Illuminati Organizational Structure

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musicology1985;816235 said:
u PH, cool. that still doesn't take away from the fact that the Nation of Islam is the Greatest Prince Hall led Organization of all time and has been influenced by Freemasonry itself. they have stayed true to Prince Hall ideals moreso than regular PH Lodge members. and of course Prince Hall Freemasonry is official Freemasonry. everybody knows that. the ones who aren't mainstream u would never except. but in my opinion, NOI is more Prince Hall than u guys (especially the Most Honorable Minister & Honorable Minister.)

If I was to ever join a Regular, Official or Mainstream Lodge, it would be Prince Hall. all because of the Great example of what it can do that we witnessed from the Most Honorable Minister Elijah Muhammad & the Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan. those are the greatest Prince Hall Freemasons of all time.

LOL, you have NO clue what you are talking about. Prince Hall masonry does not lead the NoI. "A" Prince Hall mason may, but to say that the organization itself is somehow controlling the NoI, is a reach far beyond any I've ever seen. You say the NoI has stayed true to ideas moreso than PHA... such as? As far as my question being answered, I was referring to the who leads PH masonry in the US question.

I dont know what you think happens in a PHA lodge, but its pretty much the same in every OTHER lodge. I dont believe you know what the term regular refers to, but its regarding a lodge's recognition as being legitimate. Mainstream and PHA are 2 different things. You cant join a mainstream PHA lodge, no such thing exists... Again, I think you have come across someone or something that has given you false information.
 
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major pain;816343 said:
LOL, you have NO clue what you are talking about. Prince Hall masonry does not lead the NoI. "A" Prince Hall mason may, but to say that the organization itself is somehow controlling the NoI, is a reach far beyond any I've ever seen. You say the NoI has stayed true to ideas moreso than PHA... such as? As far as my question being answered, I was referring to the who leads PH masonry in the US question.

I dont know what you think happens in a PHA lodge, but its pretty much the same in every OTHER lodge. I dont believe you know what the term regular refers to, but its regarding a lodge's recognition as being legitimate. Mainstream and PHA are 2 different things. You cant join a mainstream PHA lodge, no such thing exists... Again, I think you have come across someone or something that has given you false information.

I know what I'm talking about, it's just not in the format that u would like. Prince Hall Fremasons shaped the NOI and everything about it. it has been a PH led operation since day one & a great one at that. and u already said no one controls all Lodges & so have I, so who are u to judge if the Prince Hall Organization controls it or not. the Honorable Minister does his thing and so does other PH Freemasons not affiliated with the NOI such as yourself. but the Honorable Minister does it the best, hands down. and so what if u think I'm reaching, all the connections are factual and can be confirmed by real members. as far as being recognized as being legitimate, that is the major problem with official Freemasonry anyway. it's time to throw out what u guys deem as regular. the original Masons were from the Nile Valley anyway. Not Britain.

as far as the semantics game u playing? Prince Hall, York & Scottish Rite are the official Lodges that hold weight in this country. u brought up mainstream, not me.
 
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oh, and the NOI stays true to everything Prince Hall himself was about. African American rights and independence, business, brotherhood, knowledge, discipline & history, amongst other things. Elijah Muhammed was such a great man that he included black's only nationalism, family structure & other influences from the Moorish Science Temple etc.
 
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musicology1985;816394 said:
I know what I'm talking about, it's just not in the format that u would like. Prince Hall Fremasons shaped the NOI and everything about it. it has been a PH led operation since day one & a great one at that. and u already said no one controls all Lodges & so have I, so who are u to judge if the Prince Hall Organization controls it or not. the Honorable Minister does his thing and so does other PH Freemasons not affiliated with the NOI such as yourself. but the Honorable Minister does it the best, hands down. and so what if u think I'm reaching, all the connections are factual and can be confirmed by real members. as far as being recognized as being legitimate, that is the major problem with official Freemasonry anyway. it's time to throw out what u guys deem as regular. the original Masons were from the Nile Valley anyway. Not Britain.

as far as the semantics game u playing? Prince Hall, York & Scottish Rite are the official Lodges that hold weight in this country. u brought up mainstream, not me.

LOL, I'm going to say this and be done with this conversation because you lack the knowledge to carry it any further. Whomever the leader of the NoI is, is their leader in that capacity alone. He is not standing up there as a mason dictating what goes on. The fact that he is a mason means NOTHING when he is carrying about business for the NoI. What do you NOT get about that?

I'm not playing semantics. You obviously dont know how PHA lodges are structured. If you did you would know that Prince Hall masonry encompasses both the Scottish and York rites, there is no need to separate them out. "Mainstream" masonry also encompasses those rites. The only RECOGNIZED masonry in the US is the "mainstream" lodges and Prince Hall Affiliated. There is no such term as "official" masonry. Either you are regular or you are not. Regularity is determined by legitimacy. Legitimacy is determined by recognition of a recognized Grand Lodge.

I asked you the question about who is the leader of PHA in the US as a trick question, because there is not one leader, but it seems as if you think somehow PH masonry as a whole is affecting the NoI. Sorry man, but you just do not possess the information you are speaking on or if you do you have a poor way of displaying it.
 
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major pain;816541 said:
LOL, I'm going to say this and be done with this conversation because you lack the knowledge to carry it any further. Whomever the leader of the NoI is, is their leader in that capacity alone. He is not standing up there as a mason dictating what goes on. The fact that he is a mason means NOTHING when he is carrying about business for the NoI. What do you NOT get about that?

I'm not playing semantics. You obviously dont know how PHA lodges are structured. If you did you would know that Prince Hall masonry encompasses both the Scottish and York rites, there is no need to separate them out. "Mainstream" masonry also encompasses those rites. The only RECOGNIZED masonry in the US is the "mainstream" lodges and Prince Hall Affiliated. There is no such term as "official" masonry. Either you are regular or you are not. Regularity is determined by legitimacy. Legitimacy is determined by recognition of a recognized Grand Lodge.

I asked you the question about who is the leader of PHA in the US as a trick question, because there is not one leader, but it seems as if you think somehow PH masonry as a whole is affecting the NoI. Sorry man, but you just do not possess the information you are speaking on or if you do you have a poor way of displaying it.

shiiiit, good riddens. how u gonna say I lack the knowledge to carry it any further when u are the one who continued inquiring about it. I told u pages ago to ask NOI members in person if u didn't believe me but u ain't got the heart to do that. I already told u I wasn't going to answer your questions in the way that u wanted me to. the fact that the leadership is PH and has always been that way means everything in regards to supreme wisdom. of course not to u, but to the members it does. so gtfohwtbs. and who cares what u think about me separating the rites out. that's the way I chose to explain it, I told u I ain't followin' your rules. the organizational structure is aligned with how Freemasons move, albeit more efficiently for the cause of my community. I chose to use the term official to denote the Lodges that can trace lineage to UGLE and most others in good standing. I never said that it was a Freemasonic term. U implied that I was.

also, the trick question never worked because I already said no one person runs everything. so your opinion on this matter means squat. u do what u do as a PH Freemason & the Honorable Minister does what he does as a PH Freemason. people don't have to spell everything out for u Pain. obviously U DON'T GET THAT YOU ARE THE ONE WHO LACKS KNOWLEDGE.
 
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major pain;816925 said:
k...........

Whatever man. what u still in my thread for I thought u was done. I just smashed u & your outdated version of the craft. Other official Freemasons of open mind are of course spared.

I proved its connection to Illuminati, Enlightenment & Global Conspiracy.

I also proved it's positive & negative results.
 
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musicology1985;817079 said:
Whatever man. what u still in my thread for I thought u was done. I just smashed u & your outdated version of the craft. Other official Freemasons of open mind are of course spared.

I proved its connection to Illuminati, Enlightenment & Global Conspiracy.

I also proved it's positive & negative results.

Believe me, I'm no longer trying to point out how ridiculous your statements are. I'll let you continue to look foolish now. Its always funny that the ones screaming how much they know usually dont know jack shit. Carry on.
 
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musicology1985;814511 said:
yeah right, that's more B.S. from u.
no, this is just you being childish and stupid. stadiums, for example, are designed the way they are for a reason, not to copy Rome, and it's not like they're the only two cultures that have built such things. mercenaries are not something that only Rome used and then the US picked up - it's an age-old concept that's not unique to some ridiculous fucking Illuminati conspiracy.

and this is my point: you're grasping so badly to produce a "connection" that you should KNOW how foolish it is.
 
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musicology1985;816429 said:
Elijah Muhammed was such a great man that he included black's only nationalism, family structure & other influences from the Moorish Science Temple etc.

family structure?

lol

ol' elijah was having babies with fifteen year old girls

its good to be da cult leader

on toppa dat, he taught people that a white dude name Wally Dodd is God

lol
 
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major pain;817581 said:
Believe me, I'm no longer trying to point out how ridiculous your statements are. I'll let you continue to look foolish now. Its always funny that the ones screaming how much they know usually dont know jack shit. Carry on.[/QUOTE]

believe u? u are constantly telling lies saying u are going to do something and never do it. u are not credible as a Freemason anyway because you would rather dodge truth over the net than talk to brothers in real life. that's wack Major, and so are u. so what u think about the NOI is your opinion. not fact. I already proved the connection. if u don't want to go to the source for confirmation, that's on u. u claim to be a person of color but that's not usually how we get down. tom or not.
 
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KTULU IS BACK;817699 said:
family structure?

lol

ol' elijah was having babies with fifteen year old girls

its good to be da cult leader

on toppa dat, he taught people that a white dude name Wally Dodd is God

lol

the NOI has impeccable record for producing quality black American family structures. this is fact.
 
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janklow;817665 said:
no, this is just you being childish and stupid. stadiums, for example, are designed the way they are for a reason, not to copy Rome, and it's not like they're the only two cultures that have built such things. mercenaries are not something that only Rome used and then the US picked up - it's an age-old concept that's not unique to some ridiculous fucking Illuminati conspiracy.

and this is my point: you're grasping so badly to produce a "connection" that you should KNOW how foolish it is.

all of those things I mentioned were the EXACT continuation of western Roman culture. all of it. it came directly from western sources linked to Rome through language, war, culture, history, entertainment, science, art & politics. u cannot, I repeat, cannot, have a dominant culture without defeating the preexisting ones. due to white people (yes u) finally spreading global in 1492 A.D. and defeating all enemies in war, your culture rooted in Rome was spread worldwide.

even your own scholars say this is so. It does not matter if other countries had mercs & stadiums. the ones that u use are modeled after Rome. the language u speak can be traced back to Latin (a Roman Language,) your governmental structures & Law can be traced back to Rome. which therefore influenced the Vatican & all of the Knighthoods & Orders that came afterward. take, for instance those mercs. they are still fighting in west Asia for the same reason that they're forefathers were in 1096 A.D. the Roman Expansion never ended and the proof is all throughout this thread.

the fact that u are even here is proof. before 1492 A.D. u wouldn't be. and that is also scholarly fact.

the country we reside in is even named after Florentine Explorer Amerigo Vespucci. there is nothing childish about what I am saying. it can all be proven. the fact that u, Ktulu & Major Pain disagree means nothing. u guys come from & follow a people that once said the planet was flat. of course it takes u a minute to catch on & it may not be in this lifetime.
 
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Western culture (sometimes equated with Western civilization or European civilization) refers to cultures of European origin.

The nucleus of Western culture in origin was laid by the Greeks, enlarged and strengthened subsequently by the Romans, stabilized by Christianity, reformed and modernized by the fifteenth-century Renaissance and Reformation and globalized by successive European empires through the spread of European ways of life and education between the sixteenth and twentieth centuries. Thus the European Culture developed into a very complex phenomenon of wider range of philosophy, medieval scholasticism and mysticism, Christian and secular humanism, rational way of life and logical thinking developed through a long age of change and formation with the experiments of enlightenment, naturalism, romanticism, science, democracy, and socialism. Because of its global connection, the European culture grew with an all-inclusive urge to adopt, adapt and ultimately influence other trends of culture. As a matter of fact, therefore, from the middle of the nineteenth century with the expansion of European education and the spread of Christianity, European culture and way of life, to a great extent, turned to be "global culture," if anything has to be so named (Vide. Sailen Debnath, "Secularism: Western and Indian,", ISBN 9788126913664, Atlantic Publishers, New Delhi).

The term "Western culture" is used very broadly to refer to a heritage of social norms, ethical values, traditional customs, religious beliefs, political systems, and specific artifacts and technologies. Specifically, Western culture may imply:

* a Graeco-Roman Classical and Renaissance cultural influence, concerning artistic, philosophic, literary, and legal themes and traditions, the cultural social effects of migration period and the heritages of Celtic, Germanic, Romanic, Slavic and other ethnic groups, as well as a tradition of rationalism in various spheres of life, developed by Hellenistic philosophy, Scholasticism, Humanisms, the Scientific Revolution and Enlightenment, and including, in political thought, widespread rational arguments in favour of freethought, human rights, equality and democratic values averse to irrationality and theocracy.[citation needed]
* a Biblical-Christian cultural influence in spiritual thinking, customs and either ethic or moral traditions, around Post-Classical Era.
* Western European cultural influences concerning artistic, musical, folkloric, ethic and oral traditions, whose themes have been further developed by Romanticism.

(Wikipedia) and that is all facts.

World Religions, a symbol of domination. the purple, blue
& red is all European Rooted religion & has the power to exert influence over all other Nations not in it's direct sphere through war, finance & politics. this is the New World Order. it's not coming, its already been here since 1492. there are only 2 men who have dominated globally in advanced civilization:

black men from 10,000 B.C. to 1492 A.D., and white men from 1492 A.D. til present. those are the two Global Orders that have existed. Freemasonry in and of itself is the key to this story & the reason why it is intertwined in everything like it is.

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musicology1985;818103 said:
major pain;817581 said:
Believe me, I'm no longer trying to point out how ridiculous your statements are. I'll let you continue to look foolish now. Its always funny that the ones screaming how much they know usually dont know jack shit. Carry on.[/QUOTE]

believe u? u are constantly telling lies saying u are going to do something and never do it. u are not credible as a Freemason anyway because you would rather dodge truth over the net than talk to brothers in real life. that's wack Major, and so are u. so what u think about the NOI is your opinion. not fact. I already proved the connection. if u don't want to go to the source for confirmation, that's on u. u claim to be a person of color but that's not usually how we get down. tom or not.

LOL, when did I say I was going to do something and never did? You're a clown dude. Keep putting on the show its entertaining at this point.
 
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major pain;818284 said:
musicology1985;818103 said:
LOL, when did I say I was going to do something and never did? You're a clown dude. Keep putting on the show its entertaining at this point.

your the clown. always talking bout u leaving this, u waiting on that. gtfoh u a PR dude, either by pay or not. I proved all factual connections & I told u from the jump that I was only going to give u so much and not in the format u wanted. just because u don't agree does not make my statements false. u are the one who was curious. if u really wanted to know, u would go to where NOI members are. but no, your job is PR online.
 
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Freemasons operate at the top of society all the way down to the bottom. Freemasonry is the binding glue of global order.

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musicology1985;818345 said:
your the clown. always talking bout u leaving this, u waiting on that. gtfoh u a PR dude, either by pay or not. I proved all factual connections & I told u from the jump that I was only going to give u so much and not in the format u wanted. just because u don't agree does not make my statements false. u are the one who was curious. if u really wanted to know, u would go to where NOI members are. but no, your job is PR online.

Enhance your comprehension skills. I said I was done with the conversation about the NoI and masonry, because you lack the knowledge to hold it. That does not mean I wont continue to laugh at how you think masonry works. So again, continue with your wild claims while not proving them, and look foolish. At first, I was trying to help you with your incorrect information, but since you know so much already, I'll leave you be.
 
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