Iraqi troops suffer mass slaughter one mile from Baghdad: the general ISIS Chat thread

[kingblaze84]

The American led coalition is slowly turning against itself.....A Shiite, Iraqi member of Iraq's govt went on Arab television a few weeks ago to say America is the Great Satan of the world and deep down, Iraqi govt officials prefer working with Iran on the fight against ISIS over America.

poor example; Qasim al-Araji is a Badr Organization dude; group spent decades in Iran and pushed all that sectarian shit under Maliki that caused the problems to begin with. what positions do you expect a guy like that to take?

Okay that may be true but considering he ALSO hates ISIS, and Iran is gaining more and more influence with Shiite Iraqis, this can't be good for American influence in the region. One would think American influence in Iraq would be growing with each airstrike, but the hatred for America there remains strong and intense. If a Shiite who is part of Iraqi GOVT speaks like this, I hate to see what the avg Sunni Iraqi thinks!

 

[kingblaze84]

Oh shit, ISIS' leader Baghdadi had his wife and young son captured by Lebanon and according to CNN they still have them .....maybe ISIS is slowly falling apart....? They seemed invincible for a long time but slowly they're getting touched
http://news.yahoo.com/wife-leader-detained-lebanon-090530629.html

Lebanon says it has detained wife of IS leader

One of the Lebanese officials said the woman and child were taken into custody about 10 days ago while carrying fake identification cards. He initially identified the woman as Syrian, but later said she is Iraqi and was in Syria before traveling to Lebanon.

He identified her as Saja al-Dulaimi who was held by Syrian authorities and freed in a prisoner exchange with the Nusra Front, Syria's al-Qaida-linked branch, earlier this year. The woman "confessed during interrogation" that she was al-Baghdadi's wife, the official said.

Both Lebanese officials spoke on condition of anonymity in line with regulations. There was no official statement from the Lebanese military.

 

[janklow]

Okay that may be true but considering he ALSO hates ISIS, and Iran is gaining more and more influence with Shiite Iraqis, this can't be good for American influence in the region. One would think American influence in Iraq would be growing with each airstrike, but the hatred for America there remains strong and intense. If a Shiite who is part of Iraqi GOVT speaks like this, I hate to see what the avg Sunni Iraqi thinks!

still seems like a bit of a reach.

dudes like this hate ISIS whether or not they love the US, are already in bed with Iran, and often remain tied into the government. a better indicator will be if stuff like the current deal with the Kurds (Iraq government reaches oil deal with Kurds) builds a legitimately more inclusive government. because something tells me the average Sunni out there doesn't even love what ISIS stands for. no one likes fundamentalism when it means you can't smoke cigarettes and stare at girls.

 

[kingblaze84]

Okay that may be true but considering he ALSO hates ISIS, and Iran is gaining more and more influence with Shiite Iraqis, this can't be good for American influence in the region. One would think American influence in Iraq would be growing with each airstrike, but the hatred for America there remains strong and intense. If a Shiite who is part of Iraqi GOVT speaks like this, I hate to see what the avg Sunni Iraqi thinks!

still seems like a bit of a reach.

dudes like this hate ISIS whether or not they love the US, are already in bed with Iran, and often remain tied into the government. a better indicator will be if stuff like the current deal with the Kurds (Iraq government reaches oil deal with Kurds) builds a legitimately more inclusive government. because something tells me the average Sunni out there doesn't even love what ISIS stands for. no one likes fundamentalism when it means you can't smoke cigarettes and stare at girls.

I agree most Sunnis there probably dislike ISIS' policies deep down, but many aren't fighting back either. Apparently, they hate Iraq's Shiite led govt more then they hate ISIS' fundamentalism. As far as the many Shiites being in bed with Iran, it's very understandable considering the threat Islamic State is to them. It's why I think Iran, Syria, and Iraq need to handle this on their own with their allies, and America needs to step aside. But with all the American companies and embassy staff being in Iraq, I'm probably just dreaming. Oh well, at least no one close to me is in the military anymore.

 

[janklow]

I agree most Sunnis there probably dislike ISIS' policies deep down, but many aren't fighting back either. Apparently, they hate Iraq's Shiite led govt more then they hate ISIS' fundamentalism.

more likely is that they dislike fundamentalism and don't trust the Iraqi government, so it probably comes down to who's best to side with in the moment.

It's why I think Iran, Syria, and Iraq need to handle this on their own with their allies, and America needs to step aside.

...what if the US is their ally?

 

[kingblaze84]

I agree most Sunnis there probably dislike ISIS' policies deep down, but many aren't fighting back either. Apparently, they hate Iraq's Shiite led govt more then they hate ISIS' fundamentalism.

more likely is that they dislike fundamentalism and don't trust the Iraqi government, so it probably comes down to who's best to side with in the moment.

It's why I think Iran, Syria, and Iraq need to handle this on their own with their allies, and America needs to step aside.

...what if the US is their ally?

Agreed with the Sunnis and as far as Iraq being America's "ally", we've gone over this before, America getting involved in the Middle East makes things worse in the Middle East. Don't take my word for it, Russia, Iran and Syria have each said the same thing. Along with many members of the Shiite community in Iraq. The president of Syria just this week told Al-Jazeera that America bombing Syria and Iraq is creating more terrorism, not less. A country that exports terrorism as much as America has no business pretending to stop it worldwide.

 

[janklow]

Don't take my word for it, Russia, Iran and Syria have each said the same thing.

why do you say this like they're neutral, disinterested parties? Russia is not a Middle Eastern nation; "many members of the Shiite community in Iraq" are in Iran's pocket; and the president of Syria is mysteriously looking the other way regarding those air strikes while saying that.

 

[kingblaze84]

Don't take my word for it, Russia, Iran and Syria have each said the same thing.

why do you say this like they're neutral, disinterested parties? Russia is not a Middle Eastern nation; "many members of the Shiite community in Iraq" are in Iran's pocket; and the president of Syria is mysteriously looking the other way regarding those air strikes while saying that.

I mentioned Russia, Iran and Syria because these nations are taking on ISIS so America doesn't really have to. Each of these nations know America isn't helping ANYTHING in the region militarily, only spreading the chaos. Russia isn't directly fighting on the ground but they are supplying Iraq and Syria with weapons and planes, and Russia is smart enough to not fly the planes around Iraq and Syria themselves. They know this is a Middle Eastern problem that only people in that region can solve.

Yes many in the Shiite community in Iraq are in the pockets of Iran, but that was inevitable, considering Iran is a powerful Shiite nation and America took out Saddam. Syria's president is looking the other way regarding America's very illegal bombing campaign in Syria, but I suppose that's mostly because Bashar Assad doesn't want to end up dead like Gaddafi and Saddam.

 

[kingblaze84]

Speaking of Iran, its power and clout is getting stronger and stronger in the region according to Middle East experts, including Americans. Next to Israel, it's probably the most powerful nation in the Middle East now and it's definitely the most influential. They're fighting ISIS and Al-Qaeda in Yemen, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, and Libya. It almost seems as if Iran is fighting the war on terror for us. I think it's time America build very close relations with Iran, and cut off the apartheid, terrorist loving nation of Israel. If America cooperated more Iranians, we could even let Iran fight the "war on terror" for us.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/irans-military-mastermind-leader-lebanon-145812465.html

Iran's Military Mastermind Is 'The Leader Of Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, And Yemen'



As the US provides air cover for Iranian-backed militias fighting ISIS (aka the Islamic State, ISIL, and/or Daesh) in Iraq, the longest continuously serving American official in the country has strong opinions about who is in control.

Ali Khedery, who served as a special assistant to five US ambassadors and a senior adviser to three heads of US Central Command between 2003 and 2009, told The New York Times: “For the Iranians, really, the gloves are off.”



He highlighted the role of Qassem Suleimani, the head of the Qods Force, the foreign arm of Iran's Revolutionary Guards Corps. Qods is directing sectarian militias in both Iraq and Syria. At the same time, Suleimani is nurturing the guerilla proxy Hezbollah in Lebanon and the Houthis rebel group in Yemen — in other words, he is controlling powerful Shia proxies all across the Middle East.

“Suleimani is the leader of Lebanon, Syria, Iraq and Yemen,” Khedery said. “Iraq is not sovereign. It is led by Suleimani, and his boss, [Iranian Supreme Leader] Grand Ayatollah Ali Khamenei."

For the Americans, any campaign against ISIS means US planes and combat advisors working in parallel with Iranian planes and Shia militias who have US blood on their hands.

 

[The_Jackal]

Israel is a horrible country but if you think Iran is any better then you're being delusional

 

[kingblaze84]

Israel is a horrible country but if you think Iran is any better then you're being delusional

Israel by far is a much more horrible nation than Iran. Iran hasn't waged wars of aggression for a long time, while Israel has been committing apartheid and terrorism since it's founding in 1948. Iran does support militant groups like Hamas and Hezbollah, but I don't consider either group terrorists, simply small armies who are fighting Israel. A just and honorable cause.

 

[The_Jackal]

Regardlessly how just a cause is setting up weapons and training factors in highly populated areas of civilians hoping that the enemy won't attack you is irresponsible. Now of course aIsrael shouldn't target those areas but they are and will

 

[kingblaze84]

Regardlessly how just a cause is setting up weapons and training factors in highly populated areas of civilians hoping that the enemy won't attack you is irresponsible. Now of course aIsrael shouldn't target those areas but they are and will

That's a good point, but in war, people fight in all kinds of weird places. But Israel would have found a way to blow up those apartments and children schools anyway. Israel destroys the property and homes of innocent Palestinians all the time, whether gunfire is going off in the area or not.

 

[The_Jackal]

Don't diSagres with you just saying blame lays on both sides because the Israel and Hamas both know what they are doing.

 

[janklow]

Russia isn't directly fighting on the ground but they are supplying Iraq and Syria with weapons and planes, and Russia is smart enough to not fly the planes around Iraq and Syria themselves. They know this is a Middle Eastern problem that only people in that region can solve.

if you replaced "Russia" with "the US" in this, there is NO WAY you would be cool with the US even doing those things.

Yes many in the Shiite community in Iraq are in the pockets of Iran, but that was inevitable, considering Iran is a powerful Shiite nation and America took out Saddam.

Iran's been a LITTLE more proactive in funding/supplying/protecting some of these anti-America Shiites than they seem to be getting credit for here.

Syria's president is looking the other way regarding America's very illegal bombing campaign in Syria, but I suppose that's mostly because Bashar Assad doesn't want to end up dead like Gaddafi and Saddam.

well, it DOES help him to see ISIS guys get slammed.

 

[janklow]

I think it's time America build very close relations with Iran, and cut off the apartheid, terrorist loving nation of Israel.

uh, if "terrorist-loving" is a deal breaker...

Iran does support militant groups like Hamas and Hezbollah, but I don't consider either group terrorists, simply small armies who are fighting Israel. A just and honorable cause.

leaving Hamas aside for the moment, however, we kind of already talked about how this is a bullshit assertion, since Hezbollah has definitely supported terror and meddled in other nations in ways that don't seem to have a lot to do with "fighting Israel."

might be time to update that image of Hezbollah

 

[kingblaze84]

Don't diSagres with you just saying blame lays on both sides because the Israel and Hamas both know what they are doing.

Yeah neither side is completely innocent....

 

[kingblaze84]

I think it's time America build very close relations with Iran, and cut off the apartheid, terrorist loving nation of Israel.

uh, if "terrorist-loving" is a deal breaker...

Iran does support militant groups like Hamas and Hezbollah, but I don't consider either group terrorists, simply small armies who are fighting Israel. A just and honorable cause.

leaving Hamas aside for the moment, however, we kind of already talked about how this is a bullshit assertion, since Hezbollah has definitely supported terror and meddled in other nations in ways that don't seem to have a lot to do with "fighting Israel."

might be time to update that image of Hezbollah

Hezbollah is seen as meddlers in many parts of the Middle East based on some research I've done. Even among Palestinians, which surprised me, they created a lot of enemies fighting and killing thousands of Sunnis worldwide. Hezbollah probably went too far many times and that's part of the problem with the region, too many people willing to use guns to solve problems.

 

[janklow]

Hezbollah is seen as meddlers in many parts of the Middle East based on some research I've done. Even among Palestinians, which surprised me, they created a lot of enemies fighting and killing thousands of Sunnis worldwide. Hezbollah probably went too far many times and that's part of the problem with the region, too many people willing to use guns to solve problems.

what is this surprisingly reasoned perspective doing here

 

[kingblaze84]

Hezbollah is seen as meddlers in many parts of the Middle East based on some research I've done. Even among Palestinians, which surprised me, they created a lot of enemies fighting and killing thousands of Sunnis worldwide. Hezbollah probably went too far many times and that's part of the problem with the region, too many people willing to use guns to solve problems.

what is this surprisingly reasoned perspective doing here

I've always been rational lol