How Come Mid 90s NY Rap Didn't Sell?

[a_list]

Shyt sold, it just wasnt going multi plat etc.....Really cant call it though...I would say the gritty sampling but 36 Chambers, Tical, Onyx, Naughty By Nature {Jersey} and a few others tell me otherwise....Westcoast sound was just in at that time...

most of what you listed is early 90s though.

B the albums I said were out around the same time as the albums 5 said....Dude Went from Midnight Marauders to Reasonable Doubt thats 93 till 96 but left out multi-platinum albums Like RTD, IWW, The Score, and Tical and 36 Chambers....36 Chambers and Doggystyle came out within a month of each other....Bacdafucup came out not too long after the Chronic..

 

[its....JOHN B]

I'm trying to figure out why the man most responsible for the west being as successful as it was and the whole sound that this fool claims you can only get pussy and money too decided to work with east coast artists and put together a label filled with east coast artists

 

[its....JOHN B]

I'll go bump sun rises in the east in my new truck right now and get some pussy man shut the fuck up with that delusional shit

 

[Jabu_Rule]

I think the West Coast also had the good fortune of movie exposure. Dre came out with Snoop off of a soundtrack and it only got bigger from there. Dre was just a huge producer that resonated with people and everybody was basically using his sound. It wasn't the same when he left and he was still moving units beyond the West Coast sound. A person like Coolio was in that MC Hammer lane and was more mainstream. Was others selling like that on the west? What was MC Eiht pushing on his debut? The thing that bugs me out is how the West only gets credit for the Funk sound when EPMD sampled it heavy and created a group that spawned Red Man who also had that funky sound. I prefered the music of the mid 80s to early 90s but only LL sold during that time. They were getting stadium dollars though. NWA was part of that sound and they kept it going into the early to mid 90s with the same energy.

 

[CapitalB]

I'll go bump sun rises in the east in my new truck right now and get some pussy man shut the fuck up with that delusional shit

who?? hahahha

nigga out here gettin that geriatric pussy! lol

 

[CapitalB]

I'm trying to figure out why the man most responsible for the west being as successful as it was and the whole sound that this fool claims you can only get pussy and money too decided to work with east coast artists and put together a label filled with east coast artists

who u talkin about?? Dre faggot ass and that weak ass "been there done that shit!?" lol

yall listened to that bullshit!!

Dre ran to the east cause he was tired of gettin punked out this way.. changed his whole MO sound and everything.. nigga was scared straight. lol

 

[its....JOHN B]

Foh in reality more white people were in to g funk therefore more record sales, close thread

 

[its....JOHN B]

Bumping this shit now, pussy is flooding in

 

[uncommonsense]

NY can't blame nobody but themselves considering y'all had all the resources and labels within arms reach.

Some good music was being made but from an outsiders POV it comes off as a inside joke if they don't understand and can't relate to what the fuck you talking about. That casual nonsense y'all saying is just a cop for nobody wanting to hear the shit outside your area.

As populated as it is up there there ain't no excuse for some of the albums listed not selling. Yall was happy as hell being stuck in your own boomBOX and wasn't even supporting some of your best artist.

Meanwhile kats down here was independent eating and feastin out the back of their trunk with debut albums due to the fact those same doors that were wide open to y'all was shut tight for us. We wasn't trippin it just made our hustle and grind that much more potent.

Prince laid the blueprint but DJ Screw was our own major label and A&R.

 

[5 Grand]

I don't think anyone is disputing the fact that the west was more popular at that point, only that new york was more successful then you are giving them credit for. Wu-tang went double platinum with their first album, LL cool J was selling two mill on every album, Biggie went 5 times platinum with his first album which came out in 94, and thats not even factoring in the beastie boys who were massive stars. To make it seem like New York was a non factor is just false.

Those sales figures are after the fact. Wu Tang's first album went gold at the time. LL Cool J might have gone plat but he didn't go double plat until much later. And Biggie is generally credited with "bringing the East back" but Ready to Die only sold double plat at the time. It didn't sell 5 mil until much later.

 

[CapitalB]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rw3K8pZnTNY

Bumping this shit now, pussy is flooding in

the fuck!!? hahahah

look i got an older cousin.. 4yrs my senior and i aint go front him.. he was on Tupac loooong before he blew up and he put me on to Outkast back in the day.. nigga was a music head..

nigga use to listen to this type of bullshit and we use to clown the shit out if him..

and guess what???

guess who out of all the boys in my family the only one who grew up to not get no money and no pussy??! hahahahaha

he probably know this bullshit word for word. lol

 

[CapitalB]

i did like when he played Das Efx tho..

i aint go even front..

but nah..

u fuckin bitches wit deeper voices then u to that shit! hahahaa

 

[its....JOHN B]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rw3K8pZnTNY

Bumping this shit now, pussy is flooding in

the fuck!!? hahahah

look i got an older cousin.. 4yrs my senior and i aint go front him.. he was on Tupac loooong before he blew up and he put me on to Outkast back in the day.. nigga was a music head..

nigga use to listen to this type of bullshit and we use to clown the shit out if him..

and guess what???

guess who out of all the boys in my family the only one who grew up to not get no money and no pussy??! hahahahaha

he probably know this bullshit word for word. lol

Character flaw on your part...kinda like trying to live a rapper lifestyle when you're pushing 40....

 

[Trollio]

Somebody in they feelings

 

[CapitalB]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rw3K8pZnTNY

Bumping this shit now, pussy is flooding in

the fuck!!? hahahah

look i got an older cousin.. 4yrs my senior and i aint go front him.. he was on Tupac loooong before he blew up and he put me on to Outkast back in the day.. nigga was a music head..

nigga use to listen to this type of bullshit and we use to clown the shit out if him..

and guess what???

guess who out of all the boys in my family the only one who grew up to not get no money and no pussy??! hahahahaha

he probably know this bullshit word for word. lol

Character flaw on your part...kinda like trying to live a rapper lifestyle when you're pushing 40....

funny..

i thought it was the other way around..

rappers flowin my lifestyle seein as they the ones broke!!? :sunglasses:

 

[DR. JEK]

Because no one knew who nas was. You're making it seem like every west coast rapper was selling 5 mil every album. It was basically just three guys, tupac, dre and snoop and it took tupac three albums before he really started moving units.

Nah Coolio went plat on his first album It Takes a Thief and 2X plat with Gangstas Paradise (Fantastic Voyage and Gangstas Paradise were huge in Boston)

Regulate...G Funk Era went 3X Plat

Lethal Injection went Platinum

Dogg Food went 2X Plat

Bottom line West Coast rap was outselling East Coast rap until 97 when Puffy took over. Bad Boy sold 30 Million units in 1997 because they had a formula; they sampled hits from the 80s and had a R&B chick sing the chorus. But what I want to know is how come albums like Illmatic, Only Built For Cuban Linx and The Sun Rises In The East weren't making people go to the record store and copping.

because you're not listening. All the rappidy rap shit just wasn't what people was tryna party to

 

[DR. JEK]

This is part of a @5grand series of threads where he poses a question with an obvious answer to make it look as if you are admitting that since west coast music was more popular than east coast boom bap with the casual music buying public that boom bap is some how more intellectual and legit than music from any other region...

I'm from the west and we hold old school hip hop in high regards... get off your isolated high horse...

How old are you?

Do you even remember the mid 90s?

I was born in 83... yes, I remember the mid 90s...

So you were a teen. You can probably explain it better than I can. I was in my 20s and we used to laugh at West Coast rappers. We thought New York rappers could rap circles around West Coast rappers.

Just like Slaughterhouse could rap circles around Jay Z these days, I'm sure you will buy Jigga shit tho over theirs if they drop the same day and you only had enough for one tho right? Same dynamic with the Westcoast mainstream vs Eastcoast backpackers

 

[Louis Devinear]

Somebody in they feelings

@BOSSExcellence

 

[Louis Devinear]

I'm wacking you cause you hate Nyc music.

You was wearing flannel shirts, raider hats and Jheri curls.

You still the big homie though.

West west y'all

 

[5 Grand]

Because no one knew who nas was. You're making it seem like every west coast rapper was selling 5 mil every album. It was basically just three guys, tupac, dre and snoop and it took tupac three albums before he really started moving units.

Nah Coolio went plat on his first album It Takes a Thief and 2X plat with Gangstas Paradise (Fantastic Voyage and Gangstas Paradise were huge in Boston)

Regulate...G Funk Era went 3X Plat

Lethal Injection went Platinum

Dogg Food went 2X Plat

Bottom line West Coast rap was outselling East Coast rap until 97 when Puffy took over. Bad Boy sold 30 Million units in 1997 because they had a formula; they sampled hits from the 80s and had a R&B chick sing the chorus. But what I want to know is how come albums like Illmatic, Only Built For Cuban Linx and The Sun Rises In The East weren't making people go to the record store and copping.

because you're not listening. All the rappidy rap shit just wasn't what people was tryna party to

Why?

And its not all about party music. If an album like Illmatic or Cuban Linx gets 5 mics in The Source, yeah it might not be party music but its still good music regardless.

I think the answer I'm looking for is that East Coast producers weren't putting any sub-bass in their beats. Whoever posted that Jeru the Damaja track pretty much explained it.

Puf Daddy figured it out. He put the sub-bass in the One More Chance (remix) and it was all Bad Boy from that point forward.