Iraqi troops suffer mass slaughter one mile from Baghdad: the general ISIS Chat thread

[The_Jackal]

Kurds been smashing the fuck of isis probably one of the most stable countries political and military wise in that region

 

[kingblaze84]

Good point, but that's also technically the case with Islamic State. Israel isn't too far from Islamic State, and Syria's govt, Iraq's govt and Iran are also nearby too.....

Israel has a limited ability to run wild and i think we've seen Syria and Iraq's governments were a big challenged in the face of this. plus, no one near ISIS compares to China's sway over NK.

Yeah China has sway over NK but it hasn't stopped North Korea from making threats not just to the United States, but also directly to the White House. But we feel safe because we assume China will check NK from doing anything too outrageous, although NK several times has killed SK soldiers and marines and gotten away with it, as recently as a few years ago lol. NK gets away with a lot and its regime and China's govt agencies (maybe WITH NK) are known for cyber hacking American govt and businesses. Better then all out war of course and it's the same stance we should take with the growing Islamic State.

Meanwhile, ISIS is being attacked by the Kurds, Iran, Iraq's weak but still loyal Shiite govt, Jordan, Syria's govt, and many others. I think that's enough people taking on ISIS. If we can let NK slide with its many death threats against us, then this long and black hole war (going on since 2003 now) can be avoided.

 

[kingblaze84]

Meanwhile, the losing American war on ISIS continues to fall apart.

wait what

ISIL a distant threat for Israel

Judging by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s speech at the United Nations earlier this week, one might think it is Israel, and not Syria or Iraq, that faces the greatest threat from the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL).

“Everywhere we look, militant Islam is on the march,” he warned, describing it as a “cancer.” At one point he deployed a Nazi reference: “The Nazis believed in a master race. The militant Islamists believe in a master faith,” he said. “They just disagree about who among them will be the master.”

The hardline group rampaging across eastern Syria and western Iraq was one of two major focal points in Netanyahu’s meeting with US President Barack Obama on Wednesday, according to advisers. Despite the rhetoric, though, analysts and security officials say Israel is actually not too concerned—yet—with ISIL. It is geographically distant, with most of its forces deployed hundreds of kilometers away from Israel’s vastly better-equipped army.

The CIA believes ISIL may have up to 30,000 fighters. But it has no airpower, and a motley collection of ground vehicles, some of which are now being blown up by a campaign of Western and Arab airstrikes. It is not a formidable threat, in other words, to one of the world’s most advanced armies....

Kurdish fighters move on ISIL's Mosul hub

Kurdish forces in Iraq have taken more ground from the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) group and are moving closer to the northern city of Mosul.

The Peshmerga, a term used by Kurds to refer to Kurdish fighters, delivered aid to Yazidi refugees on Mount Sinjar on Saturday and expanded a major offensive against ISIL in northwestern Iraq after breaking a months-old siege.

The Peshmerga closed in on Sinjar town south of the mountain and Tal Afar to its east, AFP news agency reported on Sunday.

If successful, the move would significantly alter the map of ISIL's self-declared cross-border "caliphate" and isolate its Mosul hub.

It comes as ISIL reportedly regained control of Beiji city, north of Baghdad. The battle for Beiji and its oil refinery has been running back and forth for months, with each side making gains and suffering losses in the fighting.

Pinpointing military and humanitarian aid from nations in the international struggle against the armed group.

Troops on Sunday retreated to nearby towns surrounding Beiji. ISIL is still in control of the oil refinery, which is about 15 kilometres north of the city.

The autonomous Iraqi Kurdish region's Peshmerga reached the flanks of Mount Sinjar with food and other aid three days after launching a vast operation in the region, backed by US-led coalition air strikes.

As the convoy worked its way up the mountain, a 60-kilometre-long ridge where civilians and fighters had been trapped since September, people swarmed vehicles to receive food.

Tens of thousands of members of the Yazidi religious minority were trapped on the mountain for days in the searing August heat in a first siege that sparked fears of genocide and was one of the reasons that led US President Barack Obama to launch an air campaign against ISIL.

Many were eventually evacuated when a coalition of Kurdish forces opened a corridor to Syria, and on Saturday the same factions were trying to reopen that route.

A statement from the Kurdish president's son, who also heads the Kurdish Regional Security Council (KRSC), said the Peshmerga had cleared villages on the northern side of the mountain.

The Syrian Kurdish YPG group, which has been leading the battle against ISIL in the town of Kobane on the Syrian-Turkish border, was moving south to join up with the Peshmerga.

In addition to opening a safe corridor between Sinjar and the Kurdish areas of Syria, the YPG said on Sunday it had captured seven villages from ISIL on the Syrian-Iraq border - three on the Syrian side and four on the Iraqi side.

The leaders of autonomous Kurdistan described the operation they have spearheaded since Wednesday as the most successful so far against ISIL.

After the US-led coalition paved the way with some 50 air strikes, about 8,000 Peshmerga reclaimed some 700 square kilometres.

Wow that's really interesting about the Kurds, didn't know they were making moves deep like that. Good for them.

And yeah ISIS has no real air power (minus their shoulder missiles which possibly took down a Jordanian pilot today), so Israel has reason to not feel too worried. Glad I saw all that because it only reinforces my belief that this growing war is unnecessary. Even if America wasn't involved, I'm sure Syria and Iran would have kept ISIS in check, each nation has said they don't want or even need America's help.

 

[janklow]

Yeah China has sway over NK but it hasn't stopped North Korea from making threats not just to the United States, but also directly to the White House. But we feel safe because we assume China will check NK from doing anything too outrageous, although NK several times has killed SK soldiers and marines and gotten away with it, as recently as a few years ago lol. NK gets away with a lot and its regime and China's govt agencies (maybe WITH NK) are known for cyber hacking American govt and businesses.

well, we're comparing NK in their region to ISIS in theirs. China can't prevent NK from doing every crazy thing they do, of course.

And yeah ISIS has no real air power (minus their shoulder missiles which possibly took down a Jordanian pilot today), so Israel has reason to not feel too worried. Glad I saw all that because it only reinforces my belief that this growing war is unnecessary. Even if America wasn't involved, I'm sure Syria and Iran would have kept ISIS in check, each nation has said they don't want or even need America's help.

MANPADS would not be considered air power, to be fair. also, same remarks repeated for Syria, but do also remember there's an element of Iran's remarks to that effect that's sort of theatre.

 

[kingblaze84]

Islamic State is becoming a failed state according to the Washington Post......people who live there say living conditions are starting to become miserable and it may open the way for ISIS to wage a new war: against its own citizens who are starting to despise them for the constant wars they're always in.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...092-11e4-b936-f3afab0155a7_story.html?hpid=z1

 

[kingblaze84]

Yeah China has sway over NK but it hasn't stopped North Korea from making threats not just to the United States, but also directly to the White House. But we feel safe because we assume China will check NK from doing anything too outrageous, although NK several times has killed SK soldiers and marines and gotten away with it, as recently as a few years ago lol. NK gets away with a lot and its regime and China's govt agencies (maybe WITH NK) are known for cyber hacking American govt and businesses.

well, we're comparing NK in their region to ISIS in theirs. China can't prevent NK from doing every crazy thing they do, of course.

And yeah ISIS has no real air power (minus their shoulder missiles which possibly took down a Jordanian pilot today), so Israel has reason to not feel too worried. Glad I saw all that because it only reinforces my belief that this growing war is unnecessary. Even if America wasn't involved, I'm sure Syria and Iran would have kept ISIS in check, each nation has said they don't want or even need America's help.

MANPADS would not be considered air power, to be fair. also, same remarks repeated for Syria, but do also remember there's an element of Iran's remarks to that effect that's sort of theatre.

Iran's remarks could be theater but with all the anti-ISIS sentiment going on in the Middle East, I don't think America's help is needed in the fight. The more involved America becomes, the more recruits and followers ISIS will get. My words have been proven true over and over again. The war on terror has cost Americans over 2 trillion dollars, imagine what cities and towns could have done with two trillion dollars.

 

[janklow]

Islamic State is becoming a failed state according to the Washington Post...

actually, this was a point people predicted some time ago: it's a lot easier to look good running around in trucks picking off low-hanging fruit; it's a lot harder to run a state for real.

Iran's remarks could be theater but with all the anti-ISIS sentiment going on in the Middle East, I don't think America's help is needed in the fight.

the remarks are theater because there's things the US can do that Iran simply can't. and to be honest, it's actually not a terrible thing for the US and Iran to have common cause on something.

 

[kingblaze84]

Islamic State is becoming a failed state according to the Washington Post...

actually, this was a point people predicted some time ago: it's a lot easier to look good running around in trucks picking off low-hanging fruit; it's a lot harder to run a state for real.

Iran's remarks could be theater but with all the anti-ISIS sentiment going on in the Middle East, I don't think America's help is needed in the fight.

the remarks are theater because there's things the US can do that Iran simply can't. and to be honest, it's actually not a terrible thing for the US and Iran to have common cause on something.

Yeah ISIS seems to be in way over its head, they punish hospital workers for smoking by sending them to jail, although there are already very few hospital workers lol. The Syrians, Iranians and Kurds are gonna have a field day with them if this dumb behavior continues.

It is true America can do things Iran can't, but I won't be pleased if this war turns into another trillion dollar plus disaster. So far, things aren't going great for America there but it's not horrible for Americans either. For now

 

[janklow]

Yeah ISIS seems to be in way over its head, they punish hospital workers for smoking by sending them to jail, although there are already very few hospital workers lol. The Syrians, Iranians and Kurds are gonna have a field day with them if this dumb behavior continues.

it's also a failing of fundamentalists we've seen before in Iraq

It is true America can do things Iran can't, but I won't be pleased if this war turns into another trillion dollar plus disaster.

i don't think there's anyone that actually wants to see that (okay, maybe ISIS)

 

[kingblaze84]

Yeah ISIS seems to be in way over its head, they punish hospital workers for smoking by sending them to jail, although there are already very few hospital workers lol. The Syrians, Iranians and Kurds are gonna have a field day with them if this dumb behavior continues.

it's also a failing of fundamentalists we've seen before in Iraq

It is true America can do things Iran can't, but I won't be pleased if this war turns into another trillion dollar plus disaster.

i don't think there's anyone that actually wants to see that (okay, maybe ISIS)

Yeah ISIS and its buddies definitely want to see a trillion dollar war, fought by American soldiers. They don't care about their own life, so it's gonna be crazy hard to beat an enemy like this. Even if ISIS was to lose that war, I don't see the Middle East map ever being the same again. The way Iraq and Syria used to be seen on maps is no more forever (time for the world to start updating its maps imo) so even if ISIS is completely taken out, who will fill the void of the many Sunnis in Iraq and their sympathizers who hate America, Syrian and Baghdad govts more then life itself?

With very few others ready to fill that void, it to me means Islamic State will be a struggling, but still solid state on its own. If horrible healthcare, bad water, and bombings from 5-10 different nations couldn't cripple Islamic State by now, then I don't know what will.

 

[kingblaze84]

American soldiers chased out of American base in Iraq
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...a57c3a-9038-11e4-ba53-a477d66580ed_story.html

In Iraq’s western Anbar province, more than 300 U.S. troops are posted at a base in the thick of a pitched battle between Iraqi forces, backed by tribal fighters, and well-armed Islamic State militants.

The militants, positioned at a nearby town, have repeatedly hit the base with artillery or rocket fire in recent weeks. Since the middle of December, the U.S.-led military coalition has launched 13 airstrikes around the facility.

U.S. troops have suffered no casualties as a result of the attacks. But the violence has underlined the risks to American personnel as they fan out across Iraq as part of President Obama’s expanding mission against the Islamic State, even as he has pledged U.S. operations will not “involve American combat troops fighting on foreign soil.”

In a sign of the risk, military officials said American soldiers have been ferried out to the Ayn al-Asad base under the cover of night by helicopter — partly to maintain a low profile for the renewed U.S. operation in Iraq, but also to protect soldiers amid fierce fighting west of the capital, Baghdad.

DAMN!!! The weapons and ammo ISIS used must have been incredibly powerful to get American troops removed from a base that ALSO had Iraqi protection. I say that because the article notes most of the bullets and rockets missed, but it spooked the troops enough to leave.

 

[janklow]

DAMN!!! The weapons and ammo ISIS used must have been incredibly powerful to get American troops removed from a base that ALSO had Iraqi protection.

uh... i think you missed the obvious explanation: "partly to maintain a low profile for the renewed U.S. operation in Iraq." the rest is just "if someone from the US gets killed, we'll have to be honest about boots on the ground.

 

[janklow]

also...

Iraqi forces 'retake Dhuluiyah from ISIL'

Iraqi forces have completed the recapture of Dhuluiyah, parts of which had been held by the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) for months, commanders have said.

Pro-government forces had pushed into the town, located 90km outside Baghdad, from the north two days earlier, fighting their way south.

"Forces from the army and the police and [militiamen] and tribal fighters succeeded today in regaining control of Dhuluiyah," an army major general told the AFP news agency on Tuesday.

The officer said that 50 military vehicles advanced from the north and linked up with allied forces in the town's southern Jubur area, which had resisted repeated assault by ISIL.

This "means the complete liberation of Dhuluiyah and the end of the [ISIL] presence," he added.

A leader in the Shia Badr militia, which took part in the operation, confirmed the "complete liberation of Dhuluiyah".

"We succeeded in breaking the blockade which was imposed by [ISIL] on the Jubur tribe," the commander said.

People fired in the air and honked car horns in celebration, according to a policeman in the town, which is strategically located on roads linking the eastern province of Diyala to Salaheddin province in the north.

Omar al-Juburi, a leader of the tribal forces battling ISIL, said earlier that military reinforcements had arrived to carry out a renewed push to retake the town.

Clashes took place in some areas on Tuesday where IS forces were holed up in houses, Juburi said.

ISIL fighters have been carrying out "suicide attacks" on pro-government forces, he added.

On Monday, ISIL published pictures online showing what it described as battles in Dhuluiyah.

In one of the pictures, fighters are seen rigging a car with explosives, while another shows a man carrying out a suicide attack on government forces.

The Iraqi defence ministry said on Monday that government warplanes had carried out raids against ISIL positions in the town.

Coalition air strikes

In October, Iraqi forces retook most of Dhuluiyah from ISIL, but the armed group later launched a counter-offensive and were able to recapture ground.

Since Sunday government forces backed by Sunni tribesmen and Shia militiamen have been clearing bombs and other explosives placed by the ISIL in various parts of the town.

ISIL spearheaded an offensive in June that overran Iraq's second city Mosul and then swept through much of the country's Sunni Arab heartland.

Backed by US-led air strikes, Kurdish forces, Shia militias and Sunni tribesmen, Iraqi troops have since managed to wrest back some territory, but three major cities and swathes of other territory are still outside government control.

The US-led coalition announced that it had carried out eight air strikes against ISIL in Iraq on Tuesday, targeting fighters as well as vehicles and buildings used by the fighters.

It also launched seven raids in Syria, where ISIL has also seized large areas for its self-proclaimed cross-border Islamic "caliphate".

 

[kingblaze84]

DAMN!!! The weapons and ammo ISIS used must have been incredibly powerful to get American troops removed from a base that ALSO had Iraqi protection.

uh... i think you missed the obvious explanation: "partly to maintain a low profile for the renewed U.S. operation in Iraq." the rest is just "if someone from the US gets killed, we'll have to be honest about boots on the ground.

Maybe but it's always huge news when American soldiers get pushed away from its own military base. I do agree that this was done to prevent American troops from dying, as Obama wishes to keep up his fantasy of "no boots being on the ground". If American troops were to start dying in Iraq all over again, then people would know for sure the "no boots on the ground" phrase were pure lies.

 

[kingblaze84]

also...

Iraqi forces 'retake Dhuluiyah from ISIL'

Iraqi forces have completed the recapture of Dhuluiyah, parts of which had been held by the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) for months, commanders have said.

Pro-government forces had pushed into the town, located 90km outside Baghdad, from the north two days earlier, fighting their way south.

"Forces from the army and the police and [militiamen] and tribal fighters succeeded today in regaining control of Dhuluiyah," an army major general told the AFP news agency on Tuesday.

The officer said that 50 military vehicles advanced from the north and linked up with allied forces in the town's southern Jubur area, which had resisted repeated assault by ISIL.

This "means the complete liberation of Dhuluiyah and the end of the [ISIL] presence," he added.

A leader in the Shia Badr militia, which took part in the operation, confirmed the "complete liberation of Dhuluiyah".

"We succeeded in breaking the blockade which was imposed by [ISIL] on the Jubur tribe," the commander said.

People fired in the air and honked car horns in celebration, according to a policeman in the town, which is strategically located on roads linking the eastern province of Diyala to Salaheddin province in the north.

Omar al-Juburi, a leader of the tribal forces battling ISIL, said earlier that military reinforcements had arrived to carry out a renewed push to retake the town.

Clashes took place in some areas on Tuesday where IS forces were holed up in houses, Juburi said.

ISIL fighters have been carrying out "suicide attacks" on pro-government forces, he added.

On Monday, ISIL published pictures online showing what it described as battles in Dhuluiyah.

In one of the pictures, fighters are seen rigging a car with explosives, while another shows a man carrying out a suicide attack on government forces.

The Iraqi defence ministry said on Monday that government warplanes had carried out raids against ISIL positions in the town.

Coalition air strikes

In October, Iraqi forces retook most of Dhuluiyah from ISIL, but the armed group later launched a counter-offensive and were able to recapture ground.

Since Sunday government forces backed by Sunni tribesmen and Shia militiamen have been clearing bombs and other explosives placed by the ISIL in various parts of the town.

ISIL spearheaded an offensive in June that overran Iraq's second city Mosul and then swept through much of the country's Sunni Arab heartland.

Backed by US-led air strikes, Kurdish forces, Shia militias and Sunni tribesmen, Iraqi troops have since managed to wrest back some territory, but three major cities and swathes of other territory are still outside government control.

The US-led coalition announced that it had carried out eight air strikes against ISIL in Iraq on Tuesday, targeting fighters as well as vehicles and buildings used by the fighters.

It also launched seven raids in Syria, where ISIL has also seized large areas for its self-proclaimed cross-border Islamic "caliphate".

One town down, a few thousand more to go lol.....I give those Kurds credit, they don't back down from anyone.

 

[kingblaze84]

American special forces tried to rescue the famous captured, Jordanian pilot from ISIS last night and.....you guessed it.....they were pushed back. AGAIN. The two helicopters carrying the special forces went through so much incoming fire it completely abandoned the mission. This is NOT a war Americans want to see fully on the ground, ISIS isn't fucking around when it comes to shooting American soldiers. I can see now why Jordan, Saudi Arabia and Turkey want Americans to do all the work. Vietnam part 2, here we go
http://www.inquisitr.com/1721785/is...ned-after-u-s-special-forces-take-heavy-fire/

ISIS hostage rescue attempts by U.S. Special Forces were abandoned after the team took heavy fire in Syria. Jordanian fighter pilot Muadh al-Kasasbeh was reportedly being held in the Islamic State stronghold of Raqqa – in northern Syria.

The U.S. Special Forces were carried to Syria to rescue the Jordanian fighter pilot via two gunships. Muadh al-Kasasbeh was captured by ISIS on December 24. Heavy raids on Islamic State fighters were carried out by coalition troops during the rescue attempt last night.

Read more athttp://www.inquisitr.com/1721785/is...l-forces-take-heavy-fire/#GP78wZ8wwMvLFyBc.99

 

[The_Jackal]

Do you know the difference between. A gunship, a stricly transport ship, and a fighter pilot. An ACH-130 is mainly used for air support and convoy support of course it's going to have a harder time to make a strict dropoff and pickup. And even in your report it mentions how us fighter pilots have successfully bombed isis targets.

 

[janklow]

Maybe but it's always huge news when American soldiers get pushed away from its own military base.

however, you seem to be reaching to state this as dramatically as possible. the base in question has hosted between 50-350 personnel currently; back when it was actually an American base, it had more than 10 times that. it's not really "their own military base."

but yes, i do agree it's to save face before anything that'll look bad on the news happens.

 

[janklow]

American special forces tried to rescue the famous captured, Jordanian pilot from ISIS last night and.....you guessed it.....they were pushed back. AGAIN.

uh, you do understand that these missions are about small numbers of personnel and generally very dependent on the element of surprise?

 

[kingblaze84]

American special forces tried to rescue the famous captured, Jordanian pilot from ISIS last night and.....you guessed it.....they were pushed back. AGAIN.

uh, you do understand that these missions are about small numbers of personnel and generally very dependent on the element of surprise?

Yeah either way, it's not a good sign for things to come. And if anything, means MORE troops and helicopters will now be used to have a handle on situations there. That's also not good, considering what happened from 2003-2011. I have a few friends in the military and I'm a little worried for them. Then again, they know what they signed up for but all these setbacks are a sign more and more troops will now be used, since these small operations aren't working great over there. ISIS still has huge cities in its command after 7 months, sooner or later bigger operations are going to be used, and that's why I'm bringing these events up. Vietnam Part 2 as I said (when smaller operations fail miserably, in recent American history, operations tend to get bigger)