Do u feel Blacks associate ourselves with poverty 2much at the cost of not identifying asMiddleClass

[blakfyahking]

The upper middle class/ upper class blacks often sacrifice their voice and identity to be accepted into the wealth of America.

this statement is worthy of a thread on its own..........how many black folks really make it without compromising themselves in some way/somehow

yes...let's make the thread...an then you an I will fight nigga.

the fukk is compromise. you said it before.

what act more white?

less black?

hold ya pinky out while drinking rose'?

I can't wait for this fight

an dont get "busy" an not show up nigga

I think the definition of compromise is obvious

I just think whether or not it's required in order to be financially successful is what is debatable

I think it's funny u claim u want that debate when u in the Lavar Ball thread talking shit like a hating ass CAC cuz u don't think he's acting "acceptable" enough in order to sell shoes

Its not obvious bruh, i was wondering what exactly u mean by compromise

And Ball is acting like a Jew with his fuckery

how is Ball acting like a "Jew", and why is it considered fuckery? he doing the exact same shit other large businesses already been doing

and as far as compromise in the sense that everybody can agree what "compromise" as a term means

ie. u give up a part of ur true self in order to gain some type of acceptance........like giving up ur religion, or talking a certain way, wearing certain clothes, cutting ur hair a certain way, participating in certain actions that u don't truly believe in all just to get paid

but whether ur compromising urself, or if u even have to compromise urself at all to get money is the real question

Yea but hes not a large business...if my son was making it playing ball and i was gonna capitalize Im not gonna drop a $500 ugly shoe, its gonna be affordable...Im sure its more young kids who wanted those than anything and kids dont have that kind of money...like when Marbury (I dont watch bball so i dont know how to spell that shit) shoes came out them bitches went for the $30 and he was poppin

U say "compromise" but you gotta factor in maturity and growth...If you get promoted to Sr. Customer Service Rep and u cut ur hair n start wearing a shirt and tie is that compromising...or is that accenting your growth

When u go in for an interview and u rock a shirt, vest, tie, and jacket but in the workplace ur dress code is more lax is that compromising

the bolded has nothing to do with maturity tho

if u work a job where it's required to wear a shirt and tie, but u deep down inside feel like u ain't a shirt and tie nigga......then yeah u compromising urself

there are too many jobs where u don't have do some shit u don't truly believe in

that's not the same as acting professional, or attempting to attract mainstream customers to get paid

if a chick is religious and go to church every Sunday but she work as a stripper to pay bills, would u say she just mature/acting professional?

as far as Ball he is trying to make money the way he sees fit, he has that right and I don't understand how mofos have a problem with it.........large businesses market all the time to the upper class luxury customer segment........why do u think dude is only required to make affordable shoes just cuz he a small business? by ur logic Nike is just as guilty yet niggaz have no problem still buying Nike shoes

makes no sense for mofos to act like Ball doing something wrong by not staying in a lane somebody else thinks he should

 

[(Nope)]

Well let's be honest, no matter what attributes you say is the reason for someone's success there are millions who are in the same boat and didn't have the same success.

Millions of 6'4" niggas ain't Michael Jordan

Millions of mixed niggas ain't Barack Obama etc

We can do that for any attribute you want. What makes a person is their experiences and how they handled it.

Taking risks and sacrificing, working hard and making better choices, that's what its about really.

You ain't gotta be perfect, nobody is perfect.

You do have to be persistent and you do have to believe in yourself.

People fear failure and rejection, they don't really believe in themselves and they make poor decisions there should be no surprise why they're stick in the hood.

Lol

Whats will these sweeping generalizations

There are plenty of 6'4 niggas around but very few blessed with the athleticism, coordination and intelligence and upbringing of a Michael Jordan

Same with Obama, plenty of mixed niggas around... but Obama was blessed with a high IQ, a way with words, educated parents and a stable home life

Point being they grew up with plenty of advantages. Not to mention with success there is a lot of luck involved

I'd argue Mike wouldnt be close to the man he is today had his father who played a major role in his upbringing been killed when Mike was in grade school opposed to when he was an adult

Hard work and confidence is important but lets not pretend as though circumstances don't matter or matter very little...shit is far from the truth...

Its no coincidence most ppl who are born poor will die poor

And lets talk about what poverty related stress does to the brain, especially the young brain

I'd encourage anyone to strive to be their best but this idea that the ppl who live in the hood are there simply because of something they failed to do needs to die

Also someone like Jordan out worked everybody else too. He was in the gym. Same with Obama he studied hard.

sooo

let me ask you this.

what's stopping a poor person from doing the same?

if you poor. you have nothing but time.

what are you using the time for? what are you doing?

I'm not sure if you realize it or not but you just have two reasons or excuses.



does money really stop a work wthis or reading?

is hungry different in your part of the world?

Mike had a father

Obama didn't

neither may have missed a meal but both were hungry.

if I'm correct, missing meals should make you hungry-ER.

crazy how perspective works huh?

Man, if this is what you're saying to people you want to motivate, you need to rethink your approach.

yep....gotcha

sooooo,

my base is not belive in yourself?

"If you're poor just stop being poor"- 2stepz_ahead

an I said that when?

crazy thing is y'all really don't see how you are viewing yourselves.

smdh

That's not what I said and if you read my previous posts, then you'd see I've never done that. You should always assume competence, and to your credit, I don't believe that there is a thing that you think people can't do!

With this in mind I need to tell you that your words are not encouraging people, you are shaming people. You're also wanting to help based on what YOUR experience is. Your experience is only valuable in how it shapes your disposition, and what I'm getting from you is that you look around and see yourself everywhere.

You can't inculcate people with what you perceive as your intangibles by telling them what you think is wrong with them. If you're doing well, telling someone that isn't doing well "you're poor, you got all the time in the world" is only going to make them angry. Even if you know better, try taking a not-knowing posture and meet folks where they are at. Ask some questions and you'll probably find out that each person isn't the same. Each individual is complex and has complex needs and problems. Including you!

It's not just drive and hard-work my guy. Most of us intend to live our lives and die with some subjective level of dignity and purpose. Try asking people what that means for them and encourage that without expectation or assumptions.

but what does either mean if they dont believe in themselves.

everyone has dreams...we need to work on the esteem part.

but we all got excuses an reasons not to try.

your struggle is not harder than mine or how it once was....but how about listening to how I got out and adapt it to fit you.

I believe you mean everything that you just said and I believe in what you just said. Aside from the struggle part, this sounds good man!

 

[2stepz_ahead]

so y'all all saying to not expect anything over poor from black people?

 

[(Nope)]

so y'all all saying to not expect anything over poor from black people?

Literally nobody has said that, with the exception of you.

 

[MarcusGarvey]

Because African Americans are the poorest in the richest country. Median black family is worth less than $2,000 compared to whites of $110,000.

Until people accept that and demand reparations (which would not be paid to immigrant blacks), collectively the situation won't change, no matter how much you strive

ya know.....

I read alot of your posts.

you got potential.

you are better than what I'm reading now.

the very name you name yourself after would not allow you to relax. would he say...give up and wait?

your post is very valid... but it doesn't stop there.

don't ask for crumbs from someone who don't want you to eat.

that's the first mistake.

second. we have the power to change. if y'all don't see the power we have in just the leaps we made from slavery to where we are today...you are brainwashed and those very people who you are saying is holding you back has already won by controlling your thoughts and made you defeat yourself.

no one is saying it's easy.

no one is saying you must be a millionaire.

you niggas are going to extremes not me.

I'm saying make a nigga stop you from getting it.

I don't disagree with anything you wrote.

I think we know all can do more or do better. Most of all, I think there should be more solidarity, less murders, less single parent homes.

The question was why do black people focus on poverty - well they poor

 

[Madame_CJSkywalker]

Well let's be honest, no matter what attributes you say is the reason for someone's success there are millions who are in the same boat and didn't have the same success.

Millions of 6'4" niggas ain't Michael Jordan

Millions of mixed niggas ain't Barack Obama etc

We can do that for any attribute you want. What makes a person is their experiences and how they handled it.

Taking risks and sacrificing, working hard and making better choices, that's what its about

Lol

Whats will these sweeping generalizations

There are plenty of 6'4 niggas around but very few blessed with the athleticism, coordination and intelligence and upbringing of a Michael Jordan

Same with Obama, plenty of mixed niggas around... but Obama was blessed with a high IQ, a way with words, educated parents and a stable home life

Point being they grew up with plenty of advantages. Not to mention with success there is a lot of luck involved

I'd argue Mike wouldnt be close to the man he is today had his father who played a major role in his upbringing been killed when Mike was in grade school opposed to when he was an adult

Hard work and confidence is important but lets not pretend as though circumstances don't matter or matter very little...shit is far from the truth...

Its no coincidence most ppl who are born poor will die poor

And lets talk about what poverty related stress does to the brain, especially the young brain

I'd encourage anyone to strive to be their best but this idea that the ppl who live in the hood are there simply because of something they failed to do needs to die

Everybody has advantages, there's always something unique about you that other people don't have.

There was a kid here in Detroit that graduated high school and he was homeless. Dude would catch the bus from his shelter to school everyday.

Just living in a house can be an advantage.

There was a gentleman who walked 5 miles to work and back everyday for over a decade.

Just having a car can be an advantage.

The point is to take stock of your advantages and figure out how to use them.

I just saw a video of a young girl who had like autism or celebral palsy but she was good at painting.

Just being able to communicate is an advantage.

Alot of people who were born poor will die poor, that is a fact but part of the reason is because they internalized bad habits and failed to believe in themselves.

Folk out here making babies, doing drugs and yes I include smoking weed as doing drugs, partying, chasing pussy/dick, and wasting their lives away.

We waste money on cigarettes, expensive clothes and liquors, chasing down the new iphone etc

This ain't just black folks either, this is people in general.

So are you saying most ppl are poor or low income or struggling mainly because they are either lazy and or ignorant and or irresponsible????

I didn't say that. What I'm saying is do everything in your power before you blame someone else for your circumstances.


Nobody can guarantee you millions of dollars and independence but you have a better chance of making it if you find your gift and work it.

Also when it comes to white privilege, I say don't worry about that shit. Usain Bolt can afford to look behind him while running because he's so far ahead. If you fighting for second you need to keep your head on straight and keep moving forward.

U seem like you mean well, but life is not as easy or blk and white as you are making it seem. No one makes the conscious decision to partake in activities or and bad habits to the detriment of their careers or futures. But we do it because we have an addiction; we do it to cope with lost; we do it to self medicate; we do it because we dont see any other viliable options; we do it because we are young still developing minds cannot yet grasp the consequences; we do it because as studies have shown stress makes humans do dumb shit

Whether you do it consciously or not doesn't change what happens.

But lets be real There's alot of people ruining their own lives, careers and relationships over stupid shit. Intentionally or not you got to accept that you did it. Hopefully people can overcome it.

Shit i knew plenty of young women and girls who got pregnant in highschool because they didnt have anyone there who helped to support and cultivate their dreams or they felt like they needed love and purpose or and they weren't the brightest students. Young women you couldn't reason with because the choice was an emotional one

And though worthy tenants to live by, it's definitely not easy not partaking in age old vices like drugs, promiscuity, materialism, etc living in this country where these things are often times glorifed and encouraged. Especially for teens and young twenty somethings

So yea its kinda almost as if you are denying the most disadvantaged of us and or who have experienced the most lost the latitude to be human which is what the real problem is

That's where personal strength comes in. It takes strength to overcome temptations. It may be a shame that some people aren't instilled with that strength and they don't find it until later.

In any case you have no choice but to live with what you've done and hopefully you have the strength of character to overcome being pregnant in high school.

At the end of the day though there ain't a boy or girl in H.S. that don't know sex opens you up to pregnancy and having babies.

And u speak of materialism and unplanned pregnancies being major contributing problems to poverty

But, and is not to say you are completely wrong because we can be are own biggest enemies, most Americans are drowning in medical and student loan debt, especially blk Americans. Just think we live in a country were a couple days stay in the hospital can cost you over 10k. Thats ridiculous. But you want to complain about ppl buying iphones???

Iphones and hospital costs are different. Nobody asks for a 10k surgery or procedure but people DO chase iphones and choose to spent money on that.

One may be a necessity to live or increase quality of life while the other is a luxury.

Lol @ not concerning ourselves with white privilege. I dont think we can afford not too

That said, i want to say u sound.... naive

But thats not it

Or rather you are now coming off as having a flippant/dismissive and apathetic attitude towards addicition and or poverty

In particular what has been shown to cause and perpetuate poverty

And what stress and addiction does to the brain and how our decision making is impacted

Not to mention the ppl walking around with undiagnosed ptsd and clinical depression and the like

Your basically asking the most disadvantaged and vulnarable amongst us to make better decisions when they might not necessarily have the tools and sound mind to do so

Mental fortitude isn't something you can just muster up out of thin air. It has to be cultivated and nurtured to counteract the millions of ways we are made to feel blk lives dont matter

And there are alot of teens even adults who actually think if they have sex in water or believes the pull out method is fool proof can prevent a pregnancy so yea...there's that

Not making excuses just being real...

Maybe its just you don't believe real systemic change is ever going to happen...

Still if we do want to seriously address poverty and lack of opportunity as a community or country its going to take policy change, patience and sacrifice from everyone...lecturing and platitudes arent going to do it bruh lol

 

[Madame_CJSkywalker]

Interesting read...

Poverty Is Worse For Kids Than Being Born To A Crack-Using Mother

Jennifer Welsh

A decades-long study has found almost no differences between babies born to a crack mother and those born to a non-addicted mother - when the two groups are matched up by their socioeconomic status.

Both groups of low-income children were at a significant disadvantage when compared to an average child, which means that being born into poverty had more of an impact on that child's IQ scores and long-term accomplishment than did being born to a drug-addicted mother.

That's not to say there aren't problems with smoking crack during pregnancy: the likelihood of premature birth and other pregnancy complications goes up. Just like alcohol or smoking, crack isn't good for babies, and should be avoided.

The study itself looked only at babies who were born at full-term, not those born premature, to avoid these complications. Premature babies have all sorts of complications that could impact intelligence and emotional development.

In 1989, about one in six children born in Philadelphia were born to cocaine-positive mothers. The 25-year-long study followed 224 babies born between 1989 and 1992, half of whom had been exposed to cocaine before birth. Importantly, the babies were matched on their ethnic and socioeconomic background. Almost all of them were African American.

The children were examined every six months to every year, testing everything from intelligence to emotional development, achievement, and brain scans. When searching for effects of crack smoking mothers, what they really discovered was the impact of being born into poverty. Both groups - the control and those children who were born to crack smokers - scored lower than average on IQ and other tests.

"Given what we learned," study researcher Hallam Hurt told The Philadelphia Inquirer, "we are invested in better understanding the effects of poverty. How can early effects be detected? Which developing systems are affected? And most important, how can findings inform interventions for our children?"

They were also exposed to violence in their youth, which can cause depression, anxiety, and low self-esteem reports Philly.com:

81 percent of the children had seen someone arrested; 74 percent had heard gunshots; 35 percent had seen someone get shot; and 19 percent had seen a dead body outside - and the kids were only 7 years old at the time.

Read more about the study at Philly.com, including the success story of one such child, Jaimee Drakewood
http://www.businessinsider.com/crack-baby-myth-debunked-2013-7

 

[5th Letter]

Well let's be honest, no matter what attributes you say is the reason for someone's success there are millions who are in the same boat and didn't have the same success.

Millions of 6'4" niggas ain't Michael Jordan

Millions of mixed niggas ain't Barack Obama etc

We can do that for any attribute you want. What makes a person is their experiences and how they handled it.

Taking risks and sacrificing, working hard and making better choices, that's what its about really.

You ain't gotta be perfect, nobody is perfect.

You do have to be persistent and you do have to believe in yourself.

People fear failure and rejection, they don't really believe in themselves and they make poor decisions there should be no surprise why they're stick in the hood.

Lol

Whats will these sweeping generalizations

There are plenty of 6'4 niggas around but very few blessed with the athleticism, coordination and intelligence and upbringing of a Michael Jordan

Same with Obama, plenty of mixed niggas around... but Obama was blessed with a high IQ, a way with words, educated parents and a stable home life

Point being they grew up with plenty of advantages. Not to mention with success there is a lot of luck involved

I'd argue Mike wouldnt be close to the man he is today had his father who played a major role in his upbringing been killed when Mike was in grade school opposed to when he was an adult

Hard work and confidence is important but lets not pretend as though circumstances don't matter or matter very little...shit is far from the truth...

Its no coincidence most ppl who are born poor will die poor

And lets talk about what poverty related stress does to the brain, especially the young brain

I'd encourage anyone to strive to be their best but this idea that the ppl who live in the hood are there simply because of something they failed to do needs to die

Also someone like Jordan out worked everybody else too. He was in the gym. Same with Obama he studied hard.

sooo

let me ask you this.

what's stopping a poor person from doing the same?

if you poor. you have nothing but time.

what are you using the time for? what are you doing?

I'm not sure if you realize it or not but you just have two reasons or excuses.



does money really stop a work wthis or reading?

is hungry different in your part of the world?

Mike had a father

Obama didn't

neither may have missed a meal but both were hungry.

if I'm correct, missing meals should make you hungry-ER.

crazy how perspective works huh?

Man, if this is what you're saying to people you want to motivate, you need to rethink your approach.

yep....gotcha

sooooo,

my base is not belive in yourself?

"If you're poor just stop being poor"- 2stepz_ahead

an I said that when?

crazy thing is y'all really don't see how you are viewing yourselves.

smdh

Here's an idea how about giving some solutions?

 

[(Nope)]

Well let's be honest, no matter what attributes you say is the reason for someone's success there are millions who are in the same boat and didn't have the same success.

Millions of 6'4" niggas ain't Michael Jordan

Millions of mixed niggas ain't Barack Obama etc

We can do that for any attribute you want. What makes a person is their experiences and how they handled it.

Taking risks and sacrificing, working hard and making better choices, that's what its about really.

You ain't gotta be perfect, nobody is perfect.

You do have to be persistent and you do have to believe in yourself.

People fear failure and rejection, they don't really believe in themselves and they make poor decisions there should be no surprise why they're stick in the hood.

Lol

Whats will these sweeping generalizations

There are plenty of 6'4 niggas around but very few blessed with the athleticism, coordination and intelligence and upbringing of a Michael Jordan

Same with Obama, plenty of mixed niggas around... but Obama was blessed with a high IQ, a way with words, educated parents and a stable home life

Point being they grew up with plenty of advantages. Not to mention with success there is a lot of luck involved

I'd argue Mike wouldnt be close to the man he is today had his father who played a major role in his upbringing been killed when Mike was in grade school opposed to when he was an adult

Hard work and confidence is important but lets not pretend as though circumstances don't matter or matter very little...shit is far from the truth...

Its no coincidence most ppl who are born poor will die poor

And lets talk about what poverty related stress does to the brain, especially the young brain

I'd encourage anyone to strive to be their best but this idea that the ppl who live in the hood are there simply because of something they failed to do needs to die

Also someone like Jordan out worked everybody else too. He was in the gym. Same with Obama he studied hard.

sooo

let me ask you this.

what's stopping a poor person from doing the same?

if you poor. you have nothing but time.

what are you using the time for? what are you doing?

I'm not sure if you realize it or not but you just have two reasons or excuses.



does money really stop a work wthis or reading?

is hungry different in your part of the world?

Mike had a father

Obama didn't

neither may have missed a meal but both were hungry.

if I'm correct, missing meals should make you hungry-ER.

crazy how perspective works huh?

Man, if this is what you're saying to people you want to motivate, you need to rethink your approach.

yep....gotcha

sooooo,

my base is not belive in yourself?

"If you're poor just stop being poor"- 2stepz_ahead

an I said that when?

crazy thing is y'all really don't see how you are viewing yourselves.

smdh

Here's an idea how about giving some solutions?

LoL

I've been gently trying to push him in that direction.

 

[Fosheezy]

Association with poverty might have an impact on someone finances, but the suggestion that some 50 percent (supposed percentage of blacks below middle class) of blacks possibly failed to consider this is retarded.

And even in the case where all blacks in poverty missed this I still think You merely talking about a symptom of a possible underlying issue, it's not pinpointing no real issues.

Niggas don't necessarily choose to associate with poverty. Often people associate poverty with us.

Man that OP is in shambles I don't even know if anyone in here know what the thread premise is and it's way too many walls of text in this bitch

 

[2stepz_ahead]

Because African Americans are the poorest in the richest country. Median black family is worth less than $2,000 compared to whites of $110,000.

Until people accept that and demand reparations (which would not be paid to immigrant blacks), collectively the situation won't change, no matter how much you strive

ya know.....

I read alot of your posts.

you got potential.

you are better than what I'm reading now.

the very name you name yourself after would not allow you to relax. would he say...give up and wait?

your post is very valid... but it doesn't stop there.

don't ask for crumbs from someone who don't want you to eat.

that's the first mistake.

second. we have the power to change. if y'all don't see the power we have in just the leaps we made from slavery to where we are today...you are brainwashed and those very people who you are saying is holding you back has already won by controlling your thoughts and made you defeat yourself.

no one is saying it's easy.

no one is saying you must be a millionaire.

you niggas are going to extremes not me.

I'm saying make a nigga stop you from getting it.

I don't disagree with anything you wrote.

I think we know all can do more or do better. Most of all, I think there should be more solidarity, less murders, less single parent homes.

The question was why do black people focus on poverty - well they poor

so you can't have dreams? or are dreams just limited to what you think is available to you.

at some point in every kids life... they will watch TV and wonder if they can be let what they see.

the question is who or what killed that dream or thought.

too many people associate black with poor and poor with hood and hood with ignorance.

why tho? why is this part of the question kerp getting skipped over? or some nigga brings in a distraction.

maybe I'm showing my age....but the hood was just a poor area when I was young. the gang niggas knew who was an aint shit kid and who had potential. they encouraged us to go to school while they did Street shit.

never were we allowed to feel like we was less.

no matter how many times y'all say it....it wint sink in with me that because you are poor financially equals poor mentality. there are plenty examples that we can rise above....I can search back in some of these threads and y'all actually agree more people are moving up the ladder and more families and father are in there kids lives.

so someone's facts are fukked up.

or some one is skewing facts to fit their narative

or someone just don't have it a blames other shit.

 

[2stepz_ahead]

every year I go to my nieces school in Charlotte an volunteer.

while those Mexican kids are smart....I take special notice to the two black boys in the class.

both dressed real nice. had the red jordans. but teacher kept telling my wife they think they have things with them.

one of the moms has so much shit going on in her life. kid says how men are always coming thru. his dad dint spend time with him but beat up a few guys his mom likes. my wife has a way to get kids to open up without asking. they kud is the smartest in the class and often takes the lead. it's amazing to see. about an hour before he's to leave...you see his whole demeanor change. when his mom comes to get him....you'd understand why.

so I ask...the fuck does being poor got to do with that child? the lil nigga has the "it" but it's not nutured. but he's clean as fukk. his environment makes him unhappy but his core is bigger than that ad shown when he's out of it.

what I see all the placed I volunteer at..is there is more kids that are smart as fukk but that shit gets smothered not nutured. that shit gets isolated with negative connotation and not isolated and nutured as gifted.

so poor has nothing to do with it....its the poor mentality of the parent who don't even see a cycle so won't understand there's something that needs breaking. but I am sure I can hear a story about who's fault it is. when right under her nose....could be the next genius

 

[2stepz_ahead]

 

[2stepz_ahead]

Well let's be honest, no matter what attributes you say is the reason for someone's success there are millions who are in the same boat and didn't have the same success.

Millions of 6'4" niggas ain't Michael Jordan

Millions of mixed niggas ain't Barack Obama etc

We can do that for any attribute you want. What makes a person is their experiences and how they handled it.

Taking risks and sacrificing, working hard and making better choices, that's what its about really.

You ain't gotta be perfect, nobody is perfect.

You do have to be persistent and you do have to believe in yourself.

People fear failure and rejection, they don't really believe in themselves and they make poor decisions there should be no surprise why they're stick in the hood.

Lol

Whats will these sweeping generalizations

There are plenty of 6'4 niggas around but very few blessed with the athleticism, coordination and intelligence and upbringing of a Michael Jordan

Same with Obama, plenty of mixed niggas around... but Obama was blessed with a high IQ, a way with words, educated parents and a stable home life

Point being they grew up with plenty of advantages. Not to mention with success there is a lot of luck involved

I'd argue Mike wouldnt be close to the man he is today had his father who played a major role in his upbringing been killed when Mike was in grade school opposed to when he was an adult

Hard work and confidence is important but lets not pretend as though circumstances don't matter or matter very little...shit is far from the truth...

Its no coincidence most ppl who are born poor will die poor

And lets talk about what poverty related stress does to the brain, especially the young brain

I'd encourage anyone to strive to be their best but this idea that the ppl who live in the hood are there simply because of something they failed to do needs to die

Also someone like Jordan out worked everybody else too. He was in the gym. Same with Obama he studied hard.

sooo

let me ask you this.

what's stopping a poor person from doing the same?

if you poor. you have nothing but time.

what are you using the time for? what are you doing?

I'm not sure if you realize it or not but you just have two reasons or excuses.



does money really stop a work wthis or reading?

is hungry different in your part of the world?

Mike had a father

Obama didn't

neither may have missed a meal but both were hungry.

if I'm correct, missing meals should make you hungry-ER.

crazy how perspective works huh?

Man, if this is what you're saying to people you want to motivate, you need to rethink your approach.

yep....gotcha

sooooo,

my base is not belive in yourself?

"If you're poor just stop being poor"- 2stepz_ahead

an I said that when?

crazy thing is y'all really don't see how you are viewing yourselves.

smdh

Here's an idea how about giving some solutions?

Well let's be honest, no matter what attributes you say is the reason for someone's success there are millions who are in the same boat and didn't have the same success.

Millions of 6'4" niggas ain't Michael Jordan

Millions of mixed niggas ain't Barack Obama etc

We can do that for any attribute you want. What makes a person is their experiences and how they handled it.

Taking risks and sacrificing, working hard and making better choices, that's what its about really.

You ain't gotta be perfect, nobody is perfect.

You do have to be persistent and you do have to believe in yourself.

People fear failure and rejection, they don't really believe in themselves and they make poor decisions there should be no surprise why they're stick in the hood.

Lol

Whats will these sweeping generalizations

There are plenty of 6'4 niggas around but very few blessed with the athleticism, coordination and intelligence and upbringing of a Michael Jordan

Same with Obama, plenty of mixed niggas around... but Obama was blessed with a high IQ, a way with words, educated parents and a stable home life

Point being they grew up with plenty of advantages. Not to mention with success there is a lot of luck involved

I'd argue Mike wouldnt be close to the man he is today had his father who played a major role in his upbringing been killed when Mike was in grade school opposed to when he was an adult

Hard work and confidence is important but lets not pretend as though circumstances don't matter or matter very little...shit is far from the truth...

Its no coincidence most ppl who are born poor will die poor

And lets talk about what poverty related stress does to the brain, especially the young brain

I'd encourage anyone to strive to be their best but this idea that the ppl who live in the hood are there simply because of something they failed to do needs to die

Also someone like Jordan out worked everybody else too. He was in the gym. Same with Obama he studied hard.

sooo

let me ask you this.

what's stopping a poor person from doing the same?

if you poor. you have nothing but time.

what are you using the time for? what are you doing?

I'm not sure if you realize it or not but you just have two reasons or excuses.



does money really stop a work wthis or reading?

is hungry different in your part of the world?

Mike had a father

Obama didn't

neither may have missed a meal but both were hungry.

if I'm correct, missing meals should make you hungry-ER.

crazy how perspective works huh?

Man, if this is what you're saying to people you want to motivate, you need to rethink your approach.

yep....gotcha

sooooo,

my base is not belive in yourself?

"If you're poor just stop being poor"- 2stepz_ahead

an I said that when?

crazy thing is y'all really don't see how you are viewing yourselves.

smdh

Here's an idea how about giving some solutions?

LoL

I've been gently trying to push him in that direction.

how about starting with work ethic.

momentum creates motivation and motivation creates momentum.

both start with a decision to.....start.

please don't oversimplify the importance of this.

you may not be the person to get out with the hard work......but you never know who's watching. your ethic may create a current that can pull others towards you.

an once you see who floating behind you...you have an audience you can teach to grow bigger and get further an avoid your pitfall that slowed you.

if you are looking for guarantees... I can't give you that. but I can say....everyday you can become better than you was the day before.

progress is slow. but one foot in front of the other will eventually get you to the bank.

so.....solutions to the most complex problems are solved by the simplest things

take it as food for thought to look within or take it like ....see this nigga has no answers. he only talk.

there's plenty of people on this site who can prove my words true. but will you make the attempt to challenge me on a self improvement humble open minded level?

 

[2stepz_ahead]

this speaks to me more than you niggas will ever know


but y'all still clown

 

[2stepz_ahead]

his work ethic

his father

his upbringing.

nothing mattered and millions applauded him including some of y'all.

with sheer heart and determination and the will.

no excuses was given


excellence is the core not the location.

have a good day.

 

[Fosheezy]

So the problem is niggas is lazy.

 

[2stepz_ahead]

So the problem is niggas is lazy.

smdh...

just put it all down to just that huh?

ok.....

selectively yes.

niggas put in work on the shit they deem important.

the what's important would be the problem which goes back to mentality.

 

[2stepz_ahead]

I swear I hate how some if y'all belittle yourselves an have the nerve to day somekne is condescending.....

lol

y'all doing it to yourselves

 

[Fosheezy]

So the problem is niggas is lazy.

smdh...

just put it all down to just that huh?

ok.....

selectively yes.

niggas put in work on the shit they deem important.

the what's important would be the problem which goes back to mentality.

Alright lemme ask you this how many brothers you made out a millionaire or at least laced up on some plays to help them get closer to where they trying to be financially?

I ask because often what I notice is the niggas with all the answers to shit like this hardly ever seem to demonstrate the power of their wisdom beyond themselves individually. Then they cop a nerve to talk down on niggas who in fact ain't lazy but still just trying to figure they game out, but not giving any real solutions or profound ideas.

Could jealousy be the reason for some of this? Maybe that is one of the root problems.

Again how many brothers lives you done changed personally?