How Come Mid 90s NY Rap Didn't Sell?

[5 Grand]

Let me ask you a real question..how can eye thoroughly explain some shit to you that you inherently don't fuck with ? Your mind ain't nowhere near it to over stand it...it's not for you but Imma tell you that there IS something special in the chaos(the boom bap)

Jeru deals with things beyond the physical body ..If you ain't into spirituality then you won't fuck with it...

Its like a monk who has given up sex ,junk food,entertainment, material possessions to meditate all day trying to explain why he do what he do to a person who loves all of the temptations of this world..That regular Nigga in the world ain't gonna understand that shit..it's not for him and her..

That's another reason that jeru shit ain't sell ..because people ain't ready to go to that level in life..spirituality is boring to people..they rather be ignorant

Yeah but here's the thing. I was into all that metaphysical shit that Jeru was talking about but at the same time I was at home living with my folks. When I moved out on my own and started to struggle that shit that Biggie, Ma$e and Jay was talking about started to make more sense. They were talking about getting money, hoes and driving nice cars. But they were talking about that over East Coast Boom bap beats.

Same with KRS. He was talking about a lot of metaphysical stuff that was supposed to make you think but after a while I lost interest.

Truth be told I started off in the early 90s listening to X Clan and Brand Nubian but by the end of the decade I was bumping Biggie and Jay Z. I remember when Blackstar came out and everybody made a big deal about it but I just wasn't in a place emotionally or spiritually to listen to it. I was fixated on how Puffy, Master P and Jay Z were making millions off of Hip Hop and I just wasn't interested in what Rawkus was putting out.

 

[5 Grand]

The reality is the west and South's rap sounded like music and has soul to it.... in comparison to that boom bap head phone music

this makes no sense

Yeah it does. The West Coast cats and the Southern cats were following the rules of music. Their music had basslines and synthesizers and the music was in key. In contrast East Coast producers were flipping samples in a manner that didn't observe the rules of music.

Listen to this song by Jeru the Damaja. The sample doesn't follow the rules of music.

Me Or The Papes - Jeru The Damaja

What are the rules of music?

http://music.tutsplus.com/tutorials/the-rule-of-three-and-music--audio-1389
http://www.artsreformation.com/a001/ih-music-rules.html

 

[EyeofAsaru]

Let me ask you a real question..how can eye thoroughly explain some shit to you that you inherently don't fuck with ? Your mind ain't nowhere near it to over stand it...it's not for you but Imma tell you that there IS something special in the chaos(the boom bap)

Jeru deals with things beyond the physical body ..If you ain't into spirituality then you won't fuck with it...

Its like a monk who has given up sex ,junk food,entertainment, material possessions to meditate all day trying to explain why he do what he do to a person who loves all of the temptations of this world..That regular Nigga in the world ain't gonna understand that shit..it's not for him and her..

That's another reason that jeru shit ain't sell ..because people ain't ready to go to that level in life..spirituality is boring to people..they rather be ignorant

Yeah but here's the thing. I was into all that metaphysical shit that Jeru was talking about but at the same time I was at home living with my folks. When I moved out on my own and started to struggle that shit that Biggie, Ma$e and Jay was talking about started to make more sense. They were talking about getting money, hoes and driving nice cars. But they were talking about that over East Coast Boom bap beats.

Same with KRS. He was talking about a lot of metaphysical stuff that was supposed to make you think but after a while I lost interest.

Truth be told I started off in the early 90s listening to X Clan and Brand Nubian but by the end of the decade I was bumping Biggie and Jay Z. I remember when Blackstar came out and everybody made a big deal about it but I just wasn't in a place emotionally or spiritually to listen to it. I was fixated on how Puffy, Master P and Jay Z were making millions off of Hip Hop and I just wasn't interested in what Rawkus was putting out.

That's because you went to the extreme..of course you have to get money while you here on earth in this body but the metaphysical is more important especially when your body dies and crosses over to the other side..

Its ok to be spiritual but niggas still need to pay the rent

 

[5th Letter]

The reality is the west and South's rap sounded like music and has soul to it.... in comparison to that boom bap head phone music

this makes no sense

Yeah it does. The West Coast cats and the Southern cats were following the rules of music. Their music had basslines and synthesizers and the music was in key. In contrast East Coast producers were flipping samples in a manner that didn't observe the rules of music.

Listen to this song by Jeru the Damaja. The sample doesn't follow the rules of music.

Me Or The Papes - Jeru The Damaja

What are the rules of music?

http://music.tutsplus.com/tutorials/the-rule-of-three-and-music--audio-1389
http://www.artsreformation.com/a001/ih-music-rules.html

Summarize that because I'm not clicking that link.

 

[blackrain]

look..

im a tell yall like i told my NY P pa'tna..

well we aint as tight no more but thats neither here nor there..

he from Brooklyn and i had to tell hin the difference between us and yall NY niggas..

first difference is yall lives suck!! hahaha

yall overcrowded.. yall live on top of each other and public transportation is ur mode of travel..

u niggas put on ur headphones and listen to music to escape ur hell.. hence that fantasy mafia bullshit.. metaphors and similies and so on.. the instrumentation and so on..

what u got to understand anout us Cali niggas..

we got nice weather.. good weed.. and bad bitches..and we drive fast cars or old schools..

9x's out of 10 we in our car seein as thats our mode of transportation.. and 9x's out of 10 we got some bitches in it or our niggas.. we drinkin and drivin.. hot boxin and talkin our shit..

and if its the bitch in the car wit us we poppin our shit..

we aint listen to the lyrics.. if we paid more attention to what Nas was sayin then the bitch then we wouldnt be gettin the pussy like yall niggas. hahahaha

guess im sayin all that to say that yall listen to music to escape hell..

we listen to music to embrace our heaven..

this shit be the soundtrack to our lives. lol

ur welcome.

Same reason why southern music sounds like it does....

 

[D.Original]

That west coast shit was a lil more accessible than what was comin from the east. East was grimey and lyrical shit while that west sound was smooth and that rhymes were easier to follow.

 

[blackrain]

Read thru the thread n 99% of it is ppl being biased to the side theyre on, not surprising.

West coast was harder, faster, catchier.

East coast was more conscious, slower, grittier.

U never had to decipher a west coast rappers lyrics so it was more simple. But no one tryna hear Nas in a club.

It really that difficult?

Also the perception that if you have a bunch of metaphors in your songs somehow it's deeper and has more meaning as if simply being direct doesn't have the same impact lyrically

 

[D.Original]

and i like how u ised the term "savages" cause i always correlate u NY niggas as elitist..

nigga we aint savage we real!

sorry keepin it 1hunnid offends u..

sorry we rap about shit we really feelin really livin meanwhile yall makin up shit..

"imaginary players." hahahha

Bruh foh

Forgive us if we rather rap about something other than eating bootyholes ,popping pills,drinking lean, cars , etc

Keep it real..the south and West be mostly rapping about jiggaboo shit lol

Eye love too short but eye ain't trying to hear this dude say the word bitch a million times on a album

cause thats all Too Short raps about right!!?

Too Short is about as real as they come.

NOW I DEFINITELY know niggas like u aint gettin no bitches and havin no money. lol

"do u fools listen to music or do u jus skim thru it?!" hahahaha

One of my favorite albums is cocktails ,b..eye own every short album including his old crew partners(ant banks,dangerous crew)

Say what you want but yeah all he mostly raps about is pussy...he drops some gems here and there about hustling for yourself but yup he stay rapping about pimping them yamps..

My mind has matured beyond that style of rap now

so thats not all he raps about then!!?

and i grew up on Short.. up until recently.. before this hyphy shit his albums were all laced wit real life game.. bout hustlin.. bout the fucked up system.. bout betterin urself all that shit..

but because it aint complex or tryin to hard dumb niggas dont get it..

and i say dumb because its like Einstein said..

"if u cant explain it simply u dont u derstand it well enough.."

Short Dog rapped about Life.. and who's more simple then Short Dog!!?

its Science my nigga..

u cant refute it. lol

Yeah it's science on a mundane HUMAN level,not a metaphysical level

Life ain't all about earthly matters ,god..

THATS the difference between niggas like short and jeru..Jeru was rapping about metaphysics, balancing your inner energies etcs...

It's more to life than that

yeh.. well i can not only relate to Short Dog's music..

but it also helps me out in life.. as u even admitted.. he gives REAL LIFE game.. shit u can use..

that Jeru shit!!? is that helpin u at all in life!? can it be applied and attributed to somethin postive thats goin on wit u right now!?

thats an honest question cause i dont listen to that shit. lol

maybe im missin somethin..

If you cant get somethin out of jeru shit ya slow

 

[5 Grand]

The reality is the west and South's rap sounded like music and has soul to it.... in comparison to that boom bap head phone music

this makes no sense

Yeah it does. The West Coast cats and the Southern cats were following the rules of music. Their music had basslines and synthesizers and the music was in key. In contrast East Coast producers were flipping samples in a manner that didn't observe the rules of music.

Listen to this song by Jeru the Damaja. The sample doesn't follow the rules of music.

Me Or The Papes - Jeru The Damaja

What are the rules of music?

http://music.tutsplus.com/tutorials/the-rule-of-three-and-music--audio-1389
http://www.artsreformation.com/a001/ih-music-rules.html

Summarize that because I'm not clicking that link.

Basically there's rules of music. There's notes and chords and time meters. Generally speaking instruments are supposed to be in key with each other. A piano player and a bass player are supposed to be in the same key and play in the same time meter. They make changes according to how the music is written on the sheet music.

In Hip Hop, especially when people sample, the rules go out the window. Compare Doggystyle to 36 Chambers. Doggystyle is musically correct. The bassline and the synths are in key with each other. Wu Tang on the other hand isn't in key.

I think the best example of Hip Hop that isn't in key would be Wu Tang, Gang Starr and Public Enemy. If you tried to get musicians to replay their music they couldn't really do it because its not musically proper.

Having said that, I love Wu Tang, Gang Starr and Public Enemy as much as I love Marvin Gaye, Stevie Wonder and Michael Jackson.

 

[CapitalB]

Read thru the thread n 99% of it is ppl being biased to the side theyre on, not surprising.

West coast was harder, faster, catchier.

East coast was more conscious, slower, grittier.

U never had to decipher a west coast rappers lyrics so it was more simple. But no one tryna hear Nas in a club.

It really that difficult?

Also the perception that if you have a bunch of metaphors in your songs somehow it's deeper and has more meaning as if simply being direct doesn't have the same impact lyrically

right!

niggas think they tight cause they complicate the simplest of shit..

thats not intelligence.. actually its the opposite..

an intelligent person can take whats complex and make it simple..

 

[5th Letter]

The reality is the west and South's rap sounded like music and has soul to it.... in comparison to that boom bap head phone music

this makes no sense

Yeah it does. The West Coast cats and the Southern cats were following the rules of music. Their music had basslines and synthesizers and the music was in key. In contrast East Coast producers were flipping samples in a manner that didn't observe the rules of music.

Listen to this song by Jeru the Damaja. The sample doesn't follow the rules of music.

Me Or The Papes - Jeru The Damaja

What are the rules of music?

http://music.tutsplus.com/tutorials/the-rule-of-three-and-music--audio-1389
http://www.artsreformation.com/a001/ih-music-rules.html

Summarize that because I'm not clicking that link.

Basically there's rules of music. There's notes and chords and time meters. Generally speaking instruments are supposed to be in key with each other. A piano player and a bass player are supposed to be in the same key and play in the same time meter. They make changes according to how the music is written on the sheet music.

In Hip Hop, especially when people sample, the rules go out the window. Compare Doggystyle to 36 Chambers. Doggystyle is musically correct. The bassline and the synths are in key with each other. Wu Tang on the other hand isn't in key.

I think the best example of Hip Hop that isn't in key would be Wu Tang, Gang Starr and Public Enemy. If you tried to get musicians to replay their music they couldn't really do it because its not musically proper.

Having said that, I love Wu Tang, Gang Starr and Public Enemy as much as I love Marvin Gaye, Stevie Wonder and Michael Jackson.

Hip Hop has never played by the rules based on pure definitions. So that doesn't matter imo.

 

[its....JOHN B]

@BOSSExcellence I'm not asking you to tell me this is better than Westcoast music, I'm not telling you to tell me you can grab some hoes listening to this, but tell me this isn't the shit and it's not even super lyrical like that

 

[5 Grand]

The reality is the west and South's rap sounded like music and has soul to it.... in comparison to that boom bap head phone music

this makes no sense

Yeah it does. The West Coast cats and the Southern cats were following the rules of music. Their music had basslines and synthesizers and the music was in key. In contrast East Coast producers were flipping samples in a manner that didn't observe the rules of music.

Listen to this song by Jeru the Damaja. The sample doesn't follow the rules of music.

Me Or The Papes - Jeru The Damaja

What are the rules of music?

http://music.tutsplus.com/tutorials/the-rule-of-three-and-music--audio-1389
http://www.artsreformation.com/a001/ih-music-rules.html

Summarize that because I'm not clicking that link.

Basically there's rules of music. There's notes and chords and time meters. Generally speaking instruments are supposed to be in key with each other. A piano player and a bass player are supposed to be in the same key and play in the same time meter. They make changes according to how the music is written on the sheet music.

In Hip Hop, especially when people sample, the rules go out the window. Compare Doggystyle to 36 Chambers. Doggystyle is musically correct. The bassline and the synths are in key with each other. Wu Tang on the other hand isn't in key.

I think the best example of Hip Hop that isn't in key would be Wu Tang, Gang Starr and Public Enemy. If you tried to get musicians to replay their music they couldn't really do it because its not musically proper.

Having said that, I love Wu Tang, Gang Starr and Public Enemy as much as I love Marvin Gaye, Stevie Wonder and Michael Jackson.

Hip Hop has never played by the rules based on pure definitions. So that doesn't matter imo.

Yeah but the West Coast G-Funk was by the rules and I guess thats why it appealed to a broader audience.

 

[CapitalB]

http://youtu.be/BlKldHCQLDo

@BOSSExcellence I'm not asking you to tell me this is better than Westcoast music, I'm not telling you to tell me you can grab some hoes listening to this, but tell me this isn't the shit and it's not even super lyrical like that

okay..

gimme a second tho..

let me stop countin this money and entertainin these bitches in front of me. hahahahahhahaha

nah im bullshittin. hahaha

im not doin neither..

imma go in my office so i can play it on my speakers and not my phone...

or should i get some headphones? lol

 

[HerbalVaporCapers]

http://youtu.be/BlKldHCQLDo

@BOSSExcellence I'm not asking you to tell me this is better than Westcoast music, I'm not telling you to tell me you can grab some hoes listening to this, but tell me this isn't the shit and it's not even super lyrical like that

okay..

gimme a second tho..

let me stop countin this money and entertainin these bitches in front of me. hahahahahhahaha

nah im bullshittin. hahaha

im not doin neither..

imma go in my office so i can play it on my speakers and not my phone...

or should i get some headphones? lol

You might have to hop on the train first

 

[CapitalB]

http://youtu.be/BlKldHCQLDo

@BOSSExcellence I'm not asking you to tell me this is better than Westcoast music, I'm not telling you to tell me you can grab some hoes listening to this, but tell me this isn't the shit and it's not even super lyrical like that

lol i cant help but find the irony of this nigga stressin how he's not the "average nigga" wit average rhymes over an average beat. hahahaha

but i mean.. it wasnt horrible..

but say he listened to Shirt Dog he'd have been hip to them last two bitches. hahaha

 

[CapitalB]

i listened to the whole thing out of respect myG..

but that nigga sounded awkward as fuck on that track..

as if talkin about girls makes him uncomfortable. hahaha

 

[Go figure]

Read thru the thread n 99% of it is ppl being biased to the side theyre on, not surprising.

West coast was harder, faster, catchier.

East coast was more conscious, slower, grittier.

U never had to decipher a west coast rappers lyrics so it was more simple. But no one tryna hear Nas in a club.

It really that difficult?

Also the perception that if you have a bunch of metaphors in your songs somehow it's deeper and has more meaning as if simply being direct doesn't have the same impact lyrically

Word to Lupe

I was into dude since fahrenheit 1/15 days when Gemstones was still Gemini but now listening to his shit feels like solving an anime crossword puzzle just doesnt do it for me. Not gonna knock anyone whos into that tho

 

[EyeofAsaru]

This Nigga got nerve to say jeru is average and then recommending them elementary ass "fisher price my first rap song"Too short rhymes with the same ol flow he been using since 88 lol...

West coast niggas are some funny muthafuckas

 

[HerbalVaporCapers]

This Nigga got nerve to say jeru is average and then recommending them elementary ass "fisher price my first rap song"Too short rhymes with the same ol flow he been using since 88 lol...

West coast niggas are some funny muthafuckas

We'll be funny then

Hoes like senses of humor

Here's short with some actual game, but since it's not some my nine spray/my mind spray shit you might not feel it