How Come Mid 90s NY Rap Didn't Sell?

[hiphop12345]

Men lie, women lie, Non East Coasters lie, but numbers don't.

Highest Selling Album: The Notorious B.I.G., Life After Death (more than 10 million sold)

Most Plaques: 9 (MC New York: 7 Platinum, 2 Gold)

Rap Songs That Hit No. 1 on Billboard Hot 100: 13

Year with Most Rap No. 1s: 1997 (Puff Daddy feat. Ma$e, “Can’t Nobody Hold Me Down;” The Notorious B.I.G, “Hypnotize;” Puff Daddy, “I’ll Be Missing You;” The Notorious B.I.G., “Mo Money Mo Problems”)

Rap Albums That Hit No. 1 on Billboard 200: 35 (MC Hammer, Please Hammer Don’t Hurt Em [1990]; Vanilla Ice, To the Extreme [1990]; N.W.A., Niggaz4Life [1991]; Kriss Kross, Totally Krossed Out [1992]; Ice Cube, The Predator [1992]; Snoop Doggy Dogg, Doggystyle [1993]; Beastie Boys, Ill Communication [1994]; MC New York, Me Against The World [1995]; Bone Thugs-N-Harmony, E 1999 Eternal [1995]; Tha Dogg Pound, Dogg Food [1995]; MC New York, All Eyez On Me [1996]; Fugees, The Score [1996]; Nas, It Was Written [1996]; A Tribe Called Quest, Beats, Rhymes and Life [1996]; MC New York, The Don Killuminati: The 7 Day Theory [1996], Various Artists, Gridlock’d Soundtrack [1997]; The Notorious B.I.G., Life After Death [1997]; Puff Daddy and the Family, No Way Out [1997]; Wu-Tang Clan, Wu-Tang Forever [1997]; Bone Thugs-N-Harmony, The Art of War [1997]; Master P, Ghetto D [1997]; The Firm, The Firm [1997]; Ma$e, Harlem World [1997]; DMX, It’s Dark and Hell Is Hot [1997]; Master P, MP tha Last Don [1998]; Beastie Boys, Hello Nasty [1998]; Snoop Doggy Dogg, The Game Is to Be Sold Not Told [1998]; Jay-Z, Vol. 2…Hard Knock Life [1998]; DMX, Flesh of My Flesh Blood of My Blood [1998]; Silkk Da Shocker, Made Men [1999], Foxy Brown, Chyna Doll [1999]; Nas, I Am [1999]; Ruff Ryders, Ryde or Die Vol. 1 [1999]; Eve, Ruff Ryders First Lady [1999]; The Notorious B.I.G., Born Again [1999])

^^19 of the 35 albums. East Coast WHAT!

Most No. 1 Billboard Hot 100 Songs: 2, The Notorious B.I.G.

Most No. 1 Billboard 200 Albums: 3, MC New York

Most Albums Released By One Artist: 9 (MC New York: 3 posthumous, including one with the Outlawz)

Diamond Albums: 3 (The Notorious B.I.G., Life After Death, MC Hammer, Please Hammer Don’t Hurt Em, Vanilla Ice, To The Extreme)

Most Grammys: 7 (Lauryn Hill, both as a solo artist and with The Fugees)

Most Non-Rap Category Grammys: 6 (Lauryn Hill)

Most Expensive Video: $2.7 million (Puff Daddy featuring The Notorious B.I.G. and Busta Rhymes, “Victory”)

Female Rap Acts Going Platinum: 7 (Da Brat, Lil Kim; Lauryn Hill; Salt-n-Pepa; Foxy Brown; Missy Elliott; Eve)

Read More: The 1990s in Hip-Hop: By The Numbers - XXL |http://www.xxlmag.com/news/2011/06/the-1990s-in-hip-hop-by-the-numbers/?trackback=tsmclip

The albums in bold don't really fit the premise of this thread. It Was Written, The Score and Beats Rhymes and Life did well and came out in 1996 but the remainder of those albums came out in the latter part of the decade. Puffy and Bad Boy ran the table in 1997, but prior to 1997 it seemed like there was a lot of hot music coming out of the East coast that was being overshadowed by what was happening on the West Coast.

Even if you look at It Was Written, Nas had to change his style up to go double platinum. Personally I wouldn't have minded if he gave us another Illmatic.

Also The Fugees first album didn't sell, albeit I've never heard it and from what I understand it wasn't that good.

*Checks thread title*

Fuck it, if you wanna argue go ahead and argue

He named 23 albums and only 4 of them were from the mid 90s

People done mention Platinum Trick Daddy albums. Your Thread been got jacked.

Lmao he went gold twice in the 90's his platinum album was in 01. You acting like I said something outrageous, I see you had no rebuttal for the mystikal and juvenile going Plat statement

My rebuttal was also including other artist in the late 90's. I was going by the thread title and evens aid I view the artist you listed as 2000's artist just like 50 cent. Then all of a sudden when the stats shows that NY won the 90's it's "Nah partna, some of those albums are late".

 

[BlackAX410]

Men lie, women lie, Non East Coasters lie, but numbers don't.

Highest Selling Album: The Notorious B.I.G., Life After Death (more than 10 million sold)

Most Plaques: 9 (MC New York: 7 Platinum, 2 Gold)

Rap Songs That Hit No. 1 on Billboard Hot 100: 13

Year with Most Rap No. 1s: 1997 (Puff Daddy feat. Ma$e, “Can’t Nobody Hold Me Down;” The Notorious B.I.G, “Hypnotize;” Puff Daddy, “I’ll Be Missing You;” The Notorious B.I.G., “Mo Money Mo Problems”)

Rap Albums That Hit No. 1 on Billboard 200: 35 (MC Hammer, Please Hammer Don’t Hurt Em [1990]; Vanilla Ice, To the Extreme [1990]; N.W.A., Niggaz4Life [1991]; Kriss Kross, Totally Krossed Out [1992]; Ice Cube, The Predator [1992]; Snoop Doggy Dogg, Doggystyle [1993]; Beastie Boys, Ill Communication [1994]; MC New York, Me Against The World [1995]; Bone Thugs-N-Harmony, E 1999 Eternal [1995]; Tha Dogg Pound, Dogg Food [1995]; MC New York, All Eyez On Me [1996]; Fugees, The Score [1996]; Nas, It Was Written [1996]; A Tribe Called Quest, Beats, Rhymes and Life [1996]; MC New York, The Don Killuminati: The 7 Day Theory [1996], Various Artists, Gridlock’d Soundtrack [1997]; The Notorious B.I.G., Life After Death [1997]; Puff Daddy and the Family, No Way Out [1997]; Wu-Tang Clan, Wu-Tang Forever [1997]; Bone Thugs-N-Harmony, The Art of War [1997]; Master P, Ghetto D [1997]; The Firm, The Firm [1997]; Ma$e, Harlem World [1997]; DMX, It’s Dark and Hell Is Hot [1997]; Master P, MP tha Last Don [1998]; Beastie Boys, Hello Nasty [1998]; Snoop Doggy Dogg, The Game Is to Be Sold Not Told [1998]; Jay-Z, Vol. 2…Hard Knock Life [1998]; DMX, Flesh of My Flesh Blood of My Blood [1998]; Silkk Da Shocker, Made Men [1999], Foxy Brown, Chyna Doll [1999]; Nas, I Am [1999]; Ruff Ryders, Ryde or Die Vol. 1 [1999]; Eve, Ruff Ryders First Lady [1999]; The Notorious B.I.G., Born Again [1999])

^^19 of the 35 albums. East Coast WHAT!

Most No. 1 Billboard Hot 100 Songs: 2, The Notorious B.I.G.

Most No. 1 Billboard 200 Albums: 3, MC New York

Most Albums Released By One Artist: 9 (MC New York: 3 posthumous, including one with the Outlawz)

Diamond Albums: 3 (The Notorious B.I.G., Life After Death, MC Hammer, Please Hammer Don’t Hurt Em, Vanilla Ice, To The Extreme)

Most Grammys: 7 (Lauryn Hill, both as a solo artist and with The Fugees)

Most Non-Rap Category Grammys: 6 (Lauryn Hill)

Most Expensive Video: $2.7 million (Puff Daddy featuring The Notorious B.I.G. and Busta Rhymes, “Victory”)

Female Rap Acts Going Platinum: 7 (Da Brat, Lil Kim; Lauryn Hill; Salt-n-Pepa; Foxy Brown; Missy Elliott; Eve)

Read More: The 1990s in Hip-Hop: By The Numbers - XXL |http://www.xxlmag.com/news/2011/06/the-1990s-in-hip-hop-by-the-numbers/?trackback=tsmclip

The albums in bold don't really fit the premise of this thread. It Was Written, The Score and Beats Rhymes and Life did well and came out in 1996 but the remainder of those albums came out in the latter part of the decade. Puffy and Bad Boy ran the table in 1997, but prior to 1997 it seemed like there was a lot of hot music coming out of the East coast that was being overshadowed by what was happening on the West Coast.

Even if you look at It Was Written, Nas had to change his style up to go double platinum. Personally I wouldn't have minded if he gave us another Illmatic.

Also The Fugees first album didn't sell, albeit I've never heard it and from what I understand it wasn't that good.

*Checks thread title*

Fuck it, if you wanna argue go ahead and argue

He named 23 albums and only 4 of them were from the mid 90s

People done mention Platinum Trick Daddy albums. Your Thread been got jacked.

Lmao he went gold twice in the 90's his platinum album was in 01. You acting like I said something outrageous, I see you had no rebuttal for the mystikal and juvenile going Plat statement

My rebuttal was also including other artist in the late 90's. I was going by the thread title and evens aid I view the artist you listed as 2000's artist just like 50 cent. Then all of a sudden when the stats shows that NY won the 90's it's "Nah partna, some of those albums are late".

Lol I didn't say that and 400 degreez, unpredictable and ghetto fabulous were released in the 90's so those artists shouldn't be strictly for the 2000's IMO

 

[hiphop12345]

Men lie, women lie, Non East Coasters lie, but numbers don't.

Highest Selling Album: The Notorious B.I.G., Life After Death (more than 10 million sold)

Most Plaques: 9 (MC New York: 7 Platinum, 2 Gold)

Rap Songs That Hit No. 1 on Billboard Hot 100: 13

Year with Most Rap No. 1s: 1997 (Puff Daddy feat. Ma$e, “Can’t Nobody Hold Me Down;” The Notorious B.I.G, “Hypnotize;” Puff Daddy, “I’ll Be Missing You;” The Notorious B.I.G., “Mo Money Mo Problems”)

Rap Albums That Hit No. 1 on Billboard 200: 35 (MC Hammer, Please Hammer Don’t Hurt Em [1990]; Vanilla Ice, To the Extreme [1990]; N.W.A., Niggaz4Life [1991]; Kriss Kross, Totally Krossed Out [1992]; Ice Cube, The Predator [1992]; Snoop Doggy Dogg, Doggystyle [1993]; Beastie Boys, Ill Communication [1994]; MC New York, Me Against The World [1995]; Bone Thugs-N-Harmony, E 1999 Eternal [1995]; Tha Dogg Pound, Dogg Food [1995]; MC New York, All Eyez On Me [1996]; Fugees, The Score [1996]; Nas, It Was Written [1996]; A Tribe Called Quest, Beats, Rhymes and Life [1996]; MC New York, The Don Killuminati: The 7 Day Theory [1996], Various Artists, Gridlock’d Soundtrack [1997]; The Notorious B.I.G., Life After Death [1997]; Puff Daddy and the Family, No Way Out [1997]; Wu-Tang Clan, Wu-Tang Forever [1997]; Bone Thugs-N-Harmony, The Art of War [1997]; Master P, Ghetto D [1997]; The Firm, The Firm [1997]; Ma$e, Harlem World [1997]; DMX, It’s Dark and Hell Is Hot [1997]; Master P, MP tha Last Don [1998]; Beastie Boys, Hello Nasty [1998]; Snoop Doggy Dogg, The Game Is to Be Sold Not Told [1998]; Jay-Z, Vol. 2…Hard Knock Life [1998]; DMX, Flesh of My Flesh Blood of My Blood [1998]; Silkk Da Shocker, Made Men [1999], Foxy Brown, Chyna Doll [1999]; Nas, I Am [1999]; Ruff Ryders, Ryde or Die Vol. 1 [1999]; Eve, Ruff Ryders First Lady [1999]; The Notorious B.I.G., Born Again [1999])

^^19 of the 35 albums. East Coast WHAT!

Most No. 1 Billboard Hot 100 Songs: 2, The Notorious B.I.G.

Most No. 1 Billboard 200 Albums: 3, MC New York

Most Albums Released By One Artist: 9 (MC New York: 3 posthumous, including one with the Outlawz)

Diamond Albums: 3 (The Notorious B.I.G., Life After Death, MC Hammer, Please Hammer Don’t Hurt Em, Vanilla Ice, To The Extreme)

Most Grammys: 7 (Lauryn Hill, both as a solo artist and with The Fugees)

Most Non-Rap Category Grammys: 6 (Lauryn Hill)

Most Expensive Video: $2.7 million (Puff Daddy featuring The Notorious B.I.G. and Busta Rhymes, “Victory”)

Female Rap Acts Going Platinum: 7 (Da Brat, Lil Kim; Lauryn Hill; Salt-n-Pepa; Foxy Brown; Missy Elliott; Eve)

Read More: The 1990s in Hip-Hop: By The Numbers - XXL |http://www.xxlmag.com/news/2011/06/the-1990s-in-hip-hop-by-the-numbers/?trackback=tsmclip

The albums in bold don't really fit the premise of this thread. It Was Written, The Score and Beats Rhymes and Life did well and came out in 1996 but the remainder of those albums came out in the latter part of the decade. Puffy and Bad Boy ran the table in 1997, but prior to 1997 it seemed like there was a lot of hot music coming out of the East coast that was being overshadowed by what was happening on the West Coast.

Even if you look at It Was Written, Nas had to change his style up to go double platinum. Personally I wouldn't have minded if he gave us another Illmatic.

Also The Fugees first album didn't sell, albeit I've never heard it and from what I understand it wasn't that good.

*Checks thread title*

Fuck it, if you wanna argue go ahead and argue

He named 23 albums and only 4 of them were from the mid 90s

People done mention Platinum Trick Daddy albums. Your Thread been got jacked.

Lmao he went gold twice in the 90's his platinum album was in 01. You acting like I said something outrageous, I see you had no rebuttal for the mystikal and juvenile going Plat statement

My rebuttal was also including other artist in the late 90's. I was going by the thread title and evens aid I view the artist you listed as 2000's artist just like 50 cent. Then all of a sudden when the stats shows that NY won the 90's it's "Nah partna, some of those albums are late".

Lol I didn't say that and 400 degreez, unpredictable and ghetto fabulous were released in the 90's so those artists shouldn't be strictly for the 2000's IMO

People moving the goal post when convenient. Cutting off at the mid 90's will make other regions look even worst.

 

[luke1733]

not to make it a nas fest, but Nas did a bit more for rap then just put some rhymes together as some are kinda saying. He kinda was instrumental in about 20 rappers entire flows who bit directly off him. He kept the intelligence in rap, the gangster intricate storytelling, helping to incorporate black pride and history in songs without being corny, being political and tying it into how things effect us going on outside the street level while also staying street and hood,longevity while remaining relevant, telling stories backwards, internationally known battle raps, the only immediate relevant rapper that was accepted as king (even in the south) when Pac and Biggie died (Jay-Z was not really known at that time no matter how great he thinks reasonable doubt was.) [/b]

Basically not respecting Nas as top echelon is like not recognizing Andre 3000 because sometimes he gets deep.

 

[emanuel08]

The reality is the west and South's rap sounded like music and has soul to it.... in comparison to that boom bap head phone music

this right here

 

[BedStuy]

while we on it..

All Eyez On Me >>> Street Dreams hahahaha

I gave you power>>>me and my girlfriend

Bottom line; Nas is better at rapping than 2Pac. I'm not talking about his ear for beats or his discography, I'm just saying when it comes to rapping Nas is better.

okay.. cause rhyming is the only thing we judge artist on!!?

no wonder u NY niggas is lost..

"Nas is more lyrical than Pac" okay and!!?

amd Steph Curry can shoot the three better then LeBron..

ur point!!? lol

Listen man, 5 grand isn't from New York. Stop giving him to us

quoted for emphasis

 

[HerbalVaporCapers]

while we on it..

All Eyez On Me >>> Street Dreams hahahaha

I gave you power>>>me and my girlfriend

Bottom line; Nas is better at rapping than 2Pac. I'm not talking about his ear for beats or his discography, I'm just saying when it comes to rapping Nas is better.

okay.. cause rhyming is the only thing we judge artist on!!?

no wonder u NY niggas is lost..

"Nas is more lyrical than Pac" okay and!!?

amd Steph Curry can shoot the three better then LeBron..

ur point!!? lol

Listen man, 5 grand isn't from New York. Stop giving him to us

Word, he's from Newton, Massachusetts the Booty Bandit Mecca

 

[BenjaminE]

@5grand yo people disowning you...

 

[5 Grand]

@5grand yo people disowning you...

There's nothing worse than getting clowned by somebody who thinks Warren G is better than Nas.

 

[BenjaminE]

@5grand yo people disowning you...

There's nothing worse than getting clowned by somebody who thinks Warren G is better than Nas.

You need more people...

 

[Mr_Vicodin81G]

Hip-hop12345, you gon mess around & miss your stop on the train; trying to keep up with the thread

Nothing Wrong with trains. I prefer Teslas though.

Average Salary for a NYC subway rider:

$55,000

Sorry homie but the highest selling hip hop album of all time comes from the South. Speakerboxxx/The Love Below is the highest selling hip hop album.

And why yall tryna claim Krisk Kross for? They from Atlanta.

Speakerboxxx came out in the 90's? I know southern public schools is on 3rd world levels so here:
http://khanacademy.org/ and start at basic arrhythmic.

Ya dumb train riding ass still ain't answer why yall claim Kriss Kross?