How Come Mid 90s NY Rap Didn't Sell?

[hiphop12345]

Men lie, women lie, Non East Coasters lie, but numbers don't.

Highest Selling Album: The Notorious B.I.G., Life After Death (more than 10 million sold)

Most Plaques: 9 (MC New York: 7 Platinum, 2 Gold)

Rap Songs That Hit No. 1 on Billboard Hot 100: 13

Year with Most Rap No. 1s: 1997 (Puff Daddy feat. Ma$e, “Can’t Nobody Hold Me Down;” The Notorious B.I.G, “Hypnotize;” Puff Daddy, “I’ll Be Missing You;” The Notorious B.I.G., “Mo Money Mo Problems”)

Rap Albums That Hit No. 1 on Billboard 200: 35 (MC Hammer, Please Hammer Don’t Hurt Em [1990]; Vanilla Ice, To the Extreme [1990]; N.W.A., Niggaz4Life [1991]; Kriss Kross, Totally Krossed Out [1992]; Ice Cube, The Predator [1992]; Snoop Doggy Dogg, Doggystyle [1993]; Beastie Boys, Ill Communication [1994]; MC New York, Me Against The World [1995]; Bone Thugs-N-Harmony, E 1999 Eternal [1995]; Tha Dogg Pound, Dogg Food [1995]; MC New York, All Eyez On Me [1996]; Fugees, The Score [1996]; Nas, It Was Written [1996]; A Tribe Called Quest, Beats, Rhymes and Life [1996]; MC New York, The Don Killuminati: The 7 Day Theory [1996], Various Artists, Gridlock’d Soundtrack [1997]; The Notorious B.I.G., Life After Death [1997]; Puff Daddy and the Family, No Way Out [1997]; Wu-Tang Clan, Wu-Tang Forever [1997]; Bone Thugs-N-Harmony, The Art of War [1997]; Master P, Ghetto D [1997]; The Firm, The Firm [1997]; Ma$e, Harlem World [1997]; DMX, It’s Dark and Hell Is Hot [1997]; Master P, MP tha Last Don [1998]; Beastie Boys, Hello Nasty [1998]; Snoop Doggy Dogg, The Game Is to Be Sold Not Told [1998]; Jay-Z, Vol. 2…Hard Knock Life [1998]; DMX, Flesh of My Flesh Blood of My Blood [1998]; Silkk Da Shocker, Made Men [1999], Foxy Brown, Chyna Doll [1999]; Nas, I Am [1999]; Ruff Ryders, Ryde or Die Vol. 1 [1999]; Eve, Ruff Ryders First Lady [1999]; The Notorious B.I.G., Born Again [1999])

^^19 of the 35 albums. East Coast WHAT!

Most No. 1 Billboard Hot 100 Songs: 2, The Notorious B.I.G.

Most No. 1 Billboard 200 Albums: 3, MC New York

Most Albums Released By One Artist: 9 (MC New York: 3 posthumous, including one with the Outlawz)

Diamond Albums: 3 (The Notorious B.I.G., Life After Death, MC Hammer, Please Hammer Don’t Hurt Em, Vanilla Ice, To The Extreme)

Most Grammys: 7 (Lauryn Hill, both as a solo artist and with The Fugees)

Most Non-Rap Category Grammys: 6 (Lauryn Hill)

Most Expensive Video: $2.7 million (Puff Daddy featuring The Notorious B.I.G. and Busta Rhymes, “Victory”)

Female Rap Acts Going Platinum: 7 (Da Brat, Lil Kim; Lauryn Hill; Salt-n-Pepa; Foxy Brown; Missy Elliott; Eve)

Read More: The 1990s in Hip-Hop: By The Numbers - XXL |http://www.xxlmag.com/news/2011/06/the-1990s-in-hip-hop-by-the-numbers/?trackback=tsmclip

The albums in bold don't really fit the premise of this thread. It Was Written, The Score and Beats Rhymes and Life did well and came out in 1996 but the remainder of those albums came out in the latter part of the decade. Puffy and Bad Boy ran the table in 1997, but prior to 1997 it seemed like there was a lot of hot music coming out of the East coast that was being overshadowed by what was happening on the West Coast.

Even if you look at It Was Written, Nas had to change his style up to go double platinum. Personally I wouldn't have minded if he gave us another Illmatic.

Also The Fugees first album didn't sell, albeit I've never heard it and from what I understand it wasn't that good.

*Checks thread title*

Fuck it, if you wanna argue go ahead and argue

He named 23 albums and only 4 of them were from the mid 90s

People done mention Platinum Trick Daddy albums. Your Thread been got jacked.

 

[Revolver Ocelot]

Yo why is thread so long. Summary?

5 Grand wants to know why certain east coast albums didn't sell as well as west coast albums

Folks explain to him that it was preference, style, they just like the artist more, etc. 5 Grand wouldn't or couldn't accept those explanations.

And it goes on for 20 pages.

Yea ima pass on reading this thread. Just making sure nothing crazy happened like last time 5 Grand caused a diamond thread...

@BobOblah

Whoa what he do that caused one last time???

@Soloman_The_Wise

I'm not sure I can properly describe it. Just read this whole thread and remember not to blink in 5 Grands hood.
http://community.allhiphop.com/disc...m-migos-caught-on-camera-beating-a-fool-up/p1

Yo, that nigga had to high on pcp or some shit to just come outta left field like that. still shit was funny af.

 

[soulbrother]

Ghostface said it best....Wu Tang makes you think and Puffy makes you dance...there's more dumb niggas than smart niggas in the world...(hince why Kodak Black, Lil uzi vert, Lil Yachty, Designer...etc are winning)

 

[BlackAX410]

Men lie, women lie, Non East Coasters lie, but numbers don't.

Highest Selling Album: The Notorious B.I.G., Life After Death (more than 10 million sold)

Most Plaques: 9 (MC New York: 7 Platinum, 2 Gold)

Rap Songs That Hit No. 1 on Billboard Hot 100: 13

Year with Most Rap No. 1s: 1997 (Puff Daddy feat. Ma$e, “Can’t Nobody Hold Me Down;” The Notorious B.I.G, “Hypnotize;” Puff Daddy, “I’ll Be Missing You;” The Notorious B.I.G., “Mo Money Mo Problems”)

Rap Albums That Hit No. 1 on Billboard 200: 35 (MC Hammer, Please Hammer Don’t Hurt Em [1990]; Vanilla Ice, To the Extreme [1990]; N.W.A., Niggaz4Life [1991]; Kriss Kross, Totally Krossed Out [1992]; Ice Cube, The Predator [1992]; Snoop Doggy Dogg, Doggystyle [1993]; Beastie Boys, Ill Communication [1994]; MC New York, Me Against The World [1995]; Bone Thugs-N-Harmony, E 1999 Eternal [1995]; Tha Dogg Pound, Dogg Food [1995]; MC New York, All Eyez On Me [1996]; Fugees, The Score [1996]; Nas, It Was Written [1996]; A Tribe Called Quest, Beats, Rhymes and Life [1996]; MC New York, The Don Killuminati: The 7 Day Theory [1996], Various Artists, Gridlock’d Soundtrack [1997]; The Notorious B.I.G., Life After Death [1997]; Puff Daddy and the Family, No Way Out [1997]; Wu-Tang Clan, Wu-Tang Forever [1997]; Bone Thugs-N-Harmony, The Art of War [1997]; Master P, Ghetto D [1997]; The Firm, The Firm [1997]; Ma$e, Harlem World [1997]; DMX, It’s Dark and Hell Is Hot [1997]; Master P, MP tha Last Don [1998]; Beastie Boys, Hello Nasty [1998]; Snoop Doggy Dogg, The Game Is to Be Sold Not Told [1998]; Jay-Z, Vol. 2…Hard Knock Life [1998]; DMX, Flesh of My Flesh Blood of My Blood [1998]; Silkk Da Shocker, Made Men [1999], Foxy Brown, Chyna Doll [1999]; Nas, I Am [1999]; Ruff Ryders, Ryde or Die Vol. 1 [1999]; Eve, Ruff Ryders First Lady [1999]; The Notorious B.I.G., Born Again [1999])

^^19 of the 35 albums. East Coast WHAT!

Most No. 1 Billboard Hot 100 Songs: 2, The Notorious B.I.G.

Most No. 1 Billboard 200 Albums: 3, MC New York

Most Albums Released By One Artist: 9 (MC New York: 3 posthumous, including one with the Outlawz)

Diamond Albums: 3 (The Notorious B.I.G., Life After Death, MC Hammer, Please Hammer Don’t Hurt Em, Vanilla Ice, To The Extreme)

Most Grammys: 7 (Lauryn Hill, both as a solo artist and with The Fugees)

Most Non-Rap Category Grammys: 6 (Lauryn Hill)

Most Expensive Video: $2.7 million (Puff Daddy featuring The Notorious B.I.G. and Busta Rhymes, “Victory”)

Female Rap Acts Going Platinum: 7 (Da Brat, Lil Kim; Lauryn Hill; Salt-n-Pepa; Foxy Brown; Missy Elliott; Eve)

Read More: The 1990s in Hip-Hop: By The Numbers - XXL |http://www.xxlmag.com/news/2011/06/the-1990s-in-hip-hop-by-the-numbers/?trackback=tsmclip

The albums in bold don't really fit the premise of this thread. It Was Written, The Score and Beats Rhymes and Life did well and came out in 1996 but the remainder of those albums came out in the latter part of the decade. Puffy and Bad Boy ran the table in 1997, but prior to 1997 it seemed like there was a lot of hot music coming out of the East coast that was being overshadowed by what was happening on the West Coast.

Even if you look at It Was Written, Nas had to change his style up to go double platinum. Personally I wouldn't have minded if he gave us another Illmatic.

Also The Fugees first album didn't sell, albeit I've never heard it and from what I understand it wasn't that good.

*Checks thread title*

Fuck it, if you wanna argue go ahead and argue

He named 23 albums and only 4 of them were from the mid 90s

People done mention Platinum Trick Daddy albums. Your Thread been got jacked.

Lmao he went gold twice in the 90's his platinum album was in 01. You acting like I said something outrageous, I see you had no rebuttal for the mystikal and juvenile going Plat statement

 

[blackrain]

Yo why is thread so long. Summary?

Because 5 Grand would rather listen to Life's A Bitch to have fun than anything else....

 

[Listencloser]

I am from Seattle Washington the hub of the Great Pacific Northwest in the Puget Sound...

So you never listened to Menace Soundtrack that shit kept systems rattling when it came out raw as fuck from a raw as fuck movie that is how I know yall are either just lying bitch ass haters or are so isolated and insulated by your regional shit that you can never see past...

Bottom line, if you don't remember when Shook Ones part 2 was out your opinions regarding this thread and its premise are irrelevant.

Spice 1>>> Mobb Deep I could on but there is no point let me put you onto some dope shit...




Bottom Line is thank Yahweh Hip Hop is not confined to your rules or it would be stuck in the East never getting a chance to shine all over the nation...

Hip Hop would be better if it stayed within the 5 boroughs. Word to I Used to Love Her.

How you gonna say that while quoting a Chicago MC? That makes no sense

Listen to the song, that Chicago MC even agrees that Hip Hop was better when it was in New York.

If Hip-Hop was so much better when it was in NY then how come some NY dudes were so quick to abandon their own style and hop on everyone else's style to try and stay popular?

Its called selling out. You give somebody a big, fat wad of cash and tell him to wear a top hat and a blazer with coattails and he'll wear it.

I remember the X Clan/Brand Nubian era. Thats when MCs used to drop knowledge and talk about African history but that shit didn't sell so they got pushed to the back and gangsta rap got pushed to the forefront because white kids liked it.

Back to the original topic. Illmatic came out in April 94, got 5 mics but didn't go gold. Warren G's Regulate...G Funk era came out in June 1994. Warren G sold 3X plat and got nominated for two grammys. "This D.J." was nominated for a 1995 Grammy Award for Best Rap Solo Performance, while "Regulate" was nominated for a 1995 Grammy for Best Rap Performance By A Duo Or Group.

So my question is; How is Warren G better than Nas? Or how was Regulate...G Funk Era better than Illmatic? Can somebody from the West please explain what you like about Warren G so much or what you didn't like about Illmatic?

Nas is in incredible rapper but Warren G's subject matter and choice of beats resonated more with our way of life. You can go to any family get together out here and hear that type of sound. That type of flow in the Chevy impala's driving to kick it at the beach or local hang out spots. Nas illmatic I guess fit y'all way of life. That project hallways and stair cases type shit that you can't expect us to gravitate to over shit that we had reppin our vibe. Come on now...why would we bump illmatic when Ice Cube had music out we could get?

Today Was A Good Day >>> Life's A Bitch

I'll reserve judgment until we get the sequel.

sequel?? what sequel??

im lost??

Today was a good day ended on a cliffhanger

 

[T. Sanford]

Life A B*tch serve its atmosphere but I need something like this


When I'm in the city lights on the weekends

 

[Soloman_The_Wise]

I am from Seattle Washington the hub of the Great Pacific Northwest in the Puget Sound...

So you never listened to Menace Soundtrack that shit kept systems rattling when it came out raw as fuck from a raw as fuck movie that is how I know yall are either just lying bitch ass haters or are so isolated and insulated by your regional shit that you can never see past...

Bottom line, if you don't remember when Shook Ones part 2 was out your opinions regarding this thread and its premise are irrelevant.

Spice 1>>> Mobb Deep I could on but there is no point let me put you onto some dope shit...




Bottom Line is thank Yahweh Hip Hop is not confined to your rules or it would be stuck in the East never getting a chance to shine all over the nation...

Hip Hop would be better if it stayed within the 5 boroughs. Word to I Used to Love Her.

How you gonna say that while quoting a Chicago MC? That makes no sense

Listen to the song, that Chicago MC even agrees that Hip Hop was better when it was in New York.

If Hip-Hop was so much better when it was in NY then how come some NY dudes were so quick to abandon their own style and hop on everyone else's style to try and stay popular?

Its called selling out. You give somebody a big, fat wad of cash and tell him to wear a top hat and a blazer with coattails and he'll wear it.

I remember the X Clan/Brand Nubian era. Thats when MCs used to drop knowledge and talk about African history but that shit didn't sell so they got pushed to the back and gangsta rap got pushed to the forefront because white kids liked it.

Back to the original topic. Illmatic came out in April 94, got 5 mics but didn't go gold. Warren G's Regulate...G Funk era came out in June 1994. Warren G sold 3X plat and got nominated for two grammys. "This D.J." was nominated for a 1995 Grammy Award for Best Rap Solo Performance, while "Regulate" was nominated for a 1995 Grammy for Best Rap Performance By A Duo Or Group.

So my question is; How is Warren G better than Nas? Or how was Regulate...G Funk Era better than Illmatic? Can somebody from the West please explain what you like about Warren G so much or what you didn't like about Illmatic?

Nas is in incredible rapper but Warren G's subject matter and choice of beats resonated more with our way of life. You can go to any family get together out here and hear that type of sound. That type of flow in the Chevy impala's driving to kick it at the beach or local hang out spots. Nas illmatic I guess fit y'all way of life. That project hallways and stair cases type shit that you can't expect us to gravitate to over shit that we had reppin our vibe. Come on now...why would we bump illmatic when Ice Cube had music out we could get?

Today Was A Good Day >>> Life's A Bitch

I'll reserve judgment until we get the sequel.

sequel?? what sequel??

im lost??

Today was a good day ended on a cliffhanger

I cannot find the official Video on Youtube for some fucked up reason...
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xzz00_ice-cube-check-yo-self-remix_music?GK_FACEBOOK_OG_HTML5=1

 

[NoCompetition]

I am from Seattle Washington the hub of the Great Pacific Northwest in the Puget Sound...

So you never listened to Menace Soundtrack that shit kept systems rattling when it came out raw as fuck from a raw as fuck movie that is how I know yall are either just lying bitch ass haters or are so isolated and insulated by your regional shit that you can never see past...

Bottom line, if you don't remember when Shook Ones part 2 was out your opinions regarding this thread and its premise are irrelevant.

Spice 1>>> Mobb Deep I could on but there is no point let me put you onto some dope shit...




Bottom Line is thank Yahweh Hip Hop is not confined to your rules or it would be stuck in the East never getting a chance to shine all over the nation...

Hip Hop would be better if it stayed within the 5 boroughs. Word to I Used to Love Her.

How you gonna say that while quoting a Chicago MC? That makes no sense

Listen to the song, that Chicago MC even agrees that Hip Hop was better when it was in New York.

If Hip-Hop was so much better when it was in NY then how come some NY dudes were so quick to abandon their own style and hop on everyone else's style to try and stay popular?

Its called selling out. You give somebody a big, fat wad of cash and tell him to wear a top hat and a blazer with coattails and he'll wear it.

I remember the X Clan/Brand Nubian era. Thats when MCs used to drop knowledge and talk about African history but that shit didn't sell so they got pushed to the back and gangsta rap got pushed to the forefront because white kids liked it.

Back to the original topic. Illmatic came out in April 94, got 5 mics but didn't go gold. Warren G's Regulate...G Funk era came out in June 1994. Warren G sold 3X plat and got nominated for two grammys. "This D.J." was nominated for a 1995 Grammy Award for Best Rap Solo Performance, while "Regulate" was nominated for a 1995 Grammy for Best Rap Performance By A Duo Or Group.

So my question is; How is Warren G better than Nas? Or how was Regulate...G Funk Era better than Illmatic? Can somebody from the West please explain what you like about Warren G so much or what you didn't like about Illmatic?

Nas is in incredible rapper but Warren G's subject matter and choice of beats resonated more with our way of life. You can go to any family get together out here and hear that type of sound. That type of flow in the Chevy impala's driving to kick it at the beach or local hang out spots. Nas illmatic I guess fit y'all way of life. That project hallways and stair cases type shit that you can't expect us to gravitate to over shit that we had reppin our vibe. Come on now...why would we bump illmatic when Ice Cube had music out we could get?

Today Was A Good Day >>> Life's A Bitch

I'll reserve judgment until we get the sequel.

sequel?? what sequel??

im lost??

Today was a good day ended on a cliffhanger

It led into check yo self.

 

[Listencloser]

I am from Seattle Washington the hub of the Great Pacific Northwest in the Puget Sound...

So you never listened to Menace Soundtrack that shit kept systems rattling when it came out raw as fuck from a raw as fuck movie that is how I know yall are either just lying bitch ass haters or are so isolated and insulated by your regional shit that you can never see past...

Bottom line, if you don't remember when Shook Ones part 2 was out your opinions regarding this thread and its premise are irrelevant.

Spice 1>>> Mobb Deep I could on but there is no point let me put you onto some dope shit...




Bottom Line is thank Yahweh Hip Hop is not confined to your rules or it would be stuck in the East never getting a chance to shine all over the nation...

Hip Hop would be better if it stayed within the 5 boroughs. Word to I Used to Love Her.

How you gonna say that while quoting a Chicago MC? That makes no sense

Listen to the song, that Chicago MC even agrees that Hip Hop was better when it was in New York.

If Hip-Hop was so much better when it was in NY then how come some NY dudes were so quick to abandon their own style and hop on everyone else's style to try and stay popular?

Its called selling out. You give somebody a big, fat wad of cash and tell him to wear a top hat and a blazer with coattails and he'll wear it.

I remember the X Clan/Brand Nubian era. Thats when MCs used to drop knowledge and talk about African history but that shit didn't sell so they got pushed to the back and gangsta rap got pushed to the forefront because white kids liked it.

Back to the original topic. Illmatic came out in April 94, got 5 mics but didn't go gold. Warren G's Regulate...G Funk era came out in June 1994. Warren G sold 3X plat and got nominated for two grammys. "This D.J." was nominated for a 1995 Grammy Award for Best Rap Solo Performance, while "Regulate" was nominated for a 1995 Grammy for Best Rap Performance By A Duo Or Group.

So my question is; How is Warren G better than Nas? Or how was Regulate...G Funk Era better than Illmatic? Can somebody from the West please explain what you like about Warren G so much or what you didn't like about Illmatic?

Nas is in incredible rapper but Warren G's subject matter and choice of beats resonated more with our way of life. You can go to any family get together out here and hear that type of sound. That type of flow in the Chevy impala's driving to kick it at the beach or local hang out spots. Nas illmatic I guess fit y'all way of life. That project hallways and stair cases type shit that you can't expect us to gravitate to over shit that we had reppin our vibe. Come on now...why would we bump illmatic when Ice Cube had music out we could get?

Today Was A Good Day >>> Life's A Bitch

I'll reserve judgment until we get the sequel.

sequel?? what sequel??

im lost??

Today was a good day ended on a cliffhanger

It led into check yo self.

In that case Cube wins this battle.

 

[CapitalB]

while we on it..

All Eyez On Me >>> Street Dreams hahahaha

 

[its....JOHN B]

I gave you power>>>me and my girlfriend

 

[CapitalB]

never heard it. hahaha

 

[CapitalB]

u was quick my nigga! haha

 

[smp4life]

while we on it..

All Eyez On Me >>> Street Dreams hahahaha

Only if you cut the track off when you hear the line "I got keys..."

 

[5 Grand]

while we on it..

All Eyez On Me >>> Street Dreams hahahaha

I gave you power>>>me and my girlfriend

Bottom line; Nas is better at rapping than 2Pac. I'm not talking about his ear for beats or his discography, I'm just saying when it comes to rapping Nas is better.

 

[smp4life]

while we on it..

All Eyez On Me >>> Street Dreams hahahaha

I gave you power>>>me and my girlfriend

Bottom line; Nas is better at rapping than 2Pac. I'm not talking about his ear for beats or his discography, I'm just saying when it comes to rapping Nas is better.

especially now

 

[CapitalB]

while we on it..

All Eyez On Me >>> Street Dreams hahahaha

I gave you power>>>me and my girlfriend

Bottom line; Nas is better at rapping than 2Pac. I'm not talking about his ear for beats or his discography, I'm just saying when it comes to rapping Nas is better.

okay.. cause rhyming is the only thing we judge artist on!!?

no wonder u NY niggas is lost..

"Nas is more lyrical than Pac" okay and!!?

amd Steph Curry can shoot the three better then LeBron..

ur point!!? lol

 

[Built 4 cuban linx]

while we on it..

All Eyez On Me >>> Street Dreams hahahaha

I gave you power>>>me and my girlfriend

Bottom line; Nas is better at rapping than 2Pac. I'm not talking about his ear for beats or his discography, I'm just saying when it comes to rapping Nas is better.

okay.. cause rhyming is the only thing we judge artist on!!?

no wonder u NY niggas is lost..

"Nas is more lyrical than Pac" okay and!!?

amd Steph Curry can shoot the three better then LeBron..

ur point!!? lol

Listen man, 5 grand isn't from New York. Stop giving him to us

 

[blackrain]

while we on it..

All Eyez On Me >>> Street Dreams hahahaha

I gave you power>>>me and my girlfriend

Bottom line; Nas is better at rapping than 2Pac. I'm not talking about his ear for beats or his discography, I'm just saying when it comes to rapping Nas is better.

Being a better technical mc don't make you a better rapper. Technically an MC like Twista is one of the best ever but there's others that rap better than him....