Iraqi troops suffer mass slaughter one mile from Baghdad: the general ISIS Chat thread

[kingblaze84]

If America vetoes United Nation votes to end Israel's occupation after 2 years, it can forget about pretending to be the good guy in conflicts across the Middle East and trying to win the war against ISIS.......

America can vote with most of the world Wednesday in the United Nations and call for an end to Israeli occupation of Palestinian lands within 2 years. I'm sure the cowards in Washington DC will veto the measure though.....
http://news.yahoo.com/israel-pm-rejects-palestinian-ultimatum-un-095640432.html

The Palestinians have said they intend to submit a draft text setting a two-year deadline for an end to the decades-long Israeli occupation of their lands as early as Wednesday.

Traditionally the US has used its power of veto at the UN Security Council to shoot down what it sees as moves against its close regional ally, Israel.

But there is a growing impatience in Europe to end the impasse in the peace negotiations amid fears that the Middle East risks spiralling into even greater chaos.

Several European parliaments have called on their governments to move ahead with the recognition of a Palestinian state.

A US veto risks however running contrary to Washington's avowed aims of a Palestinian state and would anger key Arab allies -- many of whom have joined the US-led coalition against Islamic State militants.



--If America vetoes the measure, expect Turkey and other Middle Eastern nations to become even more hostile to the US. This would basically make beating ISIS on the ground near impossible, as America will be seen as the Great Satan by more moderates in the region. I hope Obama grows some fucking balls on Wednesday

 

[kingblaze84]

The biggest irony about the war against ISIS is that Al-Qaeda is now officially getting stronger. Al-Qaeda and its buddies in Syria just captured TWO Syrian military bases, and they captured them with tanks and anti-plane weapons. That's big because even ISIS wasn't able to do this in that area.....so much for Al-Qaeda being on the run
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-30476609

15 December 2014 Last updated at 11:40 ET

Al-Qaeda's affiliate in Syria and allied rebel groups have taken control of two key army bases in the northern province of Idlib, activists say.

Members of al-Nusra Front, supported by those from Jund al-Aqsa, captured Wadi al-Deif base on Monday after launching a fierce offensive on Sunday morning.

Ahrar al-Sham later joined their assault on the nearby Hamidiya base.

Forces loyal to President Bashar al-Assad had until now managed to repel a number of assaults on the facilities.

--This war is just becoming a black hole now. More and more billions down the drain., while America continues to fall off.

 

[kingblaze84]

American troops are already fighting ISIS members but only when ISIS gets close to their bases. Damn amazing, and I thought we didn't have boots on the ground lol
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/reports-u-ground-fighters-emerge-154800859.html

Reports of U.S. Ground Fighters Emerge as ISIS Gains in Iraq

By Riyadh Mohammed December 17, 2014

No matter how many bombs Americans drop on ISIS forces, Iraqi troops are losing ground. If al-Anbar is lost, the entire Iraqi front dynamic will shift to favor ISIS again, and months of the U.S.-led air campaign will have been wasted.

Maybe that’s why we had reports from an Iraqi field commander on Tuesday that U.S. forces had their first ground clash with ISIS terrorists at midnight on Monday, Baghdad time. ISIS fighters were forced to withdraw after U.S. air force fighters bombed enemy positions.

One of the reasons the Iraqi government hesitates to arm the tribes in al-Anbar is that some of the weapons sent previously ended up in ISIS hands. “I was told that 4000 Russian PKCs heavy machine guns were sent before. 800 of them ended up with ISIS,” al-Gaud said.

--This is gonna end up great.....

 

[janklow]

American troops are already fighting ISIS members but only when ISIS gets close to their bases. Damn amazing, and I thought we didn't have boots on the ground lol

well, this is what happens when you have an administration that can't just admit what they're doing (aka putting an amount of boots on the ground that they think is appropriate) and a co-signing party that will not call him on it.

 

[The_Jackal]

Boots have already been on the ground and my unit back home says there is a chance after I'm airborne certified I might be gettingbattached to an infantry unit depending on how bad the situation gets. All reports of American soliders getting into firefights with isis has us distinctly winning but it's no point if the Iraq army isn't trained to deal with these kind of problems themselves

 

[kingblaze84]

American troops are already fighting ISIS members but only when ISIS gets close to their bases. Damn amazing, and I thought we didn't have boots on the ground lol

well, this is what happens when you have an administration that can't just admit what they're doing (aka putting an amount of boots on the ground that they think is appropriate) and a co-signing party that will not call him on it.

Yes, very true. Most Democrats aren't calling out Obama on his constant lies. I'm trying to figure out which is Obama's biggest lie:

1) "The Affordable Care Act will save the avg American family $2500 a year (BWAHAHAHAHA)"

or

2) "There will not be any boots on the ground against ISIS"

or

3) "We have peacefully brought an end to the Iraq War"

I'm leaning as a tie btw 1 and 3

 

[kingblaze84]

Boots have already been on the ground and my unit back home says there is a chance after I'm airborne certified I might be gettingbattached to an infantry unit depending on how bad the situation gets. All reports of American soliders getting into firefights with isis has us distinctly winning but it's no point if the Iraq army isn't trained to deal with these kind of problems themselves

Well get ready young man, because more troops are on their way to Iraq within the next few weeks according to CNN. American troops are definitely blowing away ISIS fighters near American bases but if ISIS re-organizes itself, things may get messy. Cuz Iraqi troops are still getting their asses kicked by ISIS and Al-Qaeda is joining the fun all over Syria, and god knows what Khorosan is up to.

 

[The_Jackal]

Boots have already been on the ground and my unit back home says there is a chance after I'm airborne certified I might be gettingbattached to an infantry unit depending on how bad the situation gets. All reports of American soliders getting into firefights with isis has us distinctly winning but it's no point if the Iraq army isn't trained to deal with these kind of problems themselves

Well get ready young man, because more troops are on their way to Iraq within the next few weeks according to CNN. American troops are definitely blowing away ISIS fighters near American bases but if ISIS re-organizes itself, things may get messy. Cuz Iraqi troops are still getting their asses kicked by ISIS and Al-Qaeda is joining the fun all over Syria, and god knows what Khorosan is up to.

I'm going to be ready if I get the call to go to combat. Once Iraq can reorganize itself military and politically wise then they should easily be able to defend itself. As long as it's divided politically though they stand no chance

 

[kingblaze84]

Boots have already been on the ground and my unit back home says there is a chance after I'm airborne certified I might be gettingbattached to an infantry unit depending on how bad the situation gets. All reports of American soliders getting into firefights with isis has us distinctly winning but it's no point if the Iraq army isn't trained to deal with these kind of problems themselves

Well get ready young man, because more troops are on their way to Iraq within the next few weeks according to CNN. American troops are definitely blowing away ISIS fighters near American bases but if ISIS re-organizes itself, things may get messy. Cuz Iraqi troops are still getting their asses kicked by ISIS and Al-Qaeda is joining the fun all over Syria, and god knows what Khorosan is up to.

I'm going to be ready if I get the call to go to combat. Once Iraq can reorganize itself military and politically wise then they should easily be able to defend itself. As long as it's divided politically though they stand no chance

Maybe Iraq should just be divided up into 3 nations then, because it's never going be united politically. The hate most Iraqi Sunnis have for the Bagdhad govt is deep, only deep anger would allow a group like ISIS to take so much power and control over there.

Otherwise, I don't see ANY scenario Iraq becomes united again, unless the next Saddam Hussein comes along

 

[janklow]

-but it's no point if the Iraq army isn't trained to deal with these kind of problems themselves

yeah, that seems fair, but then we come back to the usual problem of there being a political/social issue that gets in the way of our natural ability to wreck shit militarily.

 

[The_Jackal]

@kingblaze84‌ Just don't see how dividing the nation would do any good. They still will essentially be right next to each other and still in conflict.

@janklow‌ yeah unfourtante that saddam was the best leader they had

 

[janklow]

@janklow‌ yeah unfourtante that saddam was the best leader they had

i would probably vote for Faisal I on principle. can't pick Saddam!

 

[kingblaze84]

@The_Jackal‌

Dividing Iraq is the best out of all bad options, and right now as even Obama admitted, there are ONLY bad options when it comes to ISIS and the disaster known as Iraq. If the nation is divided, it means less money has to be spent propping up a failed govt like Iraq's. America is babysitting Iraq when sooooo many people here in America are broke and have nothing to lose or even gain. We just look silly spending all this money over there while we got these issues. If anything, North Korea is the one to watch out for

 

[janklow]

If anything, North Korea is the one to watch out for

North Korea is also surrounded by potent countries that can restrain it (China) or pound the shit out of it in an extreme emergency (South Korea), so at least there's that.

 

[kingblaze84]

If anything, North Korea is the one to watch out for

North Korea is also surrounded by potent countries that can restrain it (China) or pound the shit out of it in an extreme emergency (South Korea), so at least there's that.

Good point, but that's also technically the case with Islamic State. Israel isn't too far from Islamic State, and Syria's govt, Iraq's govt and Iran are also nearby too.....

 

[kingblaze84]

Meanwhile, the losing American war on ISIS continues to fall apart. America's overrated military is losing influence in the fight because various rebel groups would rather join ISIS now then be a part of the American coalition. America is seen as an evil force in the region (for understandable reasons) and people have little desire to be joining forces with the Great Satan there. Even Israel is getting worried about how many people are joining them lately
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/isis-closing-israel-north-south-113000327.html

ISIS Closing in on Israel from the North and the South

The war against ISIS is taking a dangerous, perhaps inevitable turn. The terror organization has been keen to expand to southern Syria and the Syrian capital of Damascus. Now it says it has recruited three Syrian rebel groups operating in the south of the country in an area bordering the Israeli occupied Golan Heights — that have switched their loyalties to ISIS.

This switch means that Israel, the U.S.’s closes ally in the Middle East, could be threatened from the southwest by the Egyptian ISIS group of Ansar Bait al-Maqdis in Sinai and by ISIS in southern Syria.

The ISIS war is not going well at all for the US-led alliance in Syria. ISIS and al-Nusra Front, al-Qaeda’s branch in Syria, are still the dominant rebel groups in the country. The U.S.-backed Free Syrian Army is still not a reliable fighting force.

 

[The_Jackal]

Yeah anything is better then Saddam.

As far as dividing Iraq goes that plan has no way to end but perpetual bloodshed not that Iraq hasn't always been like that but still. And as far as your article goes there is no war on isis so I don't know how we could be losing it. At most we authorized drone strikes and boots on the ground at certain key areas but we aren't actively hunting and engaging them directly in ground. As far as Israel goes who cares they are one of the reasons the middle east is the way it is

 

[kingblaze84]

Yeah we mostly agree on that, Israel is one of the main reasons there's so much instability in the Middle East. Any govt aligned with the west and by indirect connection Israel usually has major problems there.

I have a feeling American troops are gonna start actively hunting and engaging ISIS by sometime next year though, I heard on the radio this week that the Pentagon is planning to send specialized tanks and vehicles the Iraqis are not trained to use. Might be a sign Americans are gonna make some moves to ISIS held territory.

 

[janklow]

Good point, but that's also technically the case with Islamic State. Israel isn't too far from Islamic State, and Syria's govt, Iraq's govt and Iran are also nearby too.....

Israel has a limited ability to run wild and i think we've seen Syria and Iraq's governments were a big challenged in the face of this. plus, no one near ISIS compares to China's sway over NK.

 

[janklow]

Meanwhile, the losing American war on ISIS continues to fall apart.

wait what

ISIL a distant threat for Israel

Judging by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s speech at the United Nations earlier this week, one might think it is Israel, and not Syria or Iraq, that faces the greatest threat from the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL).

“Everywhere we look, militant Islam is on the march,” he warned, describing it as a “cancer.” At one point he deployed a Nazi reference: “The Nazis believed in a master race. The militant Islamists believe in a master faith,” he said. “They just disagree about who among them will be the master.”

The hardline group rampaging across eastern Syria and western Iraq was one of two major focal points in Netanyahu’s meeting with US President Barack Obama on Wednesday, according to advisers. Despite the rhetoric, though, analysts and security officials say Israel is actually not too concerned—yet—with ISIL. It is geographically distant, with most of its forces deployed hundreds of kilometers away from Israel’s vastly better-equipped army.

The CIA believes ISIL may have up to 30,000 fighters. But it has no airpower, and a motley collection of ground vehicles, some of which are now being blown up by a campaign of Western and Arab airstrikes. It is not a formidable threat, in other words, to one of the world’s most advanced armies....

Kurdish fighters move on ISIL's Mosul hub

Kurdish forces in Iraq have taken more ground from the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) group and are moving closer to the northern city of Mosul.

The Peshmerga, a term used by Kurds to refer to Kurdish fighters, delivered aid to Yazidi refugees on Mount Sinjar on Saturday and expanded a major offensive against ISIL in northwestern Iraq after breaking a months-old siege.

The Peshmerga closed in on Sinjar town south of the mountain and Tal Afar to its east, AFP news agency reported on Sunday.

If successful, the move would significantly alter the map of ISIL's self-declared cross-border "caliphate" and isolate its Mosul hub.

It comes as ISIL reportedly regained control of Beiji city, north of Baghdad. The battle for Beiji and its oil refinery has been running back and forth for months, with each side making gains and suffering losses in the fighting.

Pinpointing military and humanitarian aid from nations in the international struggle against the armed group.

Troops on Sunday retreated to nearby towns surrounding Beiji. ISIL is still in control of the oil refinery, which is about 15 kilometres north of the city.

The autonomous Iraqi Kurdish region's Peshmerga reached the flanks of Mount Sinjar with food and other aid three days after launching a vast operation in the region, backed by US-led coalition air strikes.

As the convoy worked its way up the mountain, a 60-kilometre-long ridge where civilians and fighters had been trapped since September, people swarmed vehicles to receive food.

Tens of thousands of members of the Yazidi religious minority were trapped on the mountain for days in the searing August heat in a first siege that sparked fears of genocide and was one of the reasons that led US President Barack Obama to launch an air campaign against ISIL.

Many were eventually evacuated when a coalition of Kurdish forces opened a corridor to Syria, and on Saturday the same factions were trying to reopen that route.

A statement from the Kurdish president's son, who also heads the Kurdish Regional Security Council (KRSC), said the Peshmerga had cleared villages on the northern side of the mountain.

The Syrian Kurdish YPG group, which has been leading the battle against ISIL in the town of Kobane on the Syrian-Turkish border, was moving south to join up with the Peshmerga.

In addition to opening a safe corridor between Sinjar and the Kurdish areas of Syria, the YPG said on Sunday it had captured seven villages from ISIL on the Syrian-Iraq border - three on the Syrian side and four on the Iraqi side.

The leaders of autonomous Kurdistan described the operation they have spearheaded since Wednesday as the most successful so far against ISIL.

After the US-led coalition paved the way with some 50 air strikes, about 8,000 Peshmerga reclaimed some 700 square kilometres.