Illuminati Organizational Structure

[melanated khemist]

EXCELLENT THREAD musicology1985 !

 

[independentsoundlab]

One of the requirements is belief in a diety or higher power, this much is correct. To join a lodge a person has to pass a vote. ONE single "No" can deny admittance to a lodge. So, do you really believe that in a group of people with stout religious beliefs, not ONE is going to deny this person that believes in something that is associated with "evil"?

You need to understand how the degrees work in order to "get it". Maybe I can help you with that. The "blue" lodge encompasses degrees 1-3. NO other rite or body governs the "blue" lodge. The 33rd degree ONLY applies to the Scottish Rite. degrees 4-32 with an HONORARY 33rd. A grand master only has jurisdiction over his GRAND Lodge. A grand lodge is made up of many local "blue" lodges. A grand master is also a member of a local "blue" and unless he is the Worshipful Master of THAT lodge, he does NOT dictate what goes on in that local lodge. You should also realize that there is the York rite, which covers a different set of degrees with their own numerical value. Being a 33rd degree mason does not mean anything (other than respect) as far as the York rite is concerned and vice versa. The rites are self sustained and self governed.

I'm not even sure answering those questions you posed will make much difference. I'm not trying to exonerate anything, I'm trying to educate you.

What do you mean how was my initiation? It was a wonderful experience and made me realize that what I thought I knew about masonry could not be any more wrong. Believe it or not I used to assume some of the same ideas as you.

Including the different rites, I have about 3-5 meetings a month.

Its a business meeting. If you've ever seen a board meeting or congress meet, its very similar.

The "rituals" are concerning the degrees. Each degree comes with a certain pomp and circumstance to it.

Yea, there are also ceremonies.

Yea, there are benefits to being a mason. I got pulled over last month and didnt get a ticket because the cop's father was a mason.

Not sure what you are looking for as far as videos, but "some" real ones are available on the internet. Its tough for someone who has never seen it performed in the privacy of the lodge to recognize real from fake though.

So, all radical groups are legit in their accusations? Ever hear of the Tea Party? These "groups" accuse because of ignorance. The so called evidence they produce to make such claims has been proven false since the accusations began 100s of years ago. Now, is that to say, there have not been some "bad" people that are masons, no, they are just bad people period. Being a mason is secondary to their nature. Even still, there has not and you will not find evidence of a large scale masonic body capable of all those things. I'm sure someone will bring up P2 in Italy, but again that is ONE lodge and they were quickly disassociated with once their crimes came out.

the truth is money can buy you into anything.. if not your lodge.. maybe the next.. this is why i say... it is possible to have a lodge with loons doing pagan rituals sacrificing goats, sodomizing kids, etc..

but i think i got you about the degree stuff.. informative of course.. by initiation.. i mean.. did you have to take an oath to keep the info in the lodge secret? who brought you into the lodge? are taking cameras/pictures allowed during meetings? Propaganda Due is a perfect example of a evil secret society.. not every lodge is a p2.. but p2 surely isnt the only lodge thats done many criminal acts.. Masons are usually successful people.. doctors, bankers, ceos of businesses, etc.. and combine that with criminal acts.. you can have the world in your hands and more.. forget talks about worshiping goats.. i think knowing people are quietly ruling the world is what scares most people or attracts alot of attention.. and all these conspiracies just start flying..

does your lodge report to a "superior" lodge?? does your lodge conduct business with other lodges??

 

[major pain]

the truth is money can buy you into anything.. if not your lodge.. maybe the next.. this is why i say... it is possible to have a lodge with loons doing pagan rituals sacrificing goats, sodomizing kids, etc..

but i think i got you about the degree stuff.. informative of course.. by initiation.. i mean.. did you have to take an oath to keep the info in the lodge secret? who brought you into the lodge? are taking cameras/pictures allowed during meetings? Propaganda Due is a perfect example of a evil secret society.. not every lodge is a p2.. but p2 surely isnt the only lodge thats done many criminal acts.. Masons are usually successful people.. doctors, bankers, ceos of businesses, etc.. and combine that with criminal acts.. you can have the world in your hands and more.. forget talks about worshiping goats.. i think knowing people are quietly ruling the world is what scares most people or attracts alot of attention.. and all these conspiracies just start flying..

does your lodge report to a "superior" lodge?? does your lodge conduct business with other lodges??

By that logic, you can assume any and everything is possible. Its possible Kobe will put up 100 by himself tonight, its possible Tiger will get all eagles to win the US Open. What these ideas are, including the one about masonry, is not PROBABLE. If it was, it would have been exposed by now on a grand scale. There are literally MILLIONS of masons in the world. I'd have to assume that ONE would come forward with knowledge of such criminal acts.

Every mason takes an obligation, not an oath, to keep the secrets of masonry. Where people get it twisted is, what those secrets are. People automatically assume that if something is secret its sinister. The true secrets of masonry are those that are experienced. Its not about watching someone do something criminal and making sure they dont get in trouble for it. OJ was a mason before his first trial, he got expelled as a result of the charges brought against him.

No one "brought" me in. I sought knowledge of masonry, was recommended and vouched for by a couple of friends of mine that I had known for SEVERAL years, applied and was accepted.

Sure I can take a picture if I wanted to.

Saying masons are usually successful people can mean a few things. Such as they were successful because of who they are and not because they are a mason. I am pretty successful but it wasnt masonry that put me there. If you are a hustler and about your business before becoming a mason you will do the same once you do.

I've already explained the "superior" lodge thing. Local lodges are self sustained in their dealings. Consider each one like a separate county in your state. They can work together if they choose, but its totally up to them. Together, a group of local lodges forms a "Grand Lodge" broken up into different jurisdictions. Grand Lodges are separated by states. There should never be more than 2 Grand lodges in any given state, but thats not a discussion I want to go into because it will confuse you even more.

 

[phantom0900]

Why do yall insist on arguein with Major Pain? This dude is the like the BP spokes person doing damage control, in light of recent disasters. If your organization is so well aimed, you shouldn't have to prove it on internet forums. Conversely, an elite group of business men functioning behind closed doors, heavily in capitalistic societies, should be proof enough that their will be foul play and legit conspiracies afoot. There are people lacking common sense on both sides of the argument.

Another thing to consider. Nothing is hidden, you just don't speak the language. If you were dropped into china and didnt speak a lick of chinese, are the chinese hiding things from you, or are you just not speaking and reading their language? All promient societies with secrets operate thru signs and the language of symbolism; literal symbols or metaphors, and actual sigils. If your trying to figure out what they are up to, you gotta learn to read between the lines, and take some psychology, or advance marketing classes. Read up on Freud and Edward Bernays, Freuds cousin. Those MFers set the stage for modern psychology and marketing techniques, and that is what keeps the game moving. Symbol literacy. Im not talking bout pyramids and eyes, Im talking about knowing what they mean and in what context.

 

[independentsoundlab]

By that logic, you can assume any and everything is possible. Its possible Kobe will put up 100 by himself tonight, its possible Tiger will get all eagles to win the US Open. What these ideas are, including the one about masonry, is not PROBABLE. If it was, it would have been exposed by now on a grand scale. There are literally MILLIONS of masons in the world. I'd have to assume that ONE would come forward with knowledge of such criminal acts.

Every mason takes an obligation, not an oath, to keep the secrets of masonry. Where people get it twisted is, what those secrets are. People automatically assume that if something is secret its sinister. The true secrets of masonry are those that are experienced. Its not about watching someone do something criminal and making sure they dont get in trouble for it. OJ was a mason before his first trial, he got expelled as a result of the charges brought against him.

No one "brought" me in. I sought knowledge of masonry, was recommended and vouched for by a couple of friends of mine that I had known for SEVERAL years, applied and was accepted.

Sure I can take a picture if I wanted to.

Saying masons are usually successful people can mean a few things. Such as they were successful because of who they are and not because they are a mason. I am pretty successful but it wasnt masonry that put me there. If you are a hustler and about your business before becoming a mason you will do the same once you do.

I've already explained the "superior" lodge thing. Local lodges are self sustained in their dealings. Consider each one like a separate county in your state. They can work together if they choose, but its totally up to them. Together, a group of local lodges forms a "Grand Lodge" broken up into different jurisdictions. Grand Lodges are separated by states. There should never be more than 2 Grand lodges in any given state, but thats not a discussion I want to go into because it will confuse you even more.

interestinggg!!

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

Saying masons are usually successful people can mean a few things. Such as they were successful because of who they are and not because they are a mason. I am pretty successful but it wasnt masonry that put me there. If you are a hustler and about your business before becoming a mason you will do the same once you do.

Well hold on now son, be honest about that.

The Lodge ain't all about silly ass mysticism.

Y'all talk business.

 

[major pain]

Why do yall insist on arguein with Major Pain? This dude is the like the BP spokes person doing damage control, in light of recent disasters. If your organization is so well aimed, you shouldn't have to prove it on internet forums. Conversely, an elite group of business men functioning behind closed doors, heavily in capitalistic societies, should be proof enough that their will be foul play and legit conspiracies afoot. There are people lacking common sense on both sides of the argument.

Because no one has ever falsely accused a group of something? This isnt about damage control. Its about educating the mis-educated. NOTHING the conspiracy theorists come up with sticks. Feel free to try and prove otherwise.

Well hold on now son, be honest about that.

The Lodge ain't all about silly ass mysticism.

Y'all talk business.

A typical lodge meeting is pretty much a business meeting. Discussions about finances, membership, community service, and such are handled more often than so-called "mysticism". If a mason wants to learn about those things, then most of that learning is done in his own time.

 

[musicology1985]

My Conspiracy Theories are sticking. so what I lay out can be deemed as Conspiracy Fact.

Now, Freemasons are at the core of the conspiracy because the Order of the Garter, Thistle & House of Windsor are known official Freemasons.

However, Freemasons can effectively deny any conspiracy because anyone can be a Freemason. the strategy is quite genius if u ask me.

The Craft & Greek Letter societies are two ways that regular people can be involved in the same groups as the global elite. it's how this world is kept in order and it works very well.

It's the European and white Diaspora elite and high ranking officials who are Freemasons that drew recent attention to them in the first place. but that does not mean that all Freemasons have a shady agenda.

Even the Catholic Church has numerous Humanitarian initiatives in every midsized town and major city in the western world. u can be at the center of the problem AND THE SOLUTION at the same time. shit's genius.

 

[independentsoundlab]

My Conspiracy Theories are sticking. so what I lay out can be deemed as Conspiracy Fact.

Now, Freemasons are at the core of the conspiracy because the Order of the Garter, Thistle & House of Windsor are known official Freemasons.

However, Freemasons can effectively deny any conspiracy because anyone can be a Freemason. the strategy is quite genius if u ask me.

The Craft & Greek Letter societies are two ways that regular people can be involved in the same groups as the global elite. it's how this world is kept in order and it works very well.

It's the European and white Diaspora elite and high ranking officials who are Freemasons that drew recent attention to them in the first place. but that does not mean that all Freemasons have a shady agenda.

Even the Catholic Church has numerous Humanitarian initiatives in every midsized town and major city in the western world. u can be at the center of the problem AND THE SOLUTION at the same time. shit's genius.

i agree wit ya 110%..

 

[major pain]

My Conspiracy Theories are sticking. so what I lay out can be deemed as Conspiracy Fact.

Now, Freemasons are at the core of the conspiracy because the Order of the Garter, Thistle & House of Windsor are known official Freemasons.

However, Freemasons can effectively deny any conspiracy because anyone can be a Freemason. the strategy is quite genius if u ask me.

The Craft & Greek Letter societies are two ways that regular people can be involved in the same groups as the global elite. it's how this world is kept in order and it works very well.

It's the European and white Diaspora elite and high ranking officials who are Freemasons that drew recent attention to them in the first place. but that does not mean that all Freemasons have a shady agenda.

Even the Catholic Church has numerous Humanitarian initiatives in every midsized town and major city in the western world. u can be at the center of the problem AND THE SOLUTION at the same time. shit's genius.

Because someone is a mason doesnt mean they are not a shitbag. The organization in and of itself is NOT carrying out conspiracies.That is what you suggest when you lump an entire group with the ridiculous conspiracies.

 

[musicology1985]

Because someone is a mason doesnt mean they are not a shitbag. The organization in and of itself is NOT carrying out conspiracies.That is what you suggest when you lump an entire group with the ridiculous conspiracies.

Freemasons who also belong to Royal Families, Knighthoods, Orders & Bloodlines is who we're talking about. We're not talking about all Freemasons Mr. Pain. And quite frankly sir, THE CORE FOUNDATION OF OFFICIAL FREEMASONRY COMES FROM SCOTLAND, ENGLAND & WALES AND IS INTERTWINED WITH THESE ROYAL HOUSES & PEERAGES. This is real interesting stuff & not ridiculous in the least bit.

 

[major pain]

Freemasons who also belong to Royal Families, Knighthoods, Orders & Bloodlines is who we're talking about. We're not talking about all Freemasons Mr. Pain. And quite frankly sir, THE CORE FOUNDATION OF OFFICIAL FREEMASONRY COMES FROM SCOTLAND, ENGLAND & WALES AND IS INTERTWINED WITH THESE ROYAL HOUSES & PEERAGES. This is real interesting stuff & not ridiculous in the least bit.

Not "entirely" true, masonry's foundation is not in the "rich" or "elite". Few people realize that before it ever became "organized" as it is today, it was an organization for skilled workers and did not accept non-skilled people. Literal craftsmen, basically not the rich... It seems as if you believe that somehow royal families "founded" masonry and are somehow controlling it or running it behind the scenes. Far from true. While in England, the Grand Master is usually in a royal family, the fact that he is royalty really means jack shit to masons.

 

[musicology1985]

Not "entirely" true, masonry's foundation is not in the "rich" or "elite". Few people realize that before it ever became "organized" as it is today, it was an organization for skilled workers and did not accept non-skilled people. Literal craftsmen, basically not the rich... It seems as if you believe that somehow royal families "founded" masonry and are somehow controlling it or running it behind the scenes. Far from true. While in England, the Grand Master is usually in a royal family, the fact that he is royalty really means jack shit to masons.

the most venerable official Freemasonry is in Scotland, England & Wales. over there, the Craft is intertwined with the elite. the roots of Freemasonry is not that way & nor are the average Lodges, but those are. and those British Lodges are the ones who spread it. that's just what it is. u wouldn't even be the kind of Freemason that u are without the British, so in my opinion, they are the standard bearers. nobody runs every Lodge, but the British Lodges are the Rolls Royces of Grand Lodges in my opinion.

 

[major pain]

the most venerable official Freemasonry is in Scotland, England & Wales. over there, the Craft is intertwined with the elite. the roots of Freemasonry is not that way & nor are the average Lodges, but those are. and those British Lodges are the ones who spread it. that's just what it is. u wouldn't even be the kind of Freemason that u are without the British, so in my opinion, they are the standard bearers. nobody runs every Lodge, but the British Lodges are the Rolls Royces of Grand Lodges in my opinion.

And that means what exactly? LOL, seriously you must have NO clue how lodges operate within their jurisdiction. All British lodges are not full of royalty and rich people. I'm willing to bet that most of the men in the royal family are NOT masons. Even if they were, its more than likely a result of their family traditions, but believe what you will..

 

[musicology1985]

And that means what exactly? LOL, seriously you must have NO clue how lodges operate within their jurisdiction. All British lodges are not full of royalty and rich people. I'm willing to bet that most of the men in the royal family are NOT masons. Even if they were, its more than likely a result of their family traditions, but believe what you will..

what it means is that BRITAIN IS THE REASON WHY U GUYS ARE INCLUDED IN THE CONSPIRACY. the House of Windsor is filled with Freemasons. the Peerage of Scotland is filled with Freemasons. these guys are at the root of many of our conspiracies and they are official Freemasons just like u. so yes, official and unofficial Freemasonry is involved. of course it' not the majority, but it does exist man. YOU ARE JUST IN DENIAL. I know you guys are pretty cool for the most part. I was just kickin' it with a York Rite brother at Home Depot a couple hours ago.

 

[major pain]

what it means is that BRITAIN IS THE REASON WHY U GUYS ARE INCLUDED IN THE CONSPIRACY. the House of Windsor is filled with Freemasons. the Peerage of Scotland is filled with Freemasons. these guys are at the root of many of our conspiracies and they are official Freemasons just like u. so yes, official and unofficial Freemasonry is involved. of course it' not the majority, but it does exist man. YOU ARE JUST IN DENIAL. I know you guys are pretty cool for the most part. I was just kickin' it with a York Rite brother at Home Depot a couple hours ago.

There is NOTHING to deny. You seem to be making the claim that people are committing these acts as masons, together in a conspiracy, when its impossible to prove that. Since you readily admitted it could not be a majority of masons into this thing, why would you use the organization as a talking point regarding these conspiracies? Assuming it was true, a small group of "evil" masons obviously does not represent the organization so why bother associating them with the other "good" masons?

I might have you confused with someone else, but I think I've seen you make some fairly racist comments about white people. Maybe thats where all this comes from?

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

i dont trust any dude who wears white satin gloves

yall dressin like mickey mouse

ugh

 

[musicology1985]

There is NOTHING to deny. You seem to be making the claim that people are committing these acts as masons, together in a conspiracy, when its impossible to prove that. Since you readily admitted it could not be a majority of masons into this thing, why would you use the organization as a talking point regarding these conspiracies? Assuming it was true, a small group of "evil" masons obviously does not represent the organization so why bother associating them with the other "good" masons?

I might have you confused with someone else, but I think I've seen you make some fairly racist comments about white people. Maybe thats where all this comes from?

u are in denial. Freemasons are involved and should ALWAYSS be included in threads concerning the Enlightenment, Illuminati, Occult & Global Order. that's just how it is. if u want to debate it? fine. but it is clear that Freemasonry is the glue that his kept this global order in place, as it should be. everything Propaganda Due did after 1945, they did as OFFICIAL FREEMASONS UNTIL 1976. your organization is tied to conspiracy just like the Catholic Church. of course the average person going to Mass is not concerned with global control, but that aspect does exist and should be talked about. same goes for Freemasonry.

 

[major pain]

i dont trust any dude who wears white satin gloves

yall dressin like mickey mouse

ugh

Probably a good rule of thumb to live by.

u are in denial. Freemasons are involved and should ALWAYSS be included in threads concerning the Enlightenment, Illuminati, Occult & Global Order. that's just how it is. if u want to debate it? fine. but it is clear that Freemasonry is the glue that his kept this global order in place, as it should be. everything Propaganda Due did after 1945, they did as OFFICIAL FREEMASONS UNTIL 1976. your organization is tied to conspiracy just like the Catholic Church. of course the average person going to Mass is not concerned with global control, but that aspect does exist and should be talked about. same goes for Freemasonry.

Then, by all means, start proving your claims sir.

 

[musicology1985]

Probably a good rule of thumb to live by.

Then, by all means, start proving your claims sir.

what are u talking about? the evidence has already been presented. the claim is not that Freemasonry is evil. the fact is that Freemasonry is the central aspect of global control. whether anyone views it as evil or not is up to them. based off of my research, there is nothing evil about Masonry. but if u want to get the keys to global history, u have to open your mental door to Freemasonry because it is going to come up sooner or later. so people might as well deal with it from the jump.

u implied that I made some racist comments a bit earlier. impossible. I speak the truth about white people and even that is under the umbrella of Freemasonry. LOUIS FARRAKHAN IS A FREEMASON. THE NATION OF ISLAM RECEIVED THE BULK OF IT'S INFORMATION FROM FREEMASONIC SOURCES. SO THAT IS AT THE CORE OF THE 5% NATION AS WELL. THE SAME GOES FOR ALBERT PIKES CONNECTION TO THE KU KLUX KLAN. again, Freemasonry is the binding glue of global order no matter what your background is.

other organizations modeled after Freemasonry:

Bavarian Illuminati-known for Adam Weishupt. he got the Jesuit Order restored.

Ordo Templi Orientis-now known for Jay Z. has ushered in many occult influences into rap

Freemasonry & its influence is EVERYWHERE.