Epic grudge match: Slavery vs. Holocaust--

[perspective@100]

Bravo to those who chose to derail this thread....wouldnt want white-folks to start pouting...

How can the comparision of white-supremacist aggression against "non-whites" turn into a debate about DMX's addiction...and how the hell is DMX able to get cocaine when he's never been to South America??

Slavery and the Holocaust were horrible examples white hatred but the Tasmanians & Herero and Namaqua were almost completley exterminated by the white devils.

True that...

lets get back on topic.

Someone explain to me how a few million deaths no matter how gruesome compares even at all to hundreds of millions over hundreds of years with lasting results to this day?

 

[hrap-120]

If you ponder why the African-American family structure here in Amerika is so fragmented just look at the institution of Amerikan slavery.....

FORCED BREEDING PRACTICES

Slaves were forced to mate with whomever the slavemaster chose, "Bucks" were big strong slaves who the slavemasters would force to impregnate "Wenches" who woud have "pups" that the slavemaster would either sell or put to work in the feilds...."Breeders" were big strong Black women whom the slavemaster would force to have as many "pups" as possible. The devil slavemaster would often sell his "Buck" to other slavemasters to breed with that slavemasters "Breeders" or "Wenches".

The origin of the image of the "Black Stud" and "Mammy"

SEXUAL SLAVERY

Slaves were forced to have sexual relations with the slavemaster, men, women, and children were used as sexual toilets by these deviant men who would rape children as young as 11 years old while their parents wept helplessly...the slavemaster called them "belly-warmers". The children who were born from these rapes were either sold or used as sex-slaves for the slavemasters children, they would fetch a high-price from buyers because of their mixed-blood, the women were referred to as "mullatto-wenches"...many slavemasters would often rape their own mullatto offspring.

The origin of the image of the "Tragic mullatto", and the Black seductress"

Imagine a Father who has to sit idly by while his 12yr old daughter is being raped

Imagine a Mother who has her new-born infant snatched away and sold to strangers

Imagine a Husband seeing his wife give birth to the slavemasters child

Imagine a Wife seeing her husband castrated and mutilated for a so-called transgression

Imagine a child witnessing all the above

Now imagine this heinous and brutal savagery going on for 300 years....

 

[kingblaze84]

If you ponder why the African-American family structure here in Amerika is so fragmented just look at the institution of Amerikan slavery.....

FORCED BREEDING PRACTICES

Slaves were forced to mate with whomever the slavemaster chose, "Bucks" were big strong slaves who the slavemasters would force to impregnate "Wenches" who woud have "pups" that the slavemaster would either sell or put to work in the feilds...."Breeders" were big strong Black women whom the slavemaster would force to have as many "pups" as possible. The devil slavemaster would often sell his "Buck" to other slavemasters to breed with that slavemasters "Breeders" or "Wenches".

The origin of the image of the "Black Stud" and "Mammy"

SEXUAL SLAVERY

Slaves were forced to have sexual relations with the slavemaster, men, women, and children were used as sexual toilets by these deviant men who would rape children as young as 11 years old while their parents wept helplessly...the slavemaster called them "belly-warmers". The children who were born from these rapes were either sold or used as sex-slaves for the slavemasters children, they would fetch a high-price from buyers because of their mixed-blood, the women were referred to as "mullatto-wenches"...many slavemasters would often rape their own mullatto offspring.

The origin of the image of the "Tragic mullatto", and the Black seductress"

Imagine a Father who has to sit idly by while his 12yr old daughter is being raped

Imagine a Mother who has her new-born infant snatched away and sold to strangers

Imagine a Husband seeing his wife give birth to the slavemasters child

Imagine a Wife seeing her husband castrated and mutilated for a so-called transgression

Imagine a child witnessing all the above

Now imagine this heinous and brutal savagery going on for 300 years....

Yeah, it's no coincidence so many black people in the US of KKK-A got fucked up minds right now.......great post brotha.

 

[d.green]

Slavery was worse IMO.

 

[hrap-120]

Slavery was worse IMO.

Of course you feel that way...you are most likely non-white.

You cant talk slavery with most people outside of our culture because they are either clueless to its barbarity or lack the hue-man compassion and empathy for Afrikan peoples due to ingrained racism and contempt.

I sometimes reference post-slavery behavior of whites towards Blacks because there is no other historical example of a group of people cutting off the penis's of another group...why did they feel the desire to castrate us and why did they use our body parts as ornaments and souvenirs?

Could you imagine taking your 11 year old to a lynching to see a human being hung, castrated, mutilated and then burned alive?? Simply go to Google image's and type in LYNCHING and look at the smiling faces of white children while Black men and women are dismembered and incinerated.

 

[Arya Tsaddiq]

You are right H-Rap....It sad but true. For those who need to see this in real life. Watch the movie Uncle Tom's Cabin. I event Think this movie was a watered down version of what really happened during slavery, but It will give you a good understanding of some of the points Rap made.

 

[d.green]

and slavery wasnt??? people thinkin blacks were just being hung back then....black people were killed all kind of ways back then.Other then the indians bein nearly wiped off the face of the earth no other race of people has had it worse then africans/african americans.

True.

Cracka made Nat Turner into his personal wallet....and used it.

 

[d.green]

the day of the religious pacifier is over, bro. Give it up, we ain't hearing that turn the other cheek nonsense anymore..

lol

.....

 

[janklow]

I sometimes reference post-slavery behavior of whites towards Blacks because there is no other historical example of a group of people cutting off the penis's of another group...

sadly, this is actually not accurate

 

[hrap-120]

sadly, this is actually not accurate

As moderator of this most precious forum please give us the historical account of a group of people castrating another group of people based on race.

Dont reference eunachs or clitoral circumcision Im talking about men going around and chopping the d!ck's of other men off. (Pause)

We are patiently waiting for your historical account of this behavior........

 

[maxxb]

Actually hrap, I'll go ahead and tell you that during most genocides, namely Rwanda, the penises of men were cut off.

If you hate a man enough to make him suffer a fate worse than death, you'll probably want to cut his dick off.

And using slavery as an account of dickapitation isnt really all that accurate anyway, because most of the time they lynched someone it didnt happen. But it did happen many times.

 

[maxxb]

I think the problem here is that the comparison of the holocaust to slavery isnt even viable.

Both were atrociously horrible and were a contradiction to life itself.

Look at the OP's pictures.

First two, hundreds of slaves in shackles, in a clearly unlivable condition with not much but some pants made of rags.

The bottom two, piles and piles of dead, emaciated bodies, with rag clothing as well.

To try and ask which is worse is like an insult to blacks as well as jews and gypsies, and holocaust victims.

 

[hrap-120]

Actually hrap, I'll go ahead and tell you that during most genocides, namely Rwanda, the penises of men were cut off.
If you hate a man enough to make him suffer a fate worse than death, you'll probably want to cut his dick off.
And using slavery as an account of dickapitation isnt really all that accurate anyway, because most of the time they lynched someone it didnt happen. But it did happen many times.

You cant substantiate your claims with any type of documentation.

As I stated in my last post "give us the historical account of a group of people castrating another group of people based on race".

Im not talking about war, Im talking about white civilians castrating Black males, the internet is chock full of accounts were this barbaric pass-time took place.
Psychologists and historians have written about this peculiar sickness that shows the true nature of the human devil...but the question still remains.....why?

Heres a few

The lynching and castrating of African American men, founded on the protection of white women, was central to securing white male power and identity and, therefore, reconstructing a hierarchical masculine difference between white

The lynching process extended for several hours, during which the African American male suffered excruciating pain from torture, mutilation, and castration committed throughout the ordeal by certain white supremacist males. The finale featured spectator scavenging for “souvenirs” of African American body parts (Brown, 1975: 217-218).

None of the white male lynchers attempted to disguise their appearance and there was no effort to prevent anyone from seeing who lighted the fire or mutilated and castrated the body. On the contrary, there was a festival atmosphere. Finally, on the trunk of a nearby tree was pinned a placard that read: “We Must Protect Our Southern Women.”

Yet, this still leaves unanswered the reason for castrating African American males in public spectacles. Arguably, the increased reliance on public castration made clear the profound white supremacist male distress over masculine equality and similarity with African American men. As Robin Wiegman (1993: 450) eloquently puts it:

The 1889 lynching of Sam Holt in Newman, Georgia provides an effective example (Ginzburg, 1988: 11-14). Holt was charged and detained for the alleged rape of a white woman. Soon a mob of whites gathered outside the jail, and the Sheriff of the town “turned the Negro over to the waiting crowd” (p. 13). Although the alleged rape victim “was not permitted to identify the Negro” because “it was thought the shock would be to great for her,” a procession quickly formed and the doomed marched at the head of the shouting crowd (approximately 2,000 white people) down several streets (pp. 11-13). Eventually a tree was chosen, and Holt was tied from a branch facing the crowd. Immediately his clothes were torn from him and a heavy chain was wound around his body. The local press reported what happened next (p. 12):

Before the torch was applied to the pyre, the Negro was deprived of his ears, fingers, and genital parts of his body. He pleaded pitifully for his life while the mutilation was going on, but stood the ordeal of the fire with surprising fortitude. Before the body was cool, it was cut into pieces, the bones were crushed into small bits, and even the tree on which the wretch met his fate was torn up and disposed of as “souvenirs.” The negro’s heart was cut into several pieces, as was also his liver.


Lynchings for any such interaction suggesting interracial sexuality increasingly included sexual mutilation (Dowd Hall, 1979, 1983). As Brown (1975: 151) shows, “the lynching of Southern blacks routinely came to be accompanied by the emasculation of males.” Indeed, the typical lynching became a white community celebration and spectacle, with men, women, and children cheering on the mutilation and hanging, burning, or both, at the stake. As Raper (1969: 12) shows, white women spectators figured prominently in the ordeal, inciting “the men to do their ‘manly duty’” and “inspiring the mobs to greater brutalities.”

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/mass/lynching/lynching_2.html

http://books.google.com/books?id=B59jrz6vpqAC&pg=PA136&lpg=PA136&dq=lynching+and+castration&source=bl&ots=gfXmroefAV&sig=kTj505o-jdgi5qq3weZrvdseVE4&hl=en&ei=-3q_S8jHO9TtngeEr4D9CQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CCcQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=lynching%20and%20castration&f=false

As I hope to show, the
decommodification of the African American body that accompanies the
transformation from chattel to citizenry is mediated through a compli*
cated process of sexualization and engendering: not only does lynching
enact a grotesquely symbolic--if not literal--sexual encounter between
the white mob and its victim, but the increasing utilization of castration
as a preferred form of mutilation for African American men demon*
strates lynching's connection to the sociosymbolic realm of sexual
difference. In the disciplinary fusion of castration with lynching, the
mob severs the black male from the masculine, interrupting the privi*
lege of the phallus, and thereby reclaiming, through the perversity of
dismemberment, his (masculine) potentiality for citizenship.

http://www.questia.com/PM.qst?a=o&d=59655463


And heres the finale

http://books.google.com/books?id=O3ZldmMty7UC&pg=PA136&lpg=PA136&
dq=lynching+and+castration&source=bl&ots=p7gnZvfDFE&sig=jq_SCbL9cfNdg2pmu7wnrl1alVM&hl=en&ei=-3q_S8jHO9TtngeEr4D9CQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CDkQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=lynching%20and%20castration&f=false

 

[maxxb]

You cant substantiate your claims with any type of documentation.



As I stated in my last post "give us the historical account of a group of people castrating another group of people based on race".

Im not talking about war, Im talking about white civilians castrating Black males, the internet is chock full of accounts were this barbaric pass-time took place.

Psychologists and historians have written about this peculiar sickness that shows the true nature of the human devil...but the question still remains.....why?

Heres a few

The lynching and castrating of African American men, founded on the protection of white women, was central to securing white male power and identity and, therefore, reconstructing a hierarchical masculine difference between white

The lynching process extended for several hours, during which the African American male suffered excruciating pain from torture, mutilation, and castration committed throughout the ordeal by certain white supremacist males. The finale featured spectator scavenging for “souvenirs” of African American body parts (Brown, 1975: 217-218).

None of the white male lynchers attempted to disguise their appearance and there was no effort to prevent anyone from seeing who lighted the fire or mutilated and castrated the body. On the contrary, there was a festival atmosphere. Finally, on the trunk of a nearby tree was pinned a placard that read: “We Must Protect Our Southern Women.”

Yet, this still leaves unanswered the reason for castrating African American males in public spectacles. Arguably, the increased reliance on public castration made clear the profound white supremacist male distress over masculine equality and similarity with African American men. As Robin Wiegman (1993: 450) eloquently puts it:

The 1889 lynching of Sam Holt in Newman, Georgia provides an effective example (Ginzburg, 1988: 11-14). Holt was charged and detained for the alleged rape of a white woman. Soon a mob of whites gathered outside the jail, and the Sheriff of the town “turned the Negro over to the waiting crowd” (p. 13). Although the alleged rape victim “was not permitted to identify the Negro” because “it was thought the shock would be to great for her,” a procession quickly formed and the doomed marched at the head of the shouting crowd (approximately 2,000 white people) down several streets (pp. 11-13). Eventually a tree was chosen, and Holt was tied from a branch facing the crowd. Immediately his clothes were torn from him and a heavy chain was wound around his body. The local press reported what happened next (p. 12):

Before the torch was applied to the pyre, the Negro was deprived of his ears, fingers, and genital parts of his body. He pleaded pitifully for his life while the mutilation was going on, but stood the ordeal of the fire with surprising fortitude. Before the body was cool, it was cut into pieces, the bones were crushed into small bits, and even the tree on which the wretch met his fate was torn up and disposed of as “souvenirs.” The negro’s heart was cut into several pieces, as was also his liver.



Lynchings for any such interaction suggesting interracial sexuality increasingly included sexual mutilation (Dowd Hall, 1979, 1983). As Brown (1975: 151) shows, “the lynching of Southern blacks routinely came to be accompanied by the emasculation of males.” Indeed, the typical lynching became a white community celebration and spectacle, with men, women, and children cheering on the mutilation and hanging, burning, or both, at the stake. As Raper (1969: 12) shows, white women spectators figured prominently in the ordeal, inciting “the men to do their ‘manly duty’” and “inspiring the mobs to greater brutalities.”

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/mass/lynching/lynching_2.html

http://books.google.com/books?id=B59jrz6vpqAC&pg=PA136&lpg=PA136&dq=lynching+and+castration&source=bl&ots=gfXmroefAV&sig=kTj505o-jdgi5qq3weZrvdseVE4&hl=en&ei=-3q_S8jHO9TtngeEr4D9CQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CCcQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=lynching%20and%20castration&f=false

As I hope to show, the

decommodification of the African American body that accompanies the

transformation from chattel to citizenry is mediated through a compli*

cated process of sexualization and engendering: not only does lynching

enact a grotesquely symbolic--if not literal--sexual encounter between

the white mob and its victim, but the increasing utilization of castration

as a preferred form of mutilation for African American men demon*

strates lynching's connection to the sociosymbolic realm of sexual

difference. In the disciplinary fusion of castration with lynching, the

mob severs the black male from the masculine, interrupting the privi*

lege of the phallus, and thereby reclaiming, through the perversity of

dismemberment, his (masculine) potentiality for citizenship.

http://www.questia.com/PM.qst?a=o&d=59655463



And heres the finale

http://books.google.com/books?id=O3ZldmMty7UC&pg=PA136&lpg=PA136&

dq=lynching+and+castration&source=bl&ots=p7gnZvfDFE&sig=jq_SCbL9cfNdg2pmu7wnrl1alVM&hl=en&ei=-3q_S8jHO9TtngeEr4D9CQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CDkQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=lynching%20and%20castration&f=false

I didnt read all of that. Didnt want to. I'm sure the first two paragraphs were sufficient enough to say you win.

and I read the bolded blue. alright I edited it twice and I read the whole thing....

And you're right, the only question left is...why?

The only documentation I have was on the history channel's documentary and interviews with genocide victims.

I mean no matter how you put it, there's no justification for any evil. look up the "dark triade"

Its three elemnts of the human mind that are responsible for pretty much every bad thing ever.

 

[janklow]

As moderator of this most precious forum please give us the historical account of a group of people castrating another group of people based on race.

how come you suddenly added based on race to the question? hmmm

 

[perspective@100]

how come you suddenly added based on race to the question? hmmm

This comment leads me to believe you know something.... Just spill the beans already!

 

[fountainoftruth]

Peace GOD.

I usually dont argue slavery with whites because they lack the normal amount of compassion and empathy that a normal hue-man would.

We lost 100 million in the Transatlantic slave trade...and the effects literally destroyed our homeland.

Half of us died in the bowels of slave-ships before we even reached the shore....they lynched us, castrated us, raped us, and burned us alive. All forms of cruelty and barbarism were applied to men women and children for 350 years,

They robbed us of our culture, folkways, morays, norms, and names and forbid us to attain knowledge in the forms of reading and writing.

They even went to war with each other to keep us in chains...and we have never received compensation in the form of a "homeland" like Israel or reparations in the form of Casino's or anything except the murder of our leaders who were begging for equal rights.

The argument isn't about what Holocaust was worse because both Holocaust were committed by the same white devilish beast who exterminated the Tasmanian's, exterminated the American Indians, dropped nuclear weapons on Japanese civilians, started the Opium wars with the Chinese, started the British Raj with the East Indians and has showed savage aggression towards every other culture they come in contact with.

I applaud Mother Nature for the Sun that burns and blister's their skin and impatiently wait for their destruction and demise.

powerful shit.

 

[maxxb]

I tan pretty well, actually, h-rap.

I feel like I've become a little more enlightened over the weekend.

You're pretty much right.

"hue-man" good one.

 

[hrap-120]

I tan pretty well, actually, h-rap.

I feel like I've become a little more enlightened over the weekend.
You're pretty much right.
"hue-man" good one.

You tan because you have more Afrikan in your D.N.A. than others do...wear it as a badge of honor.

 

[And Step]

Peace GOD.

I applaud Mother Nature for the Sun that burns and blister's their skin and impatiently wait for their destruction and demise.

I have seen this thread and have not looked into it before now, I finally look into it and this is what I see.

The Ghost of Khalid is shaking his head. Napalm.