damobb2deep;6705533 said:FuriousOne;6705475 said:damobb2deep;6705406 said:FuriousOne;6705077 said:damobb2deep;6705051 said:FuriousOne;6705029 said:damobb2deep;6705018 said:FuriousOne;6705001 said:damobb2deep;6704935 said:FuriousOne;6704841 said:zombie;6704819 said:FatterThanKat;6704710 said:But you have no evidence. You jumped from the idea that if something exists it must be created to saying that God is that creator. How do you know that it is God and not something else? What makes that view more probable?
because everything else is in the universe and therefore must be a creation.
Or it could have created itself like the ability of your God to just exist..
where does it say god created himself...
Um, you said God always but the same principles can be applied to the Universe or not. Doesn't dismiss everything else i said about coming to grand conclusions. What's your proof that God always was and the Universe wasn't or doesn't exist within a cycle or in multitudes? Basically, just saying it is doesn't make it so. I'm speaking on mans conceptualization of this deity btw.
where does it say god always was?
In this very forum from statements made. What is your angle? Maybe it says it in your holy book, maybe not. Who gives a fuck? We are arguing the concept. What's yours?
i said "it" as in the bible.. also how can u argue a thought when u dont kno the opposite side.. jus from the few posts i read u seem more aggy then objective.. thats why i asked those questions because u are assuming some things are in the bible that you dont kno if they are actually there or not..
Objective? Really. People making statements that God exist with no evidence. I don't need your bible to get statements that people are making. I don't recall passages but I've seen plenty asserting to either concept of God. What is there to be Objective about when I'm not making any grand statements that something specific created the universe? You need your bible to argue these concepts? I'm sure you can do a good job presenting the evidence from your book. Looks like no one else has. Like i said, people on this board have made these grand statements and many don't follow the bible. Your book is flawed from it's inception and these grand statements have penetrated society and it's been shown that there isn't even proper translation of your book in the first place. I needed to read your Bible to get that info?
tryna prove that the bible is flawed is not a hard task given the fact that it was made from plenty of different books.. from different times.. some books were omitted.. ( even to this day some bibles omit "songs of Solomon ") and thru the years and thru translations of course it will be hard 2 have it in its original form.. Christians know this.. but that does not change the fact that the root beliefs have not changed and are biblically and historically facts. jesus did walk the earth. he was believed to be the son of god. he died on the cross and he believed that he was dying for our sins.. everything else honestly don't matter...
but about the "god exists with no evidence" that's actually subjective because what can be evidence to me might not be evidence for you.. I can go off the facts that the laws of physics are not absolute proves that god exists.. somebody else could say the fact that we can learn teach and wonder outside of basic instincts proves god exists.. somebody else could have gone thru a personal situation in they life that proved to them that god exists.. "miracles" happen all the time..
Christians know their book is flawed yet they believe regardless everything in it? Wait know they don't most cherry pick and mistranslates the mistranslations which is the reason for the numerous denomination and the denial that Catholics are Christians at all. It the same for every religion though. There may be competing theories in science, but non is considered absolute because new evidence may broaden the scope and change course. Evidence that i can't tangibly prove using the scientific methods that your provided isn't proper evidence. Are you telling me that there is reproducible evidence outside of people's delusions and unproven statements or evidence derived for a different approach to the same issue proves God? Tesla and Edison both discovered various means of using electricity but applied in differently. Only Edison succeeded financially because he was able to villianize the other. Tesla was proven to be more astute because his discoveries provided more far reaching tangible benefits. The thing is, we actually use scientific discoveries to adapt more advanced tools to deal with our world. This is why i don't require direct hands on knowledge of most discoveries. People don't care anyway until it creates a product or cure which is the ultimate proof of concept. Learning about gravity allowed us to create skyscrapers. No you can't just say if we don't have a complete working of a theory, it has to be the other thing. It doesn't work that way. The other thing has to meet the same burden of proof.
lol that's long ass titian graph you jus wrote jus proved my point... that's all subjective.. I gave examples of things that people can say " proved" to them god exists and you proves nothing.. you cant change a persons true beliefs.. only they can..
I like to write and discuss. You wrote as much as me so why are you casting stones? I actually wrote more then that. I never claimed that i was trying to change any belief. I'm asking you to prove a statement that is so handily passed off as factual. That's not how proof or facts work no matter how you attempt to present it. People say if i don't believe as they do, I'm going to hell. Show me the evidence since you so sure. Oh right, gotta get there first. Then how you know? I see you didn't really read what i wrote.
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