Do You Believe In God?

[FatterThanKat]

But you have no evidence. You jumped from the idea that if something exists it must be created to saying that God is that creator. How do you know that it is God and not something else? What makes that view more probable?

 

[Jabu_Rule]

You still haven't answered the question. You just avoid it.

If it is so logical then what premises lead to that conclusion?

you asked me what evidence is there that we have power to fix the world and i answered we can reason and the earth provides enough for all of us. The existence of the universe and all of reality if they exist then that means they had to have been created.

If something exists it must have been created. This only makes sense.

So how do you jump from that, to God must have created it?

Because god being the only force that cannot be created and always existed is the most logical answer to the creation of the universe.

Sounds as logical as something coming from nothing. How can something always exist and how can something come from nothing. I don't think we can just settle on an answer like it's that obvious.

God is not A THING.

and like i keep telling people we all choose to believe what we believe We run into problems when my total conviction that the god i know is real smashes up against your conviction that god is not

Both sides cannot convince the other because they both have to use subjective or provable evidence.

I'm not dealing with anything subjective. I'm not making the initial assertion. If you pose an answer, then it is you that must give proof. You have people dedicating their everything to something someone said was actual and i'm not saying if it is or isn't. I'm saying, you're the one that is offering the theory. It's on you. I would never just make something up and say that must be it and you have to believe without trying my hardest to prove it. How can you say God is not a thing but have all these descriptions of what God is, what God planned, and what we should do for God?

 

[zombie]

But you have no evidence. You jumped from the idea that if something exists it must be created to saying that God is that creator. How do you know that it is God and not something else? What makes that view more probable?

because everything else is in the universe and therefore must be a creation.

 

[Jabu_Rule]

But you have no evidence. You jumped from the idea that if something exists it must be created to saying that God is that creator. How do you know that it is God and not something else? What makes that view more probable?

because everything else is in the universe and therefore must be a creation.

Or it could have created itself like the ability of your God to just exist..

 

[zombie]

You still haven't answered the question. You just avoid it.

If it is so logical then what premises lead to that conclusion?

you asked me what evidence is there that we have power to fix the world and i answered we can reason and the earth provides enough for all of us. The existence of the universe and all of reality if they exist then that means they had to have been created.

If something exists it must have been created. This only makes sense.

So how do you jump from that, to God must have created it?

Because god being the only force that cannot be created and always existed is the most logical answer to the creation of the universe.

Sounds as logical as something coming from nothing. How can something always exist and how can something come from nothing. I don't think we can just settle on an answer like it's that obvious.

God is not A THING.

and like i keep telling people we all choose to believe what we believe We run into problems when my total conviction that the god i know is real smashes up against your conviction that god is not

Both sides cannot convince the other because they both have to use subjective or provable evidence.

I'm not dealing with anything subjective. I'm not making the initial assertion. If you pose an answer, then it is you that must give proof. You have people dedicating their everything to something someone said was actual and i'm not saying if it is or isn't. I'm saying, you're the one that is offering the theory. It's on you. I would never just make something up and say that must be it and you have to believe without trying my hardest to prove it. How can you say God is not a thing but have all these descriptions of what God is, what God planned, and what we should do for God?

The only proof that can be given of anything is subjective because like i tried to tell you we don't even know that we exist or at lest we cannot prove it. The reason why people use descriptions to talk about god is because as limited beings we cannot communicate the unphysical otherwise. If YOU have an understanding in your head but can't use descriptions then you will never tell anyone because you can't. WE can't comprehend what god is. so mankind has always tried to break it god into terms we can try to understand.

 

[NYETOPn]

A belief in something that cannot be seen or proven to exist; rather, a belief based on faith without evidence? Alright. Cool.

I try not to use God as the answer to what isn't known, the unexplained in observed natural phenomena when there can be alternate explanations, hypotheses to test. Shit's limiting, imo. Limits discoveries.

 

[zombie]

But you have no evidence. You jumped from the idea that if something exists it must be created to saying that God is that creator. How do you know that it is God and not something else? What makes that view more probable?

because everything else is in the universe and therefore must be a creation.

Or it could have created itself like the ability of your God to just exist..

That would not be possible because the universe is a "thing" a thing that is composed of many different things but it's still a thing non the less.

 

[Jabu_Rule]

You still haven't answered the question. You just avoid it.

If it is so logical then what premises lead to that conclusion?

you asked me what evidence is there that we have power to fix the world and i answered we can reason and the earth provides enough for all of us. The existence of the universe and all of reality if they exist then that means they had to have been created.

If something exists it must have been created. This only makes sense.

So how do you jump from that, to God must have created it?

Because god being the only force that cannot be created and always existed is the most logical answer to the creation of the universe.

Sounds as logical as something coming from nothing. How can something always exist and how can something come from nothing. I don't think we can just settle on an answer like it's that obvious.

God is not A THING.

and like i keep telling people we all choose to believe what we believe We run into problems when my total conviction that the god i know is real smashes up against your conviction that god is not

Both sides cannot convince the other because they both have to use subjective or provable evidence.

I'm not dealing with anything subjective. I'm not making the initial assertion. If you pose an answer, then it is you that must give proof. You have people dedicating their everything to something someone said was actual and i'm not saying if it is or isn't. I'm saying, you're the one that is offering the theory. It's on you. I would never just make something up and say that must be it and you have to believe without trying my hardest to prove it. How can you say God is not a thing but have all these descriptions of what God is, what God planned, and what we should do for God?

The only proof that can be given of anything is subjective because like i tried to tell you we don't even know that we exist or at lest we cannot prove it. The reason why people use descriptions to talk about god is because as limited beings we cannot communicate the unphysical otherwise. If YOU have an understanding in your head but can't use descriptions then you will never tell anyone because you can't. WE can't comprehend what god is. so mankind has always tried to break it god into terms we can try to understand.

So people are just making shit up cuz they confused? Interesting. We don't know we exist but we know God exist. Interesting. I know i'm having this conversation with you and i also know that even if i died. Things will Occur because those things will be in a different state of being when i see it next even if it's not detectable by the human eye. If we don't know we are real, that throws a huge monkey wrench in your conclusion that God is real. There is far less evidence there since it hasn't replied to my post yet. Regardless, if i don't know, i'm not gonna just make something up. I would rather investigate further then write scripture and tell people it is thow or you will burn eternally for not believing.

 

[zombie]

You still haven't answered the question. You just avoid it.

If it is so logical then what premises lead to that conclusion?

you asked me what evidence is there that we have power to fix the world and i answered we can reason and the earth provides enough for all of us. The existence of the universe and all of reality if they exist then that means they had to have been created.

If something exists it must have been created. This only makes sense.

So how do you jump from that, to God must have created it?

Because god being the only force that cannot be created and always existed is the most logical answer to the creation of the universe.

Sounds as logical as something coming from nothing. How can something always exist and how can something come from nothing. I don't think we can just settle on an answer like it's that obvious.

God is not A THING.

and like i keep telling people we all choose to believe what we believe We run into problems when my total conviction that the god i know is real smashes up against your conviction that god is not

Both sides cannot convince the other because they both have to use subjective or provable evidence.

I'm not dealing with anything subjective. I'm not making the initial assertion. If you pose an answer, then it is you that must give proof. You have people dedicating their everything to something someone said was actual and i'm not saying if it is or isn't. I'm saying, you're the one that is offering the theory. It's on you. I would never just make something up and say that must be it and you have to believe without trying my hardest to prove it. How can you say God is not a thing but have all these descriptions of what God is, what God planned, and what we should do for God?

The only proof that can be given of anything is subjective because like i tried to tell you we don't even know that we exist or at lest we cannot prove it. The reason why people use descriptions to talk about god is because as limited beings we cannot communicate the unphysical otherwise. If YOU have an understanding in your head but can't use descriptions then you will never tell anyone because you can't. WE can't comprehend what god is. so mankind has always tried to break it god into terms we can try to understand.

So people are just making shit up cuz they confused? Interesting. We don't know we exist but we know God exist. Interesting. I know i'm having this conversation with you and i also know that even if i died. Things will Occur because those things will be in a different state of being when i see it next even if it's not detectable by the human eye. If we don't know we are real, that throws a huge monkey wrench in your conclusion that God is real. There is far less evidence there since it hasn't replied to my post yet.

No people believe what they do based on what they think is real and what they think is real is subjective. What is actually "real" we cannot prove. This goes for things in the universe. We know we exist but we cannot know that we are real do you understand what i mean.

 

[Jabu_Rule]

You still haven't answered the question. You just avoid it.

If it is so logical then what premises lead to that conclusion?

you asked me what evidence is there that we have power to fix the world and i answered we can reason and the earth provides enough for all of us. The existence of the universe and all of reality if they exist then that means they had to have been created.

If something exists it must have been created. This only makes sense.

So how do you jump from that, to God must have created it?

Because god being the only force that cannot be created and always existed is the most logical answer to the creation of the universe.

Sounds as logical as something coming from nothing. How can something always exist and how can something come from nothing. I don't think we can just settle on an answer like it's that obvious.

God is not A THING.

and like i keep telling people we all choose to believe what we believe We run into problems when my total conviction that the god i know is real smashes up against your conviction that god is not

Both sides cannot convince the other because they both have to use subjective or provable evidence.

I'm not dealing with anything subjective. I'm not making the initial assertion. If you pose an answer, then it is you that must give proof. You have people dedicating their everything to something someone said was actual and i'm not saying if it is or isn't. I'm saying, you're the one that is offering the theory. It's on you. I would never just make something up and say that must be it and you have to believe without trying my hardest to prove it. How can you say God is not a thing but have all these descriptions of what God is, what God planned, and what we should do for God?

The only proof that can be given of anything is subjective because like i tried to tell you we don't even know that we exist or at lest we cannot prove it. The reason why people use descriptions to talk about god is because as limited beings we cannot communicate the unphysical otherwise. If YOU have an understanding in your head but can't use descriptions then you will never tell anyone because you can't. WE can't comprehend what god is. so mankind has always tried to break it god into terms we can try to understand.

So people are just making shit up cuz they confused? Interesting. We don't know we exist but we know God exist. Interesting. I know i'm having this conversation with you and i also know that even if i died. Things will Occur because those things will be in a different state of being when i see it next even if it's not detectable by the human eye. If we don't know we are real, that throws a huge monkey wrench in your conclusion that God is real. There is far less evidence there since it hasn't replied to my post yet.

No people believe what they do based on what they think is real and what they think is real is subjective. What is actually "real" we cannot prove. This goes for things in the universe. We know we exist but we cannot know that we are real do you understand what i mean.

Not really. because what does being real mean exactly? We just discovered in the last few centuries what we are made of. We still don't know what energy is. Bottom line, if we don't know these things, why come with such a broad conclusion? You're saying because we don't know one thing, the other thing must be? How so?

 

[damobb2deep]

But you have no evidence. You jumped from the idea that if something exists it must be created to saying that God is that creator. How do you know that it is God and not something else? What makes that view more probable?

because everything else is in the universe and therefore must be a creation.

Or it could have created itself like the ability of your God to just exist..

where does it say god created himself...

 

[Rozetta5tone]

Without the idea of Lucifer, none of you devout followers of God would know God.

Maybe your God is the biggie of the universe and without the only relevant God, your God wouldn't exist.

If Tupac were the one true God tho.

 

[Jabu_Rule]

But you have no evidence. You jumped from the idea that if something exists it must be created to saying that God is that creator. How do you know that it is God and not something else? What makes that view more probable?

because everything else is in the universe and therefore must be a creation.

Or it could have created itself like the ability of your God to just exist..

where does it say god created himself...

Um, you said God always but the same principles can be applied to the Universe or not. Doesn't dismiss everything else i said about coming to grand conclusions. What's your proof that God always was and the Universe wasn't or doesn't exist within a cycle or in multitudes? Basically, just saying it is doesn't make it so. I'm speaking on mans conceptualization of this deity btw.

 

[damobb2deep]

But you have no evidence. You jumped from the idea that if something exists it must be created to saying that God is that creator. How do you know that it is God and not something else? What makes that view more probable?

because everything else is in the universe and therefore must be a creation.

Or it could have created itself like the ability of your God to just exist..

where does it say god created himself...

Um, you said God always but the same principles can be applied to the Universe or not. Doesn't dismiss everything else i said about coming to grand conclusions. What's your proof that God always was and the Universe wasn't or doesn't exist within a cycle or in multitudes? Basically, just saying it is doesn't make it so. I'm speaking on mans conceptualization of this deity btw.

where does it say god always was?

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

Without the idea of Lucifer, none of you devout followers of God would know God.

Maybe your God is the biggie of the universe and without the only relevant God, your God wouldn't exist.

If Tupac were the one true God tho.

God was known before the devil. Read genesis 1 and 2.

The devil showed up after God had already established relationships with our first parents Adam and Eve. Amen.

 

[Jabu_Rule]

But you have no evidence. You jumped from the idea that if something exists it must be created to saying that God is that creator. How do you know that it is God and not something else? What makes that view more probable?

because everything else is in the universe and therefore must be a creation.

Or it could have created itself like the ability of your God to just exist..

where does it say god created himself...

Um, you said God always but the same principles can be applied to the Universe or not. Doesn't dismiss everything else i said about coming to grand conclusions. What's your proof that God always was and the Universe wasn't or doesn't exist within a cycle or in multitudes? Basically, just saying it is doesn't make it so. I'm speaking on mans conceptualization of this deity btw.

where does it say god always was?

In this very forum from statements made. What is your angle? Maybe it says it in your holy book, maybe not. Who gives a fuck? We are arguing the concept. What's yours?

 

[FatterThanKat]

But you have no evidence. You jumped from the idea that if something exists it must be created to saying that God is that creator. How do you know that it is God and not something else? What makes that view more probable?

because everything else is in the universe and therefore must be a creation.

Yes we already established this. The things in the universe that currently exist need to have some cause for their existence. Why is God more believable than any of the other theories?

 

[damobb2deep]

But you have no evidence. You jumped from the idea that if something exists it must be created to saying that God is that creator. How do you know that it is God and not something else? What makes that view more probable?

because everything else is in the universe and therefore must be a creation.

Or it could have created itself like the ability of your God to just exist..

where does it say god created himself...

Um, you said God always but the same principles can be applied to the Universe or not. Doesn't dismiss everything else i said about coming to grand conclusions. What's your proof that God always was and the Universe wasn't or doesn't exist within a cycle or in multitudes? Basically, just saying it is doesn't make it so. I'm speaking on mans conceptualization of this deity btw.

where does it say god always was?

In this very forum from statements made. What is your angle? Maybe it says it in your holy book, maybe not. Who gives a fuck? We are arguing the concept. What's yours?

i said "it" as in the bible.. also how can u argue a thought when u dont kno the opposite side.. jus from the few posts i read u seem more aggy then objective.. thats why i asked those questions because u are assuming some things are in the bible that you dont kno if they are actually there or not..

 

[Jabu_Rule]

But you have no evidence. You jumped from the idea that if something exists it must be created to saying that God is that creator. How do you know that it is God and not something else? What makes that view more probable?

because everything else is in the universe and therefore must be a creation.

Or it could have created itself like the ability of your God to just exist..

where does it say god created himself...

Um, you said God always but the same principles can be applied to the Universe or not. Doesn't dismiss everything else i said about coming to grand conclusions. What's your proof that God always was and the Universe wasn't or doesn't exist within a cycle or in multitudes? Basically, just saying it is doesn't make it so. I'm speaking on mans conceptualization of this deity btw.

where does it say god always was?

In this very forum from statements made. What is your angle? Maybe it says it in your holy book, maybe not. Who gives a fuck? We are arguing the concept. What's yours?

i said "it" as in the bible.. also how can u argue a thought when u dont kno the opposite side.. jus from the few posts i read u seem more aggy then objective.. thats why i asked those questions because u are assuming some things are in the bible that you dont kno if they are actually there or not..

Objective? Really. People making statements that God exist with no evidence. I don't need your bible to get statements that people are making. I don't recall passages but I've seen plenty asserting to either concept of God. What is there to be Objective about when I'm not making any grand statements that something specific created the universe? You need your bible to argue these concepts? I'm sure you can do a good job presenting the evidence from your book. Looks like no one else has. Like i said, people on this board have made these grand statements and many don't follow the bible. Your book is flawed from it's inception and these grand statements have penetrated society and it's been shown that there isn't even proper translation of your book in the first place. I needed to read your Bible to get that info?

 

[zombie]

But you have no evidence. You jumped from the idea that if something exists it must be created to saying that God is that creator. How do you know that it is God and not something else? What makes that view more probable?

because everything else is in the universe and therefore must be a creation.

Yes we already established this. The things in the universe that currently exist need to have some cause for their existence. Why is God more believable than any of the other theories?

occums razor the simplest answer is the one i choose.