Iraqi troops suffer mass slaughter one mile from Baghdad: the general ISIS Chat thread

[kingblaze84]

As I predicted would happen, ISIS and Al-Qaeda have been united due to American air strikes targeting both groups in Iraq and Syria...

okay, let's get some quotes from AQ proper instead of the local branch now.

America fighting all these wars worldwide reminds me of Germany's last few years of the Third Reich, and we all know how that ended up....

seriously, this is the worst, stupidest analogy you have ever used. it has the whole Godwin's Law thing AND the part where the comparison fails on multiple levels. jesus christ.

America isn't getting bombed the way Nazi Germany did in the 1940s but it's losing its wars in a similar fashion.

no, it isn't losing its wars "in a similar fashion." Germany lost its wars to a worldwide alliance of the USSR and the US. is it not IMMEDIATELY apparent to you how this comparison is fucking TRASH?

=but notice it won't dare fuck with a real powerful military, like Russia's.

wait, who are these powerful nations that want to fuck with the US's military?

also, here's your reminder that Russia THEMSELVES signed a deal to protect Ukraine's sovereignty.

YES, America losing all these wars lately does remind me of the Third Reich losing its wars (against 6 nations I believe)

against a lot more than six nations, actually. i'm not sure you were actually paying attention to this documentary.

And I didn't say America WILL end up like Germany's Third Reich, but the path it's on is very similar.

because the US spent years annexing territory it had lost to its neighbors in prior war, then made an alliance to carve up Poland? also the Holocaust?

THIS REMAINS THE STUPIDEST FUCKING ANALOGY

Germany was at war with 6 or so nations during the 1940s: Czechoslovakia, Russia, France, England, America and parts of northern Africa. Eventually, Germany got tied down fighting all these wars and it was Nazi arrogance that put them down.

...where to begin with this:

-it was more than "6 or so nations," France is more complicated than this, why did Poland get skipped, what does "parts of northern Africa mean," do we remember there we colonies during this war, did you notice Germany didn't get "tied down" so much as exhausted fighting to the extreme? ugh.

America is on a similar track because it is spending WAAAYY too much money fighting all these operations, and eventually it can break us because it leaves us open to other threats.

America did not invade a neighboring nation to start the conflict while running the Holocaust and acting on other full-scale invasions of neighboring nations. NOT A SIMILAR TRACK.

You almost completely misread my post. Notice I never said America is exactly like the Third Reich's last days, I said it is on a SIMILAR path militarily. YES I KNOW the obvious differences but to call it a stupid analogy means you're missing my point.....the Third Reich was fighting multiple nations and yes you're right it was more then 6 nations at the same damn time. And my BASIC point is that America is getting tied down in these wars in similar ways the Third Reich was getting tied down. Not on the same level and yes we're all grateful we aren't getting bombed the way arrogant Nazis thought they never could be bombed. But hey, let's all hope it stays that way.

And as far as Russia, yes we all know they're breaking the deal they signed but they know America is so tied down and losing in Iraq that it can get away with what it wants. 32 Russian tanks in Ukraine now, and America isn't doing anything. Not that I'm complaining but it's funny how America isn't even trying to back up the military deal now. And you are being naive if you don't see ANY similarities in how many wars Nazi Germany was in the 40s and the many wars America is fighting or HAS fought in the last few years or decade:

Iraq (not going well, was invaded)

Syria (not going well)

Yemen (capital of Yemen now run by anti-American forces)

Afghanistan (Taliban rules most of the nation)

Pakistan (most Pakistanis dislike Americans)

Libya for awhile (now a place where Americans can't even open an embassy)

Now look at Germany in the 40s during its last few years fighting losing campaigns.....again, America is much stronger then the Third Reich was in its last days obviously but militarily, the similarities are striking and IN FACT, will become more obvious in the months and years to come. I say that because America has a FAKE coalition in Syria and Iraq. The Kurds are the only ones who really have America's back in btw both nations.

 

[janklow]

You almost completely misread my post. Notice I never said America is exactly like the Third Reich's last days, I said it is on a SIMILAR path militarily. YES I KNOW the obvious differences but to call it a stupid analogy means you're missing my point...

i think you're missing MY point: this is a terrible fucking analogy that undermines your point and has the rest of us wasting time pointing out reasons why the military defeat of Nazi Germany is not, in fact, comparable to the US circa 2014.

no, the US was not "getting tied down in these wars in similar ways the Third Reich was getting tied down." what part of your analogy compares to the US invading Russia in 1941 after chopping up Poland with them and getting into an awe-inspiring consumption of men and material with them while liquidating thousands upon thousands of civilians?

right, i'm not worried we're not "getting bombed the way arrogant Nazis thought they never could be bombed" because the conflicts in question are NOT comparable. yes, it will stay that way because WORLD WAR FUCKING TWO is not happening right now.

...

And you are being naive if you don't see ANY similarities in how many wars Nazi Germany was in the 40s and the many wars America is fighting or HAS fought in the last few years or decade

i am not being "naive." i am listening to a top-five all-time stupid SL analogy.

let's look at some brief comparisons:

-numerous countries on your list were not invaded and annexed by the US, whereas this would be a key component of 1940s Germany;

-you're substituting "most Pakistanis dislike Americans" for things like "AND THEN THE AMERICANS OPENED A THIRD FRONT WITH THOUSANDS OF SOLDIERS IN NORTH AFRICA."

but militarily, the similarities are striking and IN FACT, will become more obvious in the months and years to come. I say that because America has a FAKE coalition in Syria and Iraq. The Kurds are the only ones who really have America's back in btw both nations.

the similarities are NOT striking. they will not become more obvious if they never start. this shit is terrible.

 

[janklow]

As I predicted would happen, ISIS and Al-Qaeda have been united due to American air strikes targeting both groups in Iraq and Syria....

ISTANBUL (AP) — Militant leaders from the Islamic State group and al-Qaida gathered at a farm house in northern Syria last week and agreed on a plan to stop fighting each other and work together against their opponents, a high-level Syrian opposition official and a rebel commander have told The Associated Press.

more topically, let me source a more specific response to this:

The Islamic State and Jabhat al-Nusra: A Looming Grand Jihadi Alliance?

By Aymenn Jawad Al-Tamimi

The international coalition- led by the U.S.- against the Islamic State [IS], with additional American airstrikes targeting the ‘Khorasan’ al-Qa’ida group in Syria (in reality just al-Qa’ida veterans from the Afghanistan-Pakistan embedded with Syria’s al-Qa’ida affiliate Jabhat al-Nusra [JN])- has prompted media speculation of a wider truce, alliance or even merger between IS and JN. For example, on 28 September, Martin Chulov of The Guardian cited a “senior source” claiming “war planning meetings” held between JN and IS leaders.

More recently, a report in The Daily Beast cited “senior Syrian opposition sources” claiming merger talks between JN, IS and ‘Khorasan’, with further allegations, also claimed by the Syrian Observatory on Human Rights, that IS provided military assistance to JN in the recent JN moves against the Syrian Revolutionaries Front [SRF], Harakat Hazm and other perceived Western-backed rebel groups in Idlib province, noting that this development was supposedly the result of an agreement struck just west of Aleppo between IS and JN in a meeting overseen by ‘Khorasan’, attended also by the independent, anti-jihadi infighting group Jund al-Aqsa, and some members of Ahrar al-Sham. Finally, a report for the Associated Press has just come out, citing an ‘FSA’ commander in Aleppo province and an opposition official, claiming an agreement between IS and JN to end infighting and cooperate to destroy common enemies, including the Kurds and SRF. Present at the meeting, as in the Daily Beast report’s claims, were ‘Khorasan’, Jund al-Aqsa and some members of Ahrar al-Sham.

Are these reports credible? In a word: No. The following should be noted:

 

[janklow]

The Islamic State and Jabhat al-Nusra: A Looming Grand Jihadi Alliance?

– The rift between JN and IS is too great to heal at this point beyond the highly localized alliance between IS and JN in Qalamoun that reflects an exceptional situation where neither group can hold territory alone and both contingents are geographically isolated from members of their groups elsewhere in Syria, in addition to being preoccupied with constant fighting with regime forces and Hezbollah. At the broader level, IS still believes that JN is guilty of “defection” (‘inshiqāq) from IS in refusing to be subsumed under what was then the Islamic State of Iraq [ISI] to form the Islamic State in Iraq and al-Sham [ISIS] back in April 2013. The zero-sum demands of IS have only solidified with the claimed Caliphate status since 29 June demanding the allegiance of all the world’s Muslims.

In turn, JN refuses even to recognize IS’ claim to be an actual state, let alone a Caliphate. This was made apparent in JN leader Abu Muhammad al-Jowlani’s recent official interview on the “White Minaret” in which he made constantly referred to IS as jamaat ad-dawla (“the group of the state”), which can only be interpreted as an insult by IS, even as Jowlani made clear he believes the international coalition is intending to destroy both JN and IS.

In this context, a careful distinction needs to be made between the situation on the ground and attempts by al-Qa’ida branches elsewhere to engage in some form of solidarity outreach to IS in the face of the international coalition as a supposed war on Islam. Thus, contrasting with Jowlani’s constant use of ‘jamaat ad-dawla’ to refer to IS, both al-Qa’ida in the Islamic Maghreb [AQIM] and al-Qa’ida in the Arabian Peninsula [AQAP] simply refer to IS as IS refers to itself: ‘ad-dawla al-islamiya’ ['The Islamic State']. However, such attempts at jihadi solidarity are ultimately incoherent ideologically: will AQAP and AQIM actually be willing to extend recognition of the Caliphate if pressed on this issue? Indeed, in the very same areas where AQAP and AQIM are operating, IS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi in his al-Furqan Media speech released yesterday rejoiced in new pledges of allegiance to IS in Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Sinai, Algeria and Libya, calling for the annulment of any separate group identities and the creation of new wilayāt ['provinces'] of IS. Will AQAP and AQIM be willing to lose their names and merge with these wilayāt? Nothing suggests any development of this sort.

 

[janklow]

The Islamic State and Jabhat al-Nusra: A Looming Grand Jihadi Alliance?

– The nature of the sourcing and content of the ‘JN-IS alliance’ reports is highly suspect. Chulov’s first report in particular is to be noted for its incoherence. While he has a source claiming war planning meetings between JN and IS, a “senior al-Nusra figure” is also mentioned as having told The Guardian that 73 members of JN had just defected to IS. What sense would there be in holding joint conferences to discuss war strategy if members of JN are at the same time leaving JN to join IS? As for the Daily Beast and Associated Press reports, the degree of overlap in the content of the two pieces- such as which groups are attending the supposed merger talks/alliance discussions- strongly suggests they are relying on the same sources. When one looks at these sources, linked as they are to the opposition-in-exile, it is clear they have an agenda to play on Western concerns about dangers of ‘Khorasan’ and the possibility, however remote, of some kind of unification between JN and IS in order to insist on the urgency of more Western support for ‘FSA’ groups to push back against jihadi forces.

On further examination, details of how this agreement between JN and IS is supposed to work come across as impractical, to put it mildly. For example, how would a joint front against Kurdish forces be opened? Would JN and IS participate in a joint offensive on Afrin? But IS is still not even in the vicinity of Afrin, and needs to retake its former border stronghold of Azaz to get there, or at least secure an access agreement through Azaz. Yet the local group that controls Azaz- Northern Storm- is currently affiliated with the Islamic Front, of which Ahrar al-Sham is still a part. Will members of Ahrar al-Sham now send a request Northern Storm to provide access to IS and cease working with other rebels to fight IS for control of Dabiq and other northern Aleppo localities? As for the other two main areas where there is a Kurdish military presence to fight- Kobani and north-east Hasakah province- there is no JN presence whatsoever, having disappeared in the vicinity of Kobani last year as members of JN in nearby towns such as Jarabulus defected to what was then ISIS, and having disappeared in Hasakah province after being subjugated under what was then ISIS at the start of this year.

On the subject of alleged JN-IS cooperation in Idlib province against SRF, there is no evidence whatsoever beyond hearsay to substantiate the claim, with any supposed photos of an IS presence in this case being the result of photoshop manipulation on social media. More importantly, the Dawn of Freedom Brigades- an ex-Liwa al-Tawheed/Islamic Front grouping primarily based in northern Aleppo province and Kobani but which also had an Idlib contingent- has denied to me the claims of IS military assistance to JN in Idlib, as IS withdrew from the province in the face of infighting with rebels at the start of this year. There might be IS sleeper cells intended to conduct sabotage operations against its rivals, but that does not satisfy the need for reliable evidence for active and open IS assistance to JN as is being claimed.

Interestingly, Dawn of Freedom had initially hoped to push back against JN for its moves against SRF and other Western-backed rebels in Idlib, originally intending to issue a 72-hour deadline for JN to withdraw from Jabal Zawiya or face war. However, realizing it was too weak to confront JN militarily, Dawn of Freedom has instead intended to focus its efforts on north Aleppo province, even as its members have now been targeted there too by JN on accusations of being Western-backed. Nonetheless, the group is not playing up any notions of a supposed new JN-IS alliance.

– In questioning the veracity of these reports, I do not intend to imply that there has been no outreach to IS by non-IS affiliated jihadis. As I have outlined previously with respect to the independent jihadi coalition Jabhat Ansar al-Din , ‘neither IS nor JN’ jihadis have generally tried to avoid fighting with IS as far as possible and have tried to avoid getting into any specifics of the JN-IS rift. It would not be surprising if members of these groups and coalitions might try- most likely on their own initiative or perhaps on an unofficial request from some members of other groups- to seek some outreach to and truce with IS on behalf of non-IS jihadis in Syria on the basis of working with IS on the grounds of common ideological end goal or enemies. However, all evidence shows that these initiatives have invariably failed (cf. Muheisseni’s failed ‘Ummah Initiative’ in January and the ‘And don’t separate’ joint jihadi offensive on Kweiris airbase that quickly collapsed), rooted in IS’ absolutism which seeks recognition of IS as the sole authority. This was so even when IS was just ISIS and ISI, which, as members of rival jihadi group Jamaat Ansar al-Islam have noted, consistently insisted on its status as a state and superior authority over others.

In short, the recent reports of supposed merger and alliance talks between JN and IS need to be taken with a pinch of salt as rebel disinformation. From JN’s perspective anyway, an alliance with IS would be strategically disastrous in the long-run, as IS will seek to subjugate it. That JN, Jabhat Ansar al-Din, al-Qa’ida branches and even more mainstream Islamists in general might see the international coalition as a war on Islam is only to be expected, and is certainly relevant to the question of whether the U.S. can build an effective local Sunni fighting force against IS in Iraq, for example. But this debate needs to be distinguished from sensationalist talk of IS-JN mergers and the like that fails to understand IS’ self-perception and how it relates to its interactions at the grand level with other groups.

 

[kingblaze84]

You almost completely misread my post. Notice I never said America is exactly like the Third Reich's last days, I said it is on a SIMILAR path militarily. YES I KNOW the obvious differences but to call it a stupid analogy means you're missing my point...

i think you're missing MY point: this is a terrible fucking analogy that undermines your point and has the rest of us wasting time pointing out reasons why the military defeat of Nazi Germany is not, in fact, comparable to the US circa 2014.

no, the US was not "getting tied down in these wars in similar ways the Third Reich was getting tied down." what part of your analogy compares to the US invading Russia in 1941 after chopping up Poland with them and getting into an awe-inspiring consumption of men and material with them while liquidating thousands upon thousands of civilians?

right, i'm not worried we're not "getting bombed the way arrogant Nazis thought they never could be bombed" because the conflicts in question are NOT comparable. yes, it will stay that way because WORLD WAR FUCKING TWO is not happening right now.

...

And you are being naive if you don't see ANY similarities in how many wars Nazi Germany was in the 40s and the many wars America is fighting or HAS fought in the last few years or decade

i am not being "naive." i am listening to a top-five all-time stupid SL analogy.

let's look at some brief comparisons:

-numerous countries on your list were not invaded and annexed by the US, whereas this would be a key component of 1940s Germany;

-you're substituting "most Pakistanis dislike Americans" for things like "AND THEN THE AMERICANS OPENED A THIRD FRONT WITH THOUSANDS OF SOLDIERS IN NORTH AFRICA."

but militarily, the similarities are striking and IN FACT, will become more obvious in the months and years to come. I say that because America has a FAKE coalition in Syria and Iraq. The Kurds are the only ones who really have America's back in btw both nations.

the similarities are NOT striking. they will not become more obvious if they never start. this shit is terrible.

You are missing the forest for the trees, again. America is much stronger then the Third Reich's last days and I don't need a history lesson, I know the obvious differences. Now the similarities I am speaking about:

In the Third Reich's last few days, it was tied down in LOSING CONFLICTS and was very hated in many parts of the world. America, in 2014, is VERY HATED IN MANY PARTS OF THE WORLD and is tied down in losing conflicts across the planet. On top of this, America's rivals across the world KNOW THIS and are able to capitalize on it (Russia in Ukraine, etc).

Germany during its last Third Reich days, lost moral authority and therefore the respect of many around the world. In 2014, SEVERAL world polls show America as the greatest threat to world peace around the world. In the 1940s, general public opinion of many around the world showed THE THIRD REICH as being the greatest threat to world peace.

Germany in its last Third Reich days, was frustrated and surprised that its great military prowess was NOT SUCCEEDING against its various enemies. America, in 2014, is feeling the same way about its military and John Mccain himself said ISIS is winning against America so far. And I mentioned the other nations which are seeing America's efforts fail MISERABLY, including the invaded nations of Iraq and Afghanistan. Obama never ended the war in Iraq, and it's a failed effort so far, the Iraqi govt has almost no control of the nation outside Baghdad. America's foreign policy of destruction and massive hypocrisy has done very well creating more enemies than America can handle. Something the Third Reich did very well in its last days as well.

Ignore those SIMILARITIES at your own peril. You would be foolish to do so. I'll add ONE MORE similarity. Germany's massive spy program against its own citizens and America's OWN massive spy program against its own citizens. Of course America's moral authority is much stronger then the Third Reich and America is not as depraved a nation as Germany's Third Reich was (to most Americans at least). And America did not annex land the way the Third Reich did.....it did so in the 1800s, not in the 1940s as Germany did (lol). If anyone else has any other similarities that I am missing, please back me up here.

 

[kingblaze84]

The Islamic State and Jabhat al-Nusra: A Looming Grand Jihadi Alliance?

– The nature of the sourcing and content of the ‘JN-IS alliance’ reports is highly suspect. Chulov’s first report in particular is to be noted for its incoherence. While he has a source claiming war planning meetings between JN and IS, a “senior al-Nusra figure” is also mentioned as having told The Guardian that 73 members of JN had just defected to IS. What sense would there be in holding joint conferences to discuss war strategy if members of JN are at the same time leaving JN to join IS? As for the Daily Beast and Associated Press reports, the degree of overlap in the content of the two pieces- such as which groups are attending the supposed merger talks/alliance discussions- strongly suggests they are relying on the same sources. When one looks at these sources, linked as they are to the opposition-in-exile, it is clear they have an agenda to play on Western concerns about dangers of ‘Khorasan’ and the possibility, however remote, of some kind of unification between JN and IS in order to insist on the urgency of more Western support for ‘FSA’ groups to push back against jihadi forces.

On further examination, details of how this agreement between JN and IS is supposed to work come across as impractical, to put it mildly. For example, how would a joint front against Kurdish forces be opened? Would JN and IS participate in a joint offensive on Afrin? But IS is still not even in the vicinity of Afrin, and needs to retake its former border stronghold of Azaz to get there, or at least secure an access agreement through Azaz. Yet the local group that controls Azaz- Northern Storm- is currently affiliated with the Islamic Front, of which Ahrar al-Sham is still a part. Will members of Ahrar al-Sham now send a request Northern Storm to provide access to IS and cease working with other rebels to fight IS for control of Dabiq and other northern Aleppo localities? As for the other two main areas where there is a Kurdish military presence to fight- Kobani and north-east Hasakah province- there is no JN presence whatsoever, having disappeared in the vicinity of Kobani last year as members of JN in nearby towns such as Jarabulus defected to what was then ISIS, and having disappeared in Hasakah province after being subjugated under what was then ISIS at the start of this year.

On the subject of alleged JN-IS cooperation in Idlib province against SRF, there is no evidence whatsoever beyond hearsay to substantiate the claim, with any supposed photos of an IS presence in this case being the result of photoshop manipulation on social media. More importantly, the Dawn of Freedom Brigades- an ex-Liwa al-Tawheed/Islamic Front grouping primarily based in northern Aleppo province and Kobani but which also had an Idlib contingent- has denied to me the claims of IS military assistance to JN in Idlib, as IS withdrew from the province in the face of infighting with rebels at the start of this year. There might be IS sleeper cells intended to conduct sabotage operations against its rivals, but that does not satisfy the need for reliable evidence for active and open IS assistance to JN as is being claimed.

Interestingly, Dawn of Freedom had initially hoped to push back against JN for its moves against SRF and other Western-backed rebels in Idlib, originally intending to issue a 72-hour deadline for JN to withdraw from Jabal Zawiya or face war. However, realizing it was too weak to confront JN militarily, Dawn of Freedom has instead intended to focus its efforts on north Aleppo province, even as its members have now been targeted there too by JN on accusations of being Western-backed. Nonetheless, the group is not playing up any notions of a supposed new JN-IS alliance.

– In questioning the veracity of these reports, I do not intend to imply that there has been no outreach to IS by non-IS affiliated jihadis. As I have outlined previously with respect to the independent jihadi coalition Jabhat Ansar al-Din , ‘neither IS nor JN’ jihadis have generally tried to avoid fighting with IS as far as possible and have tried to avoid getting into any specifics of the JN-IS rift. It would not be surprising if members of these groups and coalitions might try- most likely on their own initiative or perhaps on an unofficial request from some members of other groups- to seek some outreach to and truce with IS on behalf of non-IS jihadis in Syria on the basis of working with IS on the grounds of common ideological end goal or enemies. However, all evidence shows that these initiatives have invariably failed (cf. Muheisseni’s failed ‘Ummah Initiative’ in January and the ‘And don’t separate’ joint jihadi offensive on Kweiris airbase that quickly collapsed), rooted in IS’ absolutism which seeks recognition of IS as the sole authority. This was so even when IS was just ISIS and ISI, which, as members of rival jihadi group Jamaat Ansar al-Islam have noted, consistently insisted on its status as a state and superior authority over others.

In short, the recent reports of supposed merger and alliance talks between JN and IS need to be taken with a pinch of salt as rebel disinformation. From JN’s perspective anyway, an alliance with IS would be strategically disastrous in the long-run, as IS will seek to subjugate it. That JN, Jabhat Ansar al-Din, al-Qa’ida branches and even more mainstream Islamists in general might see the international coalition as a war on Islam is only to be expected, and is certainly relevant to the question of whether the U.S. can build an effective local Sunni fighting force against IS in Iraq, for example. But this debate needs to be distinguished from sensationalist talk of IS-JN mergers and the like that fails to understand IS’ self-perception and how it relates to its interactions at the grand level with other groups.

For the sake of America not embarrassing itself further in this conflict, I sincerely hope this report is correct. With that being said, ISIS has 200,000 fighters now according to Kurdish officials. So whether ISIS has joined with Al-Qaeda or not, ISIS members are growing day by day in a way that WILL make it inevitable that Obama will send troops directly to fight.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-of-200000-claims-kurdish-leader-9863418.html

War with Isis: Islamic militants have army of 200,000, claims senior Kurdish leader

 

[kingblaze84]

Peter Kassig, former American Iraq War veteran and ISIS hostage, died today.
http://www.clarionproject.org/news/gruesome-islamic-state-video-announces-death-peter-kassig#

 

[zombie]

You almost completely misread my post. Notice I never said America is exactly like the Third Reich's last days, I said it is on a SIMILAR path militarily. YES I KNOW the obvious differences but to call it a stupid analogy means you're missing my point...

i think you're missing MY point: this is a terrible fucking analogy that undermines your point and has the rest of us wasting time pointing out reasons why the military defeat of Nazi Germany is not, in fact, comparable to the US circa 2014.

no, the US was not "getting tied down in these wars in similar ways the Third Reich was getting tied down." what part of your analogy compares to the US invading Russia in 1941 after chopping up Poland with them and getting into an awe-inspiring consumption of men and material with them while liquidating thousands upon thousands of civilians?

right, i'm not worried we're not "getting bombed the way arrogant Nazis thought they never could be bombed" because the conflicts in question are NOT comparable. yes, it will stay that way because WORLD WAR FUCKING TWO is not happening right now.

...

And you are being naive if you don't see ANY similarities in how many wars Nazi Germany was in the 40s and the many wars America is fighting or HAS fought in the last few years or decade

i am not being "naive." i am listening to a top-five all-time stupid SL analogy.

let's look at some brief comparisons:

-numerous countries on your list were not invaded and annexed by the US, whereas this would be a key component of 1940s Germany;

-you're substituting "most Pakistanis dislike Americans" for things like "AND THEN THE AMERICANS OPENED A THIRD FRONT WITH THOUSANDS OF SOLDIERS IN NORTH AFRICA."

but militarily, the similarities are striking and IN FACT, will become more obvious in the months and years to come. I say that because America has a FAKE coalition in Syria and Iraq. The Kurds are the only ones who really have America's back in btw both nations.

the similarities are NOT striking. they will not become more obvious if they never start. this shit is terrible.

You are missing the forest for the trees, again. America is much stronger then the Third Reich's last days and I don't need a history lesson, I know the obvious differences. Now the similarities I am speaking about:

In the Third Reich's last few days, it was tied down in LOSING CONFLICTS and was very hated in many parts of the world. America, in 2014, is VERY HATED IN MANY PARTS OF THE WORLD and is tied down in losing conflicts across the planet. On top of this, America's rivals across the world KNOW THIS and are able to capitalize on it (Russia in Ukraine, etc).

Germany during its last Third Reich days, lost moral authority and therefore the respect of many around the world. In 2014, SEVERAL world polls show America as the greatest threat to world peace around the world. In the 1940s, general public opinion of many around the world showed THE THIRD REICH as being the greatest threat to world peace.

Germany in its last Third Reich days, was frustrated and surprised that its great military prowess was NOT SUCCEEDING against its various enemies. America, in 2014, is feeling the same way about its military and John Mccain himself said ISIS is winning against America so far. And I mentioned the other nations which are seeing America's efforts fail MISERABLY, including the invaded nations of Iraq and Afghanistan. Obama never ended the war in Iraq, and it's a failed effort so far, the Iraqi govt has almost no control of the nation outside Baghdad. America's foreign policy of destruction and massive hypocrisy has done very well creating more enemies than America can handle. Something the Third Reich did very well in its last days as well.

Ignore those SIMILARITIES at your own peril. You would be foolish to do so. I'll add ONE MORE similarity. Germany's massive spy program against its own citizens and America's OWN massive spy program against its own citizens. Of course America's moral authority is much stronger then the Third Reich and America is not as depraved a nation as Germany's Third Reich was (to most Americans at least). And America did not annex land the way the Third Reich did.....it did so in the 1800s, not in the 1940s as Germany did (lol). If anyone else has any other similarities that I am missing, please back me up here.

America is not tied down in losing conflicts across the planet where the fuck do you get this bullshit we have had recent armed conflicts in one part of the world. GERMANY was hated in europe even before WW1 AND during ww2 it never had any moral authority. During the 1940"s germany launched wars of outright aggression to take control of surrounding nations and they allied with nations who did the same so of course they were going to be seen as a threat to world peace. The iraq war was an attempt at nation building ww2 was a WAR of conquest. THERE IS NO SIMILARITY.

The germans knew the war was lost years before they actually lost it there are far less similarities than you think. You failed history class. You are going to compare the nsa reading our e-mail and overseas communications to the actions of the gestapo?? does that seem like a valid comparison to you??? YOU FAILED HISTORY CLASS

 

[janklow]

For the sake of America not embarrassing itself further in this conflict, I sincerely hope this report is correct.

i actually don't think the report being true or not is what will or won't save the US from embarrassing itself

 

[kingblaze84]

You almost completely misread my post. Notice I never said America is exactly like the Third Reich's last days, I said it is on a SIMILAR path militarily. YES I KNOW the obvious differences but to call it a stupid analogy means you're missing my point...

i think you're missing MY point: this is a terrible fucking analogy that undermines your point and has the rest of us wasting time pointing out reasons why the military defeat of Nazi Germany is not, in fact, comparable to the US circa 2014.

no, the US was not "getting tied down in these wars in similar ways the Third Reich was getting tied down." what part of your analogy compares to the US invading Russia in 1941 after chopping up Poland with them and getting into an awe-inspiring consumption of men and material with them while liquidating thousands upon thousands of civilians?

right, i'm not worried we're not "getting bombed the way arrogant Nazis thought they never could be bombed" because the conflicts in question are NOT comparable. yes, it will stay that way because WORLD WAR FUCKING TWO is not happening right now.

...

And you are being naive if you don't see ANY similarities in how many wars Nazi Germany was in the 40s and the many wars America is fighting or HAS fought in the last few years or decade

i am not being "naive." i am listening to a top-five all-time stupid SL analogy.

let's look at some brief comparisons:

-numerous countries on your list were not invaded and annexed by the US, whereas this would be a key component of 1940s Germany;

-you're substituting "most Pakistanis dislike Americans" for things like "AND THEN THE AMERICANS OPENED A THIRD FRONT WITH THOUSANDS OF SOLDIERS IN NORTH AFRICA."

but militarily, the similarities are striking and IN FACT, will become more obvious in the months and years to come. I say that because America has a FAKE coalition in Syria and Iraq. The Kurds are the only ones who really have America's back in btw both nations.

the similarities are NOT striking. they will not become more obvious if they never start. this shit is terrible.

You are missing the forest for the trees, again. America is much stronger then the Third Reich's last days and I don't need a history lesson, I know the obvious differences. Now the similarities I am speaking about:

In the Third Reich's last few days, it was tied down in LOSING CONFLICTS and was very hated in many parts of the world. America, in 2014, is VERY HATED IN MANY PARTS OF THE WORLD and is tied down in losing conflicts across the planet. On top of this, America's rivals across the world KNOW THIS and are able to capitalize on it (Russia in Ukraine, etc).

Germany during its last Third Reich days, lost moral authority and therefore the respect of many around the world. In 2014, SEVERAL world polls show America as the greatest threat to world peace around the world. In the 1940s, general public opinion of many around the world showed THE THIRD REICH as being the greatest threat to world peace.

Germany in its last Third Reich days, was frustrated and surprised that its great military prowess was NOT SUCCEEDING against its various enemies. America, in 2014, is feeling the same way about its military and John Mccain himself said ISIS is winning against America so far. And I mentioned the other nations which are seeing America's efforts fail MISERABLY, including the invaded nations of Iraq and Afghanistan. Obama never ended the war in Iraq, and it's a failed effort so far, the Iraqi govt has almost no control of the nation outside Baghdad. America's foreign policy of destruction and massive hypocrisy has done very well creating more enemies than America can handle. Something the Third Reich did very well in its last days as well.

Ignore those SIMILARITIES at your own peril. You would be foolish to do so. I'll add ONE MORE similarity. Germany's massive spy program against its own citizens and America's OWN massive spy program against its own citizens. Of course America's moral authority is much stronger then the Third Reich and America is not as depraved a nation as Germany's Third Reich was (to most Americans at least). And America did not annex land the way the Third Reich did.....it did so in the 1800s, not in the 1940s as Germany did (lol). If anyone else has any other similarities that I am missing, please back me up here.

America is not tied down in losing conflicts across the planet where the fuck do you get this bullshit we have had recent armed conflicts in one part of the world. GERMANY was hated in europe even before WW1 AND during ww2 it never had any moral authority. During the 1940"s germany launched wars of outright aggression to take control of surrounding nations and they allied with nations who did the same so of course they were going to be seen as a threat to world peace. The iraq war was an attempt at nation building ww2 was a WAR of conquest. THERE IS NO SIMILARITY.

The germans knew the war was lost years before they actually lost it there are far less similarities than you think. You failed history class. You are going to compare the nsa reading our e-mail and overseas communications to the actions of the gestapo?? does that seem like a valid comparison to you??? YOU FAILED HISTORY CLASS

America IS losing in conflicts across the world, the Middle East is part of the world in case you don't know that. ISIS is gaining recruits FROM ACROSS THE WORLD and America is BADLY losing the propaganda war. Even America's phony coalition isn't doing much to help America out.

You call Iraq a winning effort? You call Afghanistan a winning effort? Yemen?! LOL......I'm not saying the NSA is as bad as the Gestapo but its massive spying program has similarities (and don't forget feds can confiscate money and property WITHOUT charges, look it up yourself).

 

[zombie]

You almost completely misread my post. Notice I never said America is exactly like the Third Reich's last days, I said it is on a SIMILAR path militarily. YES I KNOW the obvious differences but to call it a stupid analogy means you're missing my point...

i think you're missing MY point: this is a terrible fucking analogy that undermines your point and has the rest of us wasting time pointing out reasons why the military defeat of Nazi Germany is not, in fact, comparable to the US circa 2014.

no, the US was not "getting tied down in these wars in similar ways the Third Reich was getting tied down." what part of your analogy compares to the US invading Russia in 1941 after chopping up Poland with them and getting into an awe-inspiring consumption of men and material with them while liquidating thousands upon thousands of civilians?

right, i'm not worried we're not "getting bombed the way arrogant Nazis thought they never could be bombed" because the conflicts in question are NOT comparable. yes, it will stay that way because WORLD WAR FUCKING TWO is not happening right now.

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And you are being naive if you don't see ANY similarities in how many wars Nazi Germany was in the 40s and the many wars America is fighting or HAS fought in the last few years or decade

i am not being "naive." i am listening to a top-five all-time stupid SL analogy.

let's look at some brief comparisons:

-numerous countries on your list were not invaded and annexed by the US, whereas this would be a key component of 1940s Germany;

-you're substituting "most Pakistanis dislike Americans" for things like "AND THEN THE AMERICANS OPENED A THIRD FRONT WITH THOUSANDS OF SOLDIERS IN NORTH AFRICA."

but militarily, the similarities are striking and IN FACT, will become more obvious in the months and years to come. I say that because America has a FAKE coalition in Syria and Iraq. The Kurds are the only ones who really have America's back in btw both nations.

the similarities are NOT striking. they will not become more obvious if they never start. this shit is terrible.

You are missing the forest for the trees, again. America is much stronger then the Third Reich's last days and I don't need a history lesson, I know the obvious differences. Now the similarities I am speaking about:

In the Third Reich's last few days, it was tied down in LOSING CONFLICTS and was very hated in many parts of the world. America, in 2014, is VERY HATED IN MANY PARTS OF THE WORLD and is tied down in losing conflicts across the planet. On top of this, America's rivals across the world KNOW THIS and are able to capitalize on it (Russia in Ukraine, etc).

Germany during its last Third Reich days, lost moral authority and therefore the respect of many around the world. In 2014, SEVERAL world polls show America as the greatest threat to world peace around the world. In the 1940s, general public opinion of many around the world showed THE THIRD REICH as being the greatest threat to world peace.

Germany in its last Third Reich days, was frustrated and surprised that its great military prowess was NOT SUCCEEDING against its various enemies. America, in 2014, is feeling the same way about its military and John Mccain himself said ISIS is winning against America so far. And I mentioned the other nations which are seeing America's efforts fail MISERABLY, including the invaded nations of Iraq and Afghanistan. Obama never ended the war in Iraq, and it's a failed effort so far, the Iraqi govt has almost no control of the nation outside Baghdad. America's foreign policy of destruction and massive hypocrisy has done very well creating more enemies than America can handle. Something the Third Reich did very well in its last days as well.

Ignore those SIMILARITIES at your own peril. You would be foolish to do so. I'll add ONE MORE similarity. Germany's massive spy program against its own citizens and America's OWN massive spy program against its own citizens. Of course America's moral authority is much stronger then the Third Reich and America is not as depraved a nation as Germany's Third Reich was (to most Americans at least). And America did not annex land the way the Third Reich did.....it did so in the 1800s, not in the 1940s as Germany did (lol). If anyone else has any other similarities that I am missing, please back me up here.

America is not tied down in losing conflicts across the planet where the fuck do you get this bullshit we have had recent armed conflicts in one part of the world. GERMANY was hated in europe even before WW1 AND during ww2 it never had any moral authority. During the 1940"s germany launched wars of outright aggression to take control of surrounding nations and they allied with nations who did the same so of course they were going to be seen as a threat to world peace. The iraq war was an attempt at nation building ww2 was a WAR of conquest. THERE IS NO SIMILARITY.

The germans knew the war was lost years before they actually lost it there are far less similarities than you think. You failed history class. You are going to compare the nsa reading our e-mail and overseas communications to the actions of the gestapo?? does that seem like a valid comparison to you??? YOU FAILED HISTORY CLASS

America IS losing in conflicts across the world, the Middle East is part of the world in case you don't know that. ISIS is gaining recruits FROM ACROSS THE WORLD and America is BADLY losing the propaganda war. Even America's phony coalition isn't doing much to help America out.

You call Iraq a winning effort? You call Afghanistan a winning effort? Yemen?! LOL......I'm not saying the NSA is as bad as the Gestapo but its massive spying program has similarities (and don't forget feds can confiscate money and property WITHOUT charges, look it up yourself).

the middle east is one part of the world so it alone does not qualify as all across the planet like you are trying to make it seem. Also isis is only fighting there, we won the iraq war, iraq only fell apart after the iraqi government took over we are not at war in yemen and afghanistan it still stable. the nsa is nothing like the gestapo you failed history class.

ultimately propaganda does not win wars killing the enemy does nazi germany which you clearly know very little about had great propaganda they still lost.

 

[kingblaze84]

You almost completely misread my post. Notice I never said America is exactly like the Third Reich's last days, I said it is on a SIMILAR path militarily. YES I KNOW the obvious differences but to call it a stupid analogy means you're missing my point...

i think you're missing MY point: this is a terrible fucking analogy that undermines your point and has the rest of us wasting time pointing out reasons why the military defeat of Nazi Germany is not, in fact, comparable to the US circa 2014.

no, the US was not "getting tied down in these wars in similar ways the Third Reich was getting tied down." what part of your analogy compares to the US invading Russia in 1941 after chopping up Poland with them and getting into an awe-inspiring consumption of men and material with them while liquidating thousands upon thousands of civilians?

right, i'm not worried we're not "getting bombed the way arrogant Nazis thought they never could be bombed" because the conflicts in question are NOT comparable. yes, it will stay that way because WORLD WAR FUCKING TWO is not happening right now.

...

And you are being naive if you don't see ANY similarities in how many wars Nazi Germany was in the 40s and the many wars America is fighting or HAS fought in the last few years or decade

i am not being "naive." i am listening to a top-five all-time stupid SL analogy.

let's look at some brief comparisons:

-numerous countries on your list were not invaded and annexed by the US, whereas this would be a key component of 1940s Germany;

-you're substituting "most Pakistanis dislike Americans" for things like "AND THEN THE AMERICANS OPENED A THIRD FRONT WITH THOUSANDS OF SOLDIERS IN NORTH AFRICA."

but militarily, the similarities are striking and IN FACT, will become more obvious in the months and years to come. I say that because America has a FAKE coalition in Syria and Iraq. The Kurds are the only ones who really have America's back in btw both nations.

the similarities are NOT striking. they will not become more obvious if they never start. this shit is terrible.

You are missing the forest for the trees, again. America is much stronger then the Third Reich's last days and I don't need a history lesson, I know the obvious differences. Now the similarities I am speaking about:

In the Third Reich's last few days, it was tied down in LOSING CONFLICTS and was very hated in many parts of the world. America, in 2014, is VERY HATED IN MANY PARTS OF THE WORLD and is tied down in losing conflicts across the planet. On top of this, America's rivals across the world KNOW THIS and are able to capitalize on it (Russia in Ukraine, etc).

Germany during its last Third Reich days, lost moral authority and therefore the respect of many around the world. In 2014, SEVERAL world polls show America as the greatest threat to world peace around the world. In the 1940s, general public opinion of many around the world showed THE THIRD REICH as being the greatest threat to world peace.

Germany in its last Third Reich days, was frustrated and surprised that its great military prowess was NOT SUCCEEDING against its various enemies. America, in 2014, is feeling the same way about its military and John Mccain himself said ISIS is winning against America so far. And I mentioned the other nations which are seeing America's efforts fail MISERABLY, including the invaded nations of Iraq and Afghanistan. Obama never ended the war in Iraq, and it's a failed effort so far, the Iraqi govt has almost no control of the nation outside Baghdad. America's foreign policy of destruction and massive hypocrisy has done very well creating more enemies than America can handle. Something the Third Reich did very well in its last days as well.

Ignore those SIMILARITIES at your own peril. You would be foolish to do so. I'll add ONE MORE similarity. Germany's massive spy program against its own citizens and America's OWN massive spy program against its own citizens. Of course America's moral authority is much stronger then the Third Reich and America is not as depraved a nation as Germany's Third Reich was (to most Americans at least). And America did not annex land the way the Third Reich did.....it did so in the 1800s, not in the 1940s as Germany did (lol). If anyone else has any other similarities that I am missing, please back me up here.

America is not tied down in losing conflicts across the planet where the fuck do you get this bullshit we have had recent armed conflicts in one part of the world. GERMANY was hated in europe even before WW1 AND during ww2 it never had any moral authority. During the 1940"s germany launched wars of outright aggression to take control of surrounding nations and they allied with nations who did the same so of course they were going to be seen as a threat to world peace. The iraq war was an attempt at nation building ww2 was a WAR of conquest. THERE IS NO SIMILARITY.

The germans knew the war was lost years before they actually lost it there are far less similarities than you think. You failed history class. You are going to compare the nsa reading our e-mail and overseas communications to the actions of the gestapo?? does that seem like a valid comparison to you??? YOU FAILED HISTORY CLASS

America IS losing in conflicts across the world, the Middle East is part of the world in case you don't know that. ISIS is gaining recruits FROM ACROSS THE WORLD and America is BADLY losing the propaganda war. Even America's phony coalition isn't doing much to help America out.

You call Iraq a winning effort? You call Afghanistan a winning effort? Yemen?! LOL......I'm not saying the NSA is as bad as the Gestapo but its massive spying program has similarities (and don't forget feds can confiscate money and property WITHOUT charges, look it up yourself).

the middle east is one part of the world so it alone does not qualify as all across the planet like you are trying to make it seem. Also isis is only fighting there, we won the iraq war, iraq only fell apart after the iraqi government took over we are not at war in yemen and afghanistan it still stable. the nsa is nothing like the gestapo you failed history class.

ultimately propaganda does not win wars killing the enemy does nazi germany which you clearly know very little about had great propaganda they still lost.

You are only bringing up the differences which everyone knows about regarding old Germany, I am merely speaking about the similarities, do you know what the word similarity means? We all know the differences btw the Gestapo and fed programs but ignore the fact the feds can seize property and assets WITHOUT charges and ignore all the abuses of power that comes with the ridiculous surveillance programs in America, the feds threatened Google and Yahoo for crying out loud and the worst part is despite their protests, they illegally hacked into emails and personal accounts of all kinds throughout the nation. According to many law experts all this is illegal but whatever I don't feel like arguing now. Either way, most Americans aren't happy with the massive hacking and surveillance.

ANYWAY, if you REALLY believe America's efforts in the Middle East are succeeding (HAHAHA), then keep on believing that. In a meanwhile, I'll hope things don't get any worse there. Things can't be that good in Iraq if Obama is breaking his campaign pledge to remove all troops from Iraq, he's sending them back in lol. Hope this goes well!!

 

[zombie]

@kingblaze84

The similarities are so insignificant that there can be no serious comparison between america and nazi germany, both nations had spy agencies and all the other organs of a modern state and that's about it, learn to take a fucking L your comparison is bullshit

Dummy i said we won the war in iraq and we did what's going on now in iraq is looking like what could be the start of a new war. which we will also win and will last only a few months.

 

[kingblaze84]

@kingblaze84

The similarities are so insignificant that there can be no serious comparison between america and nazi germany, both nations had spy agencies and all the other organs of a modern state and that's about it, learn to take a fucking L your comparison is bullshit

Dummy i said we won the war in iraq and we did what's going on now in iraq is looking like what could be the start of a new war. which we will also win and will last only a few months.

John Kerry himself admitted the war against ISIS will take at least a year you fucking idiot. He even suggested 3 years a few months ago dum dum. US generals on the ground also admit the war against ISIS will take years, has your stupid ass figured out America hasn't even defeated Al-Qaeda yet? What makes you think Americans can beat ISIS in a few months?

And America didn't win any war in Iraq, if they did win it Americans wouldn't be sending troops back in there AND TALKING ABOUT A WAR AGAIN. Iraqi troops were trained with billions of American dollars and all the gains were lost by Iraqi troops AND Americans because AMERICANS AIDED THE IRAQI GOVT WITH WEAPONS AND MONEY. YOU need to learn to take an L and accept it but of course, you don't know any better.

Regarding the scary similarities btw the Third Reich's final days and America losing conflict after conflict in the Middle East, read up on how Germany kept losing campaigns in its final Third Reich days, and how America is STILL losing in Afghanistan (Taliban has most of the nation), Iraq (obvious by now) and other losing efforts in Yemen and Syria. If you would have said America is in a stalemate in the nations I mentioned, I probably wouldn't even debate with you because it's a more legit case. Read a fucking book

 

[kingblaze84]

As far as Yemen, let's stop pretending things are going well for American foreign policy there. All the drones and bombs we are using in that nation to "fight terror" have caused backlash and the CAPITAL of Yemen is in the hands of anti-American forces. Arguably worse, Al-Qaeda is claiming more land in Yemen then ever before. The US allied govt of Yemen doesn't control much of the country and the most powerful forces in Yemen all hate America
http://english.alarabiya.net/en/vie...3/The-fall-of-Sanaa-What-next-for-Yemen-.html
http://hotair.com/archives/2014/09/...-of-shiite-rebels-following-bloody-offensive/

 

[janklow]

You are only bringing up the differences which everyone knows about regarding old Germany, I am merely speaking about the similarities, do you know what the word similarity means?

alright, let me point this out: a comparison is not making a list of what you call similarities and responding to differences with "i am merely speaking about the similarities." that's now how it works!

it's almost -ALMOST- like you could, in fact, criticize things without the Worst Analogy Ever being used. whoops, here it comes again:

Regarding the scary similarities btw the Third Reich's final days and America losing conflict after conflict in the Middle East, read up on how Germany kept losing campaigns in its final Third Reich days

honestly, dude, it sounds like you're the one that needs to do the reading up. the Third Reich's final days literally involve Germany being invaded on MULTIPLE fronts by an alliance of the world's major powers. oh, and the Holocaust stuff.

 

[kingblaze84]

You are only bringing up the differences which everyone knows about regarding old Germany, I am merely speaking about the similarities, do you know what the word similarity means?

alright, let me point this out: a comparison is not making a list of what you call similarities and responding to differences with "i am merely speaking about the similarities." that's now how it works!

it's almost -ALMOST- like you could, in fact, criticize things without the Worst Analogy Ever being used. whoops, here it comes again:

Regarding the scary similarities btw the Third Reich's final days and America losing conflict after conflict in the Middle East, read up on how Germany kept losing campaigns in its final Third Reich days

honestly, dude, it sounds like you're the one that needs to do the reading up. the Third Reich's final days literally involve Germany being invaded on MULTIPLE fronts by an alliance of the world's major powers. oh, and the Holocaust stuff.

SMH, it's funny how you and Zombie constantly look PAST the similarities (As few as they are but still striking) and go straight for the differences, I know the damn differences, I said over and over again that America is in a much better position then the Third Reich's final days and of course the Holocaust stuff is bad, but stop overlooking America's past genocide of Native Americans and brutal treatment of Blacks for over 300 shameful years. America was never as depraved as the Third Reich (????) but let's not act like America didn't annex tons of land themselves. I remember some people here in this forum argued America did even more evil shit then anything Germany did in another thread @indyman87

I think the thread is getting a little sidetracked with all this comparison stuff but my point is that all these expensive conflicts in Yemen, Syria, Iraq, and other areas has the risk to create worse consequences. I say this because things there don't seem to be going good with Obama sending more troops but like I said, I'll be patiently waiting to see how things get over there.....

 

[zombie]

@kingblaze84

The similarities are so insignificant that there can be no serious comparison between america and nazi germany, both nations had spy agencies and all the other organs of a modern state and that's about it, learn to take a fucking L your comparison is bullshit

Dummy i said we won the war in iraq and we did what's going on now in iraq is looking like what could be the start of a new war. which we will also win and will last only a few months.

John Kerry himself admitted the war against ISIS will take at least a year you fucking idiot. He even suggested 3 years a few months ago dum dum. US generals on the ground also admit the war against ISIS will take years, has your stupid ass figured out America hasn't even defeated Al-Qaeda yet? What makes you think Americans can beat ISIS in a few months?

And America didn't win any war in Iraq, if they did win it Americans wouldn't be sending troops back in there AND TALKING ABOUT A WAR AGAIN. Iraqi troops were trained with billions of American dollars and all the gains were lost by Iraqi troops AND Americans because AMERICANS AIDED THE IRAQI GOVT WITH WEAPONS AND MONEY. YOU need to learn to take an L and accept it but of course, you don't know any better.

Regarding the scary similarities btw the Third Reich's final days and America losing conflict after conflict in the Middle East, read up on how Germany kept losing campaigns in its final Third Reich days, and how America is STILL losing in Afghanistan (Taliban has most of the nation), Iraq (obvious by now) and other losing efforts in Yemen and Syria. If you would have said America is in a stalemate in the nations I mentioned, I probably wouldn't even debate with you because it's a more legit case. Read a fucking book

The actual fighting will take a few months maybe a year and then isis will go back to being just like al-qaeda another organization that america crushed, these people will always exist but they won't be able to take over nations anymore that's what i mean by defeat

The fact that we are going back means we won in the first place, The iraqi army getting it's ass kicked does not equal the american army getting it's ass kicked you stupid motherfucker. i think the anti-american bullshit you believe in is finally destroying your brain.

 

[kingblaze84]

@kingblaze84

The similarities are so insignificant that there can be no serious comparison between america and nazi germany, both nations had spy agencies and all the other organs of a modern state and that's about it, learn to take a fucking L your comparison is bullshit

Dummy i said we won the war in iraq and we did what's going on now in iraq is looking like what could be the start of a new war. which we will also win and will last only a few months.

John Kerry himself admitted the war against ISIS will take at least a year you fucking idiot. He even suggested 3 years a few months ago dum dum. US generals on the ground also admit the war against ISIS will take years, has your stupid ass figured out America hasn't even defeated Al-Qaeda yet? What makes you think Americans can beat ISIS in a few months?

And America didn't win any war in Iraq, if they did win it Americans wouldn't be sending troops back in there AND TALKING ABOUT A WAR AGAIN. Iraqi troops were trained with billions of American dollars and all the gains were lost by Iraqi troops AND Americans because AMERICANS AIDED THE IRAQI GOVT WITH WEAPONS AND MONEY. YOU need to learn to take an L and accept it but of course, you don't know any better.

Regarding the scary similarities btw the Third Reich's final days and America losing conflict after conflict in the Middle East, read up on how Germany kept losing campaigns in its final Third Reich days, and how America is STILL losing in Afghanistan (Taliban has most of the nation), Iraq (obvious by now) and other losing efforts in Yemen and Syria. If you would have said America is in a stalemate in the nations I mentioned, I probably wouldn't even debate with you because it's a more legit case. Read a fucking book

The actual fighting will take a few months maybe a year and then isis will go back to being just like al-qaeda another organization that america crushed, these people will always exist but they won't be able to take over nations anymore that's what i mean by defeat

The fact that we are going back means we won in the first place, The iraqi army getting it's ass kicked does not equal the american army getting it's ass kicked you stupid motherfucker. i think the anti-american bullshit you believe in is finally destroying your brain.

LOL read the book dum dum, the author agrees with me and I can put up several other books that do the same. America took out Saddam, only to get an even worse dragon then Al-Qaeda. When American troops eventually (I predict within a month) start fighting ISIS troops directly, things will get even more interesting. I shall be waiting.