Debt Talks Just got Real(er)

[shootemwon]

LOL @ thinking Obama is in any way gully.

I've seen this show before. Especially the part where he says he doesn't care if it costs him the presidency, he's sticking to his guns. Of course, we'll have to wait and see, but in the past, that's what he says when he's about to cave.

 

[dawriter]

LOL @ thinking Obama is in any way gully.

I've seen this show before. Especially the part where he says he doesn't care if it costs him the presidency, he's sticking to his guns. Of course, we'll have to wait and see, but in the past, that's what he says when he's about to cave.

Why is compromise caving? Let's be for real here. Life is about compromise because unless you are calling all of the shots which the President doesn't do, then he HAS to compromise. You call it caving...I call it real life.

 

[Razah Cutz]

this man Obama sad fuck it!

 

[tru_m.a.c]

LOL @ thinking Obama is in any way gully.

I've seen this show before. Especially the part where he says he doesn't care if it costs him the presidency, he's sticking to his guns. Of course, we'll have to wait and see, but in the past, that's what he says when he's about to cave.

Stop it. No you haven't.

Your definition of caving is skewed and you're not fully understanding what it means to cave in this situation. He caved on the Bush tax cuts in order to get the conservative vote (def didn't work). He can't cave on the budget talks cause that would involve a) the US defaulting or b) a package being passed that has 0 revenue cuts

miss me....with that.....bullshit

 

[tru_m.a.c]

Why is compromise caving? Let's be for real here. Life is about compromise because unless you are calling all of the shots which the President doesn't do, then he HAS to compromise. You call it caving...I call it real life.

Compromising is caving when you're not dealing within the scope of reality/the facts.

He caved on the bank bailout. He caved on Bush Tax cuts.

This isn't a political move anymore. There is no "caving" to look moderate at this point. he already did that when he allowed 3 trillion in spending cuts that the Republicans asked for.

At this point caving would be adopting Cantors budget plans 100%. Thats not caving, thats just straight up being a bitch.

 

[kingblaze84]

I give Obama his props when it comes to the debt talks, he does seem to be the more reasonable person in this situation.

On the other hand, he's willing to sell us out on Social Security but not willing to end his expensive as fuck wars. Obama is better than Republicans at this point but he's losing tons of popularity recently. Mitt Romney beats him in two new polls today. And if America goes into default........ahh shit.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Obama may be annoying at times, but the Republicans are real shitty now. Hell, McConnell basically went on record as saying that he wanted to make moves that would make Obama look bad and so Republicans wouldn't look bad in the upcoming elections. Seriously, what kinda asshole do you have to be to basically come out and say that protecting the party is more important than trying to fix problems.

 

[tru_m.a.c]

I give Obama his props when it comes to the debt talks, he does seem to be the more reasonable person in this situation.

On the other hand, he's willing to sell us out on Social Security but not willing to end his expensive as fuck wars. Obama is better than Republicans at this point but he's losing tons of popularity recently. Mitt Romney beats him in two new polls today. And if America goes into default........ahh shit.

I won't debate with you about the wars. My motto is, I'm not a serviceman or a government agent, so I can't talk about that which I don't know.

But how is he selling us out on Social Security???

 

[tru_m.a.c]

Seriously, what kinda asshole do you have to be to basically come out and say that protecting the party is more important than trying to fix problems.

A politician.....

 

[Jonas.dini]

This shit is 99% political theater. Chamber of Commerce already told the Reps to do the shit, Obama already agreeed to the cuts GOP wants, so at this point the deal is basically a wrap, obama just trying to get SOMETHING that he can say he won in the negotiations (besides raising the debt ceiling, which Americans are more inclined to oppose anyway). I predict an 11th hour deal in which obama gives away the farm and in exchange wins some petty shit that he can campaign on, sort of like with the bush tax cuts.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

A politician.....

Exactly, and that's why they deserve all the hate you can give them.

 

[dawriter]

It's not compromising if the Republicans are always getting the better end of the deal.

That's just it, the Republicans NEVER get the better end of the deal. That's why they are mad and trying to be so hard during these talks. Why do you think Cantor has taken over the negotiations. Because when Bhoener negotiates with Obama, Obama always comes out ahead of the Republicans.

People say Obama "caved" on extending the Bush tax cuts, however no he didn't, he compromised. Republicans wanted them extended permanently, he only had them extended for two years and said no matter what they won't be extended again. That's a compromise, but in exchange what he got was a payroll tax cut that puts more money in people's check (another form of stimulus) and he got extended unemployment benefits for another 18 months when Republicans wanted that off the table all together.

During the government shutdown talks, Republicans wanted to cut 100 million dollars from the budget, then they wanted to cut 60 billion, know how much was cut? 36 billion(approx). And where did the cuts come from? None of the essential programs that Republicans wanted them to come from, they came from places where Obama had already outlined cuts...they came from places that few people care about or even know about. Nothing of significance was cut.

So you people sitting in here acting like you know what "caving" is but the fact remains he always walks away with more than he gives up.

The argument that he caved on the Public Health option is b.s. too because a "public option" wasn't added to something that NO Republican wanted but he still got passed even without a majority in the Senate. That means he had some Republican supporters...which means if anyone has "caved" it's the other side because in order to pass anything in the Senate you need 60 votes...and the Dems only had 59 seats...until last year. Now, they have less...which means there has to be more negotiating.

 

[dawriter]

This shit is 99% political theater. Chamber of Commerce already told the Reps to do the shit, Obama already agreeed to the cuts GOP wants, so at this point the deal is basically a wrap, obama just trying to get SOMETHING that he can say he won in the negotiations (besides raising the debt ceiling, which Americans are more inclined to oppose anyway). I predict an 11th hour deal in which obama gives away the farm and in exchange wins some petty shit that he can campaign on, sort of like with the bush tax cuts.

You're just typing to see your font on the screen because you're comparing some tax cuts to everything else that was in the bill he "caved" on...do you even know what else was in the bill besides the tax cuts???

 

[JadaRoss]

nah man the GOP is evil dude.they want this shit to linger on so that obama wont get elected again

them devils know what they doing

they want people to vote gop by having people think we're getting deeper in debt.

if you think about it they cant stop obama any other way

 

[thatni99ajahmal]

I won't debate with you about the wars. My motto is, I'm not a serviceman or a government agent, so I can't talk about that which I don't know.

But how is he selling us out on Social Security???

I wish more ppl were like that..

Its good he sticking to his guns but if they keep cutting away on the DOD then we wont have a military believe that..

 

[tru_m.a.c]

People say Obama "caved" on extending the Bush tax cuts, however no he didn't, he compromised. Republicans wanted them extended permanently, he only had them extended for two years and said no matter what they won't be extended again. That's a compromise, but in exchange what he got was a payroll tax cut that puts more money in people's check (another form of stimulus) and he got extended unemployment benefits for another 18 months when Republicans wanted that off the table all together.

The reason left leaning individuals consider it caving is because logically, the bush tax cuts don't make sense. Yes Obama won the payroll tax cuts and unemployment, but in the court of logic, it doesn't make sense to bend for policies that don't work.

They just don't work. Its not like he caved on an issue that logically made sense. He caved on an issue to receive votes, and get something from the other side. We're tired of that. I'm all for compromising, but I like to compromise with intellectuals that can statistically convince me of a compromise.

I don't really care that he got the unemployment benefits. Because to me, there should've never been a debate about extending the unemployment benefits. The fact that you have to compromise to extend folks on unemployment is a travesty in itself. Why does he keep letting republicans and conservatives think they are right? If you compromise with your child over doing hw, the child is going to continue to think that they have something worth fighting over. You gotta squash the debate now, so it never comes back up again.

 

[Jonas.dini]

You're just typing to see your font on the screen because you're comparing some tax cuts to everything else that was in the bill he "caved" on...do you even know what else was in the bill besides the tax cuts???

Read my post and aks urself seriously dogg, do I seem ignorant to you about this shit? Of course I know what was in the bill, nothing worth bragging about.

 

[dawriter]

The reason left leaning individuals consider it caving is because logically, the bush tax cuts don't make sense. Yes Obama won the payroll tax cuts and unemployment, but in the court of logic, it doesn't make sense to bend for policies that don't work.

They just don't work. Its not like he caved on an issue that logically made sense. He caved on an issue to receive votes, and get something from the other side. We're tired of that. I'm all for compromising, but I like to compromise with intellectuals that can statistically convince me of a compromise.

I don't really care that he got the unemployment benefits. Because to me, there should've never been a debate about extending the unemployment benefits. The fact that you have to compromise to extend folks on unemployment is a travesty in itself. Why does he keep letting republicans and conservatives think they are right? If you compromise with your child over doing hw, the child is going to continue to think that they have something worth fighting over. You gotta squash the debate now, so it never comes back up again.

But that's just it, the Republicans aren't his children and this isn't homework. This is people's lives. You answered your own question and you don't realize it. Why does he have to negotiate things that should have been a given with fools, because Republicans are in power. That's just it. The people didn't get out in November and vote the way they should have so because of that, the Republicans were able to take over the House. And because of that, he had to deal. He had to do what he had to do to get the votes because WE THE PEOPLE didn't go out and do our job. We weren't at the polls to get him the people he needed so that he wouldn't have to deal. Too many members of Congress were worried about how they would look in the elections to do their jobs and that put us in the position we're in now.

So you like everyone else can BLAME Obama for "caving" but the reality is if people did what they were supposed to do at the polls we wouldn't have had to worry about him "caving" now would we?

That's the biggest problem with the American people. Everyone talks shit about the political system however the political system is run by us. You can say corporations run it and people with money run it but the average American is too ignorant to the goings on of our Constitution to know how much power they truly have which is why the minority runs the majority and all the majority does is complain about it.

 

[dawriter]

Read my post and aks urself seriously dogg, do I seem ignorant to you about this shit? Of course I know what was in the bill, nothing worth bragging about.

If that's the case then you would know that what Obama got out of the bill was worth more than an extension of the Bush Tax Cuts for two years. Had he let the tax cuts expire, the taxes wouldn't have just gone up on the rich, they would have gone up on EVERYONE and the middle class can't afford to pay more taxes. Rich people can pay accountants to find tax loopholes, the average American would be stuck paying that extra. It's called sacrificing for the greater good. Instead of a tax increase, he got the middle class an extra tax cut. And he sacrificed little in comparison. That's the reality, you can say you know what was in that bill but I'm sorry if you really did you would know that HE came out a winner in those negotiations, the Republicans didn't and their base is pissed about it. That's why these debt talks are so difficult because Obama keeps outclassing them in negotiations and they don't want to look like losers again with the Republican primaries coming up soon.

 

[dawriter]

I wish more ppl were like that..

Its good he sticking to his guns but if they keep cutting away on the DOD then we wont have a military believe that..

I have to disagree with this because even the Pentagon has said the department of defense has more money than it needs. They've suggested cuts in their budget BEYOND what any politician has proposed. The military is good on the funding issue, that's why they are so amendment about cuts.