel factions, though none of them immediately confirmed it, and one of them denied signing.

Several previous cease-fires in the Syrian civil war all collapsed, some of them in a matter of days. And this latest agreement, like previous ones, does not include extremist factions such as the Islamic State group and al-Qaida’s branch in Syria.

Still, the deal raised hopes for a political settlement to the ruinous war, in part because the landscape has significantly shifted recently.

For one thing, the tide has turned in Syrian President Bashar Assad’s favor militarily over the past year, with the government retaking the city of Aleppo from the rebels just days ago. Also, Turkey, which is fighting Kurdish and Islamic militants at home, appears more willing to strike a bargain with Russia if it means protecting its borders.

“This is a different political scene, and one would expect some outcomes to emerge,” said Hilal Khashan, political science professor at the American University of Beirut. He cautioned, however, against expecting immediate results from the first round of talks.

Syrian Foreign Minister Walid al-Moallem welcomed the cease-fire agreement said there is a “real chance” for a political settlement.

In comments made to Syrian TV, he said the Syrian government will attend the peace talks “with an open mind,” but he suggested it would not be willing to compromise on Assad’s fate. Assad’s remaining in power has been a major sticking point in the crisis.

“Everything is negotiable except national sovereignty and the people’s right to choose its leadership,” al-Moallem said.

Putin said the cease-fire will be guaranteed by both Moscow and Turkey. Turkey has been allowing opposition forces to use its long border with Syria to cross back and forth. The agreement was also praised by Iran, another of Assad’s strongest backers.

Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said that the truce will include 62,000 opposition fighters across Syria and that the Russian military has established a hotline with its Turkish counterpart to monitor compliance. Sergey Lavrov, Russia’s foreign minister, said President-elect Donald Trump’s administration will be welcome to join the peace process once he takes office.

Putin said he ordered the Russian military to scale back its presence in Syria, where it has provided crucial support to Assad’s forces. Putin didn’t say how many troops and weapons will be withdrawn. He said Russia will continue “fighting international terrorism in Syria” and supporting Assad’s military.

The U.N. special envoy for Syria, Staffan de Mistura, welcomed the cease-fire announcement, saying he hopes the agreement will save civilian lives, facilitate the delivery of humanitarian aid and pave the way for productive peace talks.

Earlier Thursday, Turkey called on Hezbollah to withdraw its fighters from Syria. The Iranian-backed extremist group has sent thousands of fighters to support Assad and has been playing an instrumental role in the civil war since 2013.

Foreign fighters from around the world have joined both sides of the Syrian conflict, which has displaced half the country’s population and produced more than 4 million refugees. Many of those refugees have been streaming into Europe, fueling anti-immigration sentiment and terrorist fears that are reshaping the continent’s political landscape.

Syria’s military noted that the cease-fire comes after the “successes achieved by the armed forces,” an apparent reference to the fierce fighting in Aleppo.

Osama Abo Zayd, a spokesman for mainstream Syrian opposition groups, told reporters in the Turkish capital of Ankara that 13 armed opposition factions have signed the agreement.

He said the peace talks will be based on the Geneva 2012 declaration that calls for a governing body with full executive powers to run Syria during a transition period. “This means that there will be no presence for Assad in the future,” he said.

However, Khashan, the political analyst, said Assad’s exit is “out of the question.” ‘’Neither the Russians nor the Iranians would allow it to happen,” he said.

Saeed Sadek, a professor of political sociology at Cairo’s Future University, said Assad has no power to accept or reject any deals.

“He is now under the control of Moscow, Tehran and Ankara. All these countries will decide his future,” he said.

 

[kingblaze84]

As I've admitted here in the past, I am far more outraged with American actions in the region the past 15 years compared to Russia and other countries.

SO WHAT

If Bush, Tony Blair, and others directly responsible for the Iraq War catastrophe go to jail, then Assad can go as well. Fair enough?

no, because this is an absurdly bullshit claim. is your argument "no one can be punished for their misdeeds unless EVERYONE is?" because that's fucking retarded.

and again, continuing the point, you're still refusing to criticize Assad in any context where you don't immediately criticize someone else.

I've already said why I'm harsher on America, I'm not forcing you agree. I have many reasons why I blame America more then Assad for the problems of the region and I'm not gonna mention them again at this time, I've made my points and I'm sticking to them.

As far as Assad, he's no angel, but I don't see his enemies able to take him down, so America is going to have to work with him down the line. If you want Assad taken down, you're going to be frustrated for some time because I don't see him coming down anytime soon. Even if he's taken down, Syria's problems are going to be long lasting. There's no seriously good alternative to him.

 

[janklow]

I have many reasons why I blame America more then Assad for the problems of the region and I'm not gonna mention them again at this time, I've made my points and I'm sticking to them.

then the root of the issue is that you're absolutely not fucking listening, because the point remains that Assad and America can be discussed without having to bring up the other EVERY GODDAMN TIME.

this is the shit you are obviously being willfully ignorant about. telling me "but i think America is worse than Assad" is not the point. my criticism is that you cannot criticize Assad -or even discuss him- without bitching about America IMMEDIATELY. telling me you're refusing to blame Assad more than America doesn't have anything to do with that.

 

[kingblaze84]

More isis recruitment will simply mean more isis members get killed.

And more ISIS recruitment means more horror and tragedy for America and its allies. Ask the Kurds how fun it is dealing with so many ISIS recruits. Ask the Germans, French, and Turks how fun that is as well. Also ask the Orlando shooting victims how nice that is. America pissing off so much of the Muslim world is NOT a good idea. That's why Trump's plan to blatantly support Israeli settlements will be such a mega disaster.

America is actually doing pretty fine you don't see American cities turning into heaps of rubble... for every 10 Americans killed I would say the outcome has been 1000 or more of our enemies killed so just going by that I think it's safe to say more Isis members means more Isis members being killed. It's just sad that innocent people in the Middle East will have to die as well but that's just the results of War

The war on terrorism is very expensive though, last year America spent almost 800 billion on defense, that's ridiculous and unsustainable. America needs to let other nations handle this militarily, because America can't do this forever, nations and groups like Iraq, Kurds, and Afghanistan's govt are bankrupt now because of the neverending wars. But obviously Trump will continue things and quite possibly make a bad situation worse.

 

[kingblaze84]

I have many reasons why I blame America more then Assad for the problems of the region and I'm not gonna mention them again at this time, I've made my points and I'm sticking to them.

then the root of the issue is that you're absolutely not fucking listening, because the point remains that Assad and America can be discussed without having to bring up the other EVERY GODDAMN TIME.

this is the shit you are obviously being willfully ignorant about. telling me "but i think America is worse than Assad" is not the point. my criticism is that you cannot criticize Assad -or even discuss him- without bitching about America IMMEDIATELY. telling me you're refusing to blame Assad more than America doesn't have anything to do with that.

So how should Trump handle Assad then...?

 

[kingblaze84]

After the latest ISIS attacks in Baghdad, taking over 34 lives, wounding many more today, Baghdad's govt said they have captured around 25% of Mosul, a pace that's much slower then I expected for this time. But considering ISIS is probably at its most dangerous as a pure terror group, I'm not even sure what the use is for Iraq's govt taking over Mosul. They can't even protect the cities they do have, but hey, let's see where things go. I'm curious to see if Mosul is fully taken by Baghdad's govt before Obama leaves office. Seems unlikely at this point.

 

[zzombie]

More isis recruitment will simply mean more isis members get killed.

And more ISIS recruitment means more horror and tragedy for America and its allies. Ask the Kurds how fun it is dealing with so many ISIS recruits. Ask the Germans, French, and Turks how fun that is as well. Also ask the Orlando shooting victims how nice that is. America pissing off so much of the Muslim world is NOT a good idea. That's why Trump's plan to blatantly support Israeli settlements will be such a mega disaster.

America is actually doing pretty fine you don't see American cities turning into heaps of rubble... for every 10 Americans killed I would say the outcome has been 1000 or more of our enemies killed so just going by that I think it's safe to say more Isis members means more Isis members being killed. It's just sad that innocent people in the Middle East will have to die as well but that's just the results of War

The war on terrorism is very expensive though, last year America spent almost 800 billion on defense, that's ridiculous and unsustainable. America needs to let other nations handle this militarily, because America can't do this forever, nations and groups like Iraq, Kurds, and Afghanistan's govt are bankrupt now because of the neverending wars. But obviously Trump will continue things and quite possibly make a bad situation worse.

Nigga we can afford it america won't be going broke any time this century or possibly the next.... islamic state will be destroyed and it will be reduced to just another terrorist group.... and in the large scheme of things terrorist are just annoyances.

which exactly what i told you would happen maybe about 100 of pages ago

 

[kingblaze84]

More isis recruitment will simply mean more isis members get killed.

And more ISIS recruitment means more horror and tragedy for America and its allies. Ask the Kurds how fun it is dealing with so many ISIS recruits. Ask the Germans, French, and Turks how fun that is as well. Also ask the Orlando shooting victims how nice that is. America pissing off so much of the Muslim world is NOT a good idea. That's why Trump's plan to blatantly support Israeli settlements will be such a mega disaster.

America is actually doing pretty fine you don't see American cities turning into heaps of rubble... for every 10 Americans killed I would say the outcome has been 1000 or more of our enemies killed so just going by that I think it's safe to say more Isis members means more Isis members being killed. It's just sad that innocent people in the Middle East will have to die as well but that's just the results of War

The war on terrorism is very expensive though, last year America spent almost 800 billion on defense, that's ridiculous and unsustainable. America needs to let other nations handle this militarily, because America can't do this forever, nations and groups like Iraq, Kurds, and Afghanistan's govt are bankrupt now because of the neverending wars. But obviously Trump will continue things and quite possibly make a bad situation worse.

Nigga we can afford it america won't be going broke any time this century or possibly the next.... islamic state will be destroyed and it will be reduced to just another terrorist group.... and in the large scheme of things terrorist are just annoyances.

which exactly what i told you would happen maybe about 100 of pages ago

Lol no America cannot afford close to 800 billion a year in defense related spending, government tax agencies and even mayors of major cities nationwide say the debt is becoming a problem. Governors as well, look at Chicago's budget cuts, same with Detroit, the debt matters. Many US soldiers get shoddy treatment in hospitals because of poor funding. Hundreds of thousands of American soldiers and contractors still suffer from injuries or PTSD, that's not cheap.

I fully agree Islamic State as a nation is mostly falling apart but ISIS existing as a terror group is not exactly a victory for failed American foreign policy. Governments worldwide are going bankrupt fighting these failed wars. American foreign policy creating enemies by the thousands or millions every year is unsustainable, ask the United Nations and the record amount of refugees worldwide.

 

[janklow]

So how should Trump handle Assad then...?

one-on-one cage fight

 

[kingblaze84]

So how should Trump handle Assad then...?

one-on-one cage fight

My money is on Assad, he's more in shape and Trump is 70 lol

 

[janklow]

My money is on Assad, he's more in shape and Trump is 70 lol

2016 should have taught you to never bet against Trump

 

[kingblaze84]

My money is on Assad, he's more in shape and Trump is 70 lol

2016 should have taught you to never bet against Trump

Trump has lost before though, remember that 25 million he coughed up a few months ago to settle lawsuits? He's not invincible, China, Iran and quite a bit of other groups worldwide will humble him. Next weekend is gonna be interesting.