Illuminati Organizational Structure

[major pain]

WHICH I CHOSE NOT TO BREAK DOWN FOR U

LOL, sure dude, whatever you say.

Freemasonry is the binding glue of Global order. it was the main inspiration for revolutionary groups during the unification of Italy & many other groups that I already mentioned. Freemasonic influence is everywhere & INVOLVED IN EVERY SITUATION. your problem is u think Freemasonry is only philanthropic. the New World Order has already been cemented since Europe dominated globally after 1492 A.D. anybody in Europe's cross-hairs has gotten smashed. the facts are laid out in actual events.

For you to speak on my views you would have to know me. I'm fully aware that many revolutionary people around the world have been masons. It would give me no greater pleasure than to know that masons are behind everything, but its simply not true.

What exactly are you trying to say by posting pictures of RAM members, NoI members, coliseums and senates? I'm completely being serious.

 

[musicology1985]

LOL, sure dude, whatever you say.

For you to speak on my views you would have to know me. I'm fully aware that many revolutionary people around the world have been masons. It would give me no greater pleasure than to know that masons are behind everything, but its simply not true.

What exactly are you trying to say by posting pictures of RAM members, NoI members, coliseums and senates? I'm completely being serious.

I didn't say Freemasonry is behind everything. I said it is the binding glue of global order. it brings people together for a common cause which could be good or bad depending on the situation. none of what has happened on the grand stage of western world affairs would have been possible without Freemasonry.

what am I trying to say? I already said it on the first page. 1. Freemasonry is the binding glue of global order.
2. the Roman Expansion never ended. your just dense.

 

[musicology1985]

Roman Law=British Law=U.S. Law THIS IS FACT MAJOR PAIN.

In a court of law, prosecutors convict people off of Conspiracy. Yes it is true. They connect dots, cut deals & send people away for life, most of the time based on heresy, while people like u accept that. But u got the nerve to say my conspiracy's can't be proven. That's utter B.S. & typical bias.

 

[major pain]

I didn't say Freemasonry is behind everything. I said it is the binding glue of global order. it brings people together for a common cause which could be good or bad depending on the situation. none of what has happened on the grand stage of western world affairs would have been possible without Freemasonry.

what am I trying to say? I already said it on the first page. 1. Freemasonry is the binding glue of global order.
2. the Roman Expansion never ended. your just dense.

Oh I'm sorry, when you said,

Freemasonic influence is everywhere & INVOLVED IN EVERY SITUATION.

I thought it meant you were saying its behind everything, in other words INVOLVED IN EVERY SITUATION, MY BAD...

I'm assuming you were trying to make a connection between the RAM picture and the NoI. So suits and bowties are somehow evidence of maosnry's influence of the NoI? Or am I missing something there...

Roman Law=British Law=U.S. Law THIS IS FACT MAJOR PAIN.

In a court of law, prosecutors convict people off of Conspiracy. Yes it is true. They connect dots, cut deals & send people away for life, most of the time based on heresy, while people like u accept that. But u got the nerve to say my conspiracy's can't be proven. That's utter B.S. & typical bias.

LOL... if you knew anything of the law, you would know its EVIDENCE of a conspiracy that gets people convicted... Also, I never said your ideas cant be proven, just that you have failed to do so, yet. I'll wait it out a little bit longer to see if you can come up with anything solid proof.

 

[musicology1985]

Oh I'm sorry, when you said, it meant you were saying its behind everything, in other words INVOLVED IN EVERY SITUATION, MY BAD...

I'm assuming you were trying to make a connection between the RAM picture and the NoI. So suits and bowties are somehow evidence of maosnry's influence of the NoI? Or am I missing something there...

LOL... if you knew anything of the law, you would know its EVIDENCE of a conspiracy that gets people convicted... Also, I never said your ideas cant be proven, just that you have failed to do so, yet. I'll wait it out a little bit longer to see if you can come up with anything solid proof.

just because Freemasons are involved in the major stuff that goes down does not mean that they are always the initiator or dominant partner.

and yes, the bow ties, way of dress, organizational structure & philanthropic duties were all borrowed from Freemasonry. that's just what it is. even the FOI dress like Freemasons in cadet style (couldn't find the pics but when I do I'll post em.) of course that's not enough proof for u but that's what it is. there are many more connections as well. their leader & the most powerful black American is a Freemason. u on that bullshit to the tenth power.

also, in a court of law MANY TIMES THEY DON'T HAVE PROOF BUT GET THE CONVICTION ANYWAY. u are so full of crap it's laughable. many prisoners are let out every year with monetary compensation due to the Governments Conspiracy Theory's. and u believe em! LOL typical Official Freemason. that's why the craft is the binding glue. official Freemasons like u support law which is based on British Law by any means while many unofficial Freemasons work outside the Law. shit's genius. all the while u sit here thinking ur the purist and if it doesn't convince u it's not true. utter nonsense.

o yeah, and my evidence is all throughout this thread. and stop saying u gonna wait around a little longer for proof, u been saying that since August 09 (named after the Emperor Augustus, more proof the Roman expansion continued.) we all know u lying and will dispute Freemasonry's connections to the global conspiracy til the end. we know your M.O. Mr. Pain.

 

[musicology1985]

oh yeah, and I got real York Rite Freemason's & Prince Hall Freemason's that agree with me. so I know that not all official Freemasons are as dense as u. I'm going to take a break now, if u got a rebuttal I'll be back later.

 

[independentsoundlab]

Look, let me try and be clear. I'm willing to subscribe to the theory, that somewhere, there is a group(s) of people with bad intentions. What I have a hard time believing is these groups are connected directly with a philanthropic organization like masonry. You mentioned the grove.. assuming bohemian grove, there is nothing that suggests those men are masons. Maybe some are some arent, but there is no evidence of such. Its the same with people claiming jay-z is a mason. It seems as if something is supposedly carried out by a secret society, masonry is somehow connected. When in actuality, if any of these people ever got the chance to learn exactly what it is we do, the notions that masons are behind them seem silly.

There will never be a 1 world government, in my opinion, because no country that is self-sustained will ever be subordinate to another. You really think Japan is going to take a backseat to an american ruler, or vice versa? Believe what you will, I only ask what exactly have you seen that makes you say these things? Most people's information I have seen come from websites that have an agenda and are generally false.

As long as you subscribe to the "theory".. i guess settles it.. like most of the shit thats available is somewhat tainted.. because who trusts them? who are they? what are they trying to accomplish by exposing the masons/illuminati? 8/10 the shit on the internet is wrong anyway.. but you guys ask for too much evidence that one cant bring forth..

like JayZ.. he was cool with the Nuwaubian Nation niggas.. even had pictures with Malachi and doing hand gestures with the guy... all i can find was this video down below.. you see the mason gear and all that.. Malachi is locked up for life now, supposedly setup by his son who is in the music business.. Malachi was exposing alot of that.. Jay Z at least was a mason at one point in his life or to me still is.. why else would he be in gracie mansion taking pictures with the mayor and all that? obama texting the dude? since when rappers become political figures?? i never seen nas going to gracie.. did you? If i EVER find something solid.. i will present it..

i found an interesting video about the asian masons beef with european masons, about the war, money, and territory.. ill post up later..

but i agree with the 1 world gov.. never will happen.. unless something catastrophic happens.. i gotta agree with musicology.. masons got alot of power and "regular" people are just out of it and consider us to be fucking insane.. but hey..

and yall 2 should put the boxing gloves on..

[video=youtube;4odAKG0QFEQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4odAKG0QFEQ[/video]

 

[musicology1985]

As long as you subscribe to the "theory".. i guess settles it.. like most of the shit thats available is somewhat tainted.. because who trusts them? who are they? what are they trying to accomplish by exposing the masons/illuminati? 8/10 the shit on the internet is wrong anyway.. but you guys ask for too much evidence that one cant bring forth..
like JayZ.. he was cool with the Nuwaubian Nation niggas.. even had pictures with Malachi and doing hand gestures with the guy... all i can find was this video down below.. you see the mason gear and all that.. Malachi is locked up for life now, supposedly setup by his son who is in the music business.. Malachi was exposing alot of that.. Jay Z at least was a mason at one point in his life or to me still is.. why else would he be in gracie mansion taking pictures with the mayor and all that? obama texting the dude? since when rappers become political figures?? i never seen nas going to gracie.. did you? If i EVER find something solid.. i will present it..

i found an interesting video about the asian masons beef with european masons, about the war, money, and territory.. ill post up later..
but i agree with the 1 world gov.. never will happen.. unless something catastrophic happens.. i gotta agree with musicology.. masons got alot of power and "regular" people are just out of it and consider us to be fucking insane.. but hey..

and yall 2 should put the boxing gloves on..

[video=youtube;4odAKG0QFEQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4odAKG0QFEQ[/video]

Jay Z is Ordo Templi Orientis (an organization influenced by official Freemasonry like many others). He used to be affiliated with Nuwaupian. and people don't think I'm crazy & I vibe good with most black Freemasons. I got family in it and I could have been in it myself but I turned it down. I bring Facts with my Conspiracy theories.

 

[major pain]

just because Freemasons are involved in the major stuff that goes down does not mean that they are always the initiator or dominant partner.

and yes, the bow ties, way of dress, organizational structure & philanthropic duties were all borrowed from Freemasonry. that's just what it is. even the FOI dress like Freemasons in cadet style (couldn't find the pics but when I do I'll post em.) of course that's not enough proof for u but that's what it is. there are many more connections as well. their leader & the most powerful black American is a Freemason. u on that bullshit to the tenth power.

also, in a court of law MANY TIMES THEY DON'T HAVE PROOF BUT GET THE CONVICTION ANYWAY. u are so full of crap it's laughable. many prisoners are let out every year with monetary compensation due to the Governments Conspiracy Theory's. and u believe em! LOL typical Official Freemason. that's why the craft is the binding glue. official Freemasons like u support law which is based on British Law by any means while many unofficial Freemasons work outside the Law. shit's genius. all the while u sit here thinking ur the purist and if it doesn't convince u it's not true. utter nonsense.

o yeah, and my evidence is all throughout this thread. and stop saying u gonna wait around a little longer for proof, u been saying that since August 09 (named after the Emperor Augustus, more proof the Roman expansion continued.) we all know u lying and will dispute Freemasonry's connections to the global conspiracy til the end. we know your M.O. Mr. Pain.

LMAO.. .so anyone that dresses in a suit and a bowtie is influenced by masonry? Seriously? That PROVES it? Farrakhan being a mason means what to the NoI exactly? LOL you care more about who is and isnt a mason than I do... shiyat...

 

[major pain]

oh yeah, and I got real York Rite Freemason's & Prince Hall Freemason's that agree with me. so I know that not all official Freemasons are as dense as u. I'm going to take a break now, if u got a rebuttal I'll be back later.

Being in the York Rite doesnt mean you cant be stupid enough to believe what you are saying without proof.

 

[musicology1985]

LMAO.. .so anyone that dresses in a suit and a bowtie is influenced by masonry? Seriously? That PROVES it? Farrakhan being a mason means what to the NoI exactly? LOL you care more about who is and isnt a mason than I do... shiyat...

the NOI was greatly influenced by Freemasonry (not Masonry in general because that could mean many things.) there are many more ties that I will not go into here. and it's not just the clothes, it's the organizational structure, philanthropic duties & reliance on the Bible.

oh yeah, AND ELIJAH MUHAMMAD WAS A PRINCE HALL FREEMASON AS WELL. the NOI has been dominated by Prince Hall leadership since 1933. Facts is facts

 

[musicology1985]

Being in the York Rite doesnt mean you cant be stupid enough to believe what you are saying without proof.

it's not them that are stupid, it's u. U will back the U.S. Government in wrongful convictions based off of ridiculous Conspiracy Theories but knock those who are working to spread truth. and your only argument and reason for debating me is all about the Freemasonic/NOI connection. nothing else. I have dropped much more knowledge in this thread than just that which u can't dispute.

 

[major pain]

the NOI was greatly influenced by Freemasonry (not Masonry in general because that could mean many things.) there are many more ties that I will not go into here. and it's not just the clothes, it's the organizational structure, philanthropic duties & reliance on the Bible.

oh yeah, AND ELIJAH MUHAMMAD WAS A PRINCE HALL FREEMASON AS WELL. the NOI has been dominated by Prince Hall leadership since 1933. Facts is facts

If I become CEO of a company, that company is now influenced by masonry? You cant see how a statement like that doesnt make sense?

it's not them that are stupid, it's u. U will back the U.S. Government in wrongful convictions based off of ridiculous Conspiracy Theories but knock those who are working to spread truth. and your only argument and reason for debating me is all about the Freemasonic/NOI connection. nothing else. I have dropped much more knowledge in this thread than just that which u can't dispute.

I really have not even disagreed with you very much. I'm just looking for you to back up your statements with something tangible that will hold up under a microscope. I'm focusing on one thing at a time actually. There is no point in jumping all around on different topics, when a very simple one is still lingering. Its not stupid of someone to just believe anything someone else says? So, if I say Obama's parents were crackheads that murdered people, just believe me?

On to the NoI.

So far you have come up with their choice of clothing. Well anyone can put on a bowtie and suit... aside from that there is much more to a mason's dress than that.

Organization structure... you would have to know the organizational structure of masonry to compare the two. Can you tell me who the leader of Prince Hall masonry is in the US?

Philanthropic duties... well lets see, any organization can be charitable, but show me examples, of the ones the NoI and masons share.

Reliance on the Bible... well here is where things get interesting... there are very few bible verses mentioned directly in the rituals. Other things that are taught or learned come from careful examination of the ritual and the bible as well. With that said, show me where the bible verses of masonry and the NoI share ideas.

If you can begin to answer any of those ideas (especially the 2nd) with something firm, then I could lend weight to why you believe that to be true. You're getting so upset, when all I'm doing is asking you to show me how the things you are saying are true.

 

[musicology1985]

If I become CEO of a company, that company is now influenced by masonry? You cant see how a statement like that doesnt make sense?

the fact of the matter is, the NOI & FOI have almost always been dominated by Prince Hall Freemasons. they don't know anything different. Fard is such a murky figure that some argue that he never existed. and most members (including the current one) never met him. the Honorable Minister was born in 1933. that was when the Master Fard disappeared. based off of the facts, the Nation of Islam is the Greatest Prince Hall led Organization of all time. company, private interests or religion, this is by all accounts a remarkable feat.

I really have not even disagreed with you very much. I'm just looking for you to back up your statements with something tangible that will hold up under a microscope. I'm focusing on one thing at a time actually. There is no point in jumping all around on different topics, when a very simple one is still lingering. Its not stupid of someone to just believe anything someone else says? So, if I say Obama's parents were crackheads that murdered people, just believe me?

I have provided more than enough information. your Obama example was horrible by the way.

On to the NoI.

So far you have come up with their choice of clothing. Well anyone can put on a bowtie and suit... aside from that there is much more to a mason's dress than that.

that's not something I came up with. the Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad; a Prince Hall Freemason, came up with that. and it directly correlates to what black Freemasons were wearing earlier.

Organization structure... you would have to know the organizational structure of masonry to compare the two. Can you tell me who the leader of Prince Hall masonry is in the US?

Freemasonry is designed to turn regular Joe's into upstanding gentlemen who value their community while possessing an acute business acumen. the NOI was directly modeled after that, and for good reason.

Philanthropic duties... well lets see, any organization can be charitable, but show me examples, of the ones the NoI and masons share.

well, the NOI members that I know have private enterprise centered on community, political activism & mentoring (similar to the Freemason's Demolay branch.)

Reliance on the Bible... well here is where things get interesting... there are very few bible verses mentioned directly in the rituals. Other things that are taught or learned come from careful examination of the ritual and the bible as well. With that said, show me where the bible verses of masonry and the NoI share ideas.

the NOI is the only Muslim organization that uses the Bible as it's primary reference point. this was inherited from Freemasonry, not orthodox Islam or the Moorish Science Temple.

If you can begin to answer any of those ideas (especially the 2nd) with something firm, then I could lend weight to why you believe that to be true. You're getting so upset, when all I'm doing is asking you to show me how the things you are saying are true.

I apologize for getting upset, but u and Janklow are just so irritating man. I could tell you more but I just don't think u would believe it or deserve it because u are very strongly "official" with your Freemasonry. your very strict. the African Lodge #1 had a hard time with your kind in the past & it persists to this day through Prince Hall having to wait so long to be deemed regular by most white Lodges. that's why I say screw joining an official lodge. the original Masons come from Africa anyway.

the funny thing is, your gonna say it's not firm, but a NOI member will tell u firmly to your face that it is. LOL... and they have official Freemasonic leaders and always have, albeit there was a slight gap from 75-77.

 

[janklow]

when you start claiming the similarities between stadiums, senates and mercenaries - concepts that have clear purposes and have existed in more places than just the Rome and the US - are proof of a vast Illuminati conspiracy... well, the extent to which you're reaching should make even YOU take pause

 

[musicology1985]

when you start claiming the similarities between stadiums, senates and mercenaries - concepts that have clear purposes and have existed in more places than just the Rome and the US - are proof of a vast Illuminati conspiracy... well, the extent to which you're reaching should make even YOU take pause

yeah right, that's more B.S. from u. all of those things I mentioned were clearly patterned after Rome due to the vast Illuminati conspiracy & can all be traced back to the Vatican & the families who control it. Remember, I'm talking about the Western world. the most powerful region of the planet who has and will exert dominance globally to enforce their world order through surrogates. and on the first page I listed many of the other influences that the Vatican has in other countries as well. I even showed u an African King being inducted into the Maltese Knights. I am not "reaching" because I can show direct connections.

bottom line is, most people, just like u, don't like to deal with it, nor talk about it. that's just how it is. but u can't say I'm lying or exaggerating. this is how the western world is ran and has been ran since the New World Order began in 1492.

 

[geechee slim]

They evverywhere

 

[musicology1985]

Fuk the illuminati u people gotta be ashamed of yourself

this is what I'm talking about. a big part of the social lounge is for historical analysis. Illuminati is a historical fact. why can't it be analyzed? I'll be back on a new subject soon. don't worry.

 

[major pain]

I apologize for getting upset, but u and Janklow are just so irritating man. I could tell you more but I just don't think u would believe it or deserve it because u are very strongly "official" with your Freemasonry. your very strict. the African Lodge #1 had a hard time with your kind in the past & it persists to this day through Prince Hall having to wait so long to be deemed regular by most white Lodges. that's why I say screw joining an official lodge. the original Masons come from Africa anyway.

the funny thing is, your gonna say it's not firm, but a NOI member will tell u firmly to your face that it is. LOL... and they have official Freemasonic leaders and always have, albeit there was a slight gap from 75-77.

The fact that a leader is a Prince Hall mason doesnt mean much. Its not like masonry is installing these leaders for some agenda. Masonry has NO direct ties to the NoI on a grand scale.

1. Bowties and suits have been around ages. Masonry does not own these things so anyone can put on a bowtie and suit.
2. Many other groups do the same thing as far as trying to make men better. Why do you put the sole reason for this on masonry? I'm not seeing how turning "Joe's into upstanding gentleman" relates to organizational structure. You also didnt answer the question I asked, maybe we're talking about 2 separate things here?
3. Again, other organizations do the exact same thing. Another fact is, there are many MORE offshoots of masonry that mentor the young etc. Hell just about EVERY philanthropic organization does, but you want to attribute the root cause to be masonry?
4. KKK uses the bible as a reference point. You want to say Freemasonry influenced them too?

I dont think you understand the difference between a freemason "influencing" things and the organization itself influencing things. BTW, I'm a Prince Hall mason, but that doesnt really mean much to a non-mason or shouldnt anyway. There is little difference to what we call "mainstream" masonry (you call it official) and Prince Hall. Any PH mason that has attended a mainstream lodge (I have) would say the same.

 

[musicology1985]

The fact that a leader is a Prince Hall mason doesnt mean much. Its not like masonry is installing these leaders for some agenda. Masonry has NO direct ties to the NoI on a grand scale.

Masonry does not have direct ties to the NOI, but Freemasonry does.


1. Bowties and suits have been around ages. Masonry does not own these things so anyone can put on a bowtie and suit.

they got it from Prince Hall, bottom line.

2. Many other groups do the same thing as far as trying to make men better. Why do you put the sole reason for this on masonry? I'm not seeing how turning "Joe's into upstanding gentleman" relates to organizational structure. You also didnt answer the question I asked, maybe we're talking about 2 separate things here?

of course I'm not gonna answer the question in the way u want me to. I already told u that from the jump.
the NOI is modeled after Freemasonry. I gave u all imma give u on this aspect of enlightenment man. take it or leave it.

3. Again, other organizations do the exact same thing. Another fact is, there are many MORE offshoots of masonry that mentor the young etc. Hell just about EVERY philanthropic organization does, but you want to attribute the root cause to be masonry?

we talking the NOI, if other orgs have similar traits and ties? it is what it is.

4. KKK uses the bible as a reference point. You want to say Freemasonry influenced them too?

I already said that the KKK has ties to Freemasonry. America in and of itself is the Great Freemasonic Experiment & in many cases, the crowning achievement of enlightenment.

I dont think you understand the difference between a freemason "influencing" things and the organization itself influencing things. BTW, I'm a Prince Hall mason, but that doesnt really mean much to a non-mason or shouldnt anyway. There is little difference to what we call "mainstream" masonry (you call it official) and Prince Hall. Any PH mason that has attended a mainstream lodge (I have) would say the same.

u PH, cool. that still doesn't take away from the fact that the Nation of Islam is the Greatest Prince Hall led Organization of all time and has been influenced by Freemasonry itself. they have stayed true to Prince Hall ideals moreso than regular PH Lodge members. and of course Prince Hall Freemasonry is official Freemasonry. everybody knows that. the ones who aren't mainstream u would never except. but in my opinion, NOI is more Prince Hall than u guys (especially the Most Honorable Minister & Honorable Minister.)

If I was to ever join a Regular, Official or Mainstream Lodge, it would be Prince Hall. all because of the Great example of what it can do that we witnessed from the Most Honorable Minister Elijah Muhammad & the Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan. those are the greatest Prince Hall Freemasons of all time.