Debt Talks Just got Real(er)

[kingblaze84]

Your hopeless bruh honestly..

It wasnt the Kurds or the Sunnis that attempted to bomb the American base they were Shiites FROM IRAN.. Im all for ending the war if it means we dont lose more soldiers lifes in the process.. The most violent it has been in Iraq recently has been bcuz of drawing down if that mean we have to withdrawl slowly and more cautiously to save lives then thats what we have to do.. Im all about creating jobs in America but ending these wars wont create a surplus of money.. They have tried the infrastructure stimulus and it didnt work bcuz the Republicans dont want to take money from the White House (President Obama).. I have told you plenty of times the DEADLINE IS NOVEMBER for the Iraqi government to say whether they want us to stay or not.. August is the start of withdrawl and breaking down bases in Iraq.. I really have nothing else to say either you get or you dont.. As far as ppl hating us overseas Americans protest soldiers deaths so i can give two shits about being hated..

I've been listening to what you're saying but my basic point stands, why not just stick to the agreement reached in 2008 and go straight home after August, like Obama promised? It seems we're looking for an excuse to stay there in my opinion, and in the opinions of many others. I guess we will have to agree to disagree, all I know is that most Americans agree with me on ending these stupid as fuck wars.

I'm glad you want to create more jobs in the USA as I do, and to give Obama credit, the stimulus did save and create many jobs. Obama should go even further though and send our troops home asap. With 14 trillion in debt, this is no time to play world's top cop. It's bankrupting us with little benefits.

 

[kingblaze84]

What makes American politicians think they can play world's top cop when we're about to cut Social Security and Medicare??!!!

While we're 14 trillion in debt? Our politicians are beyond insane at this point.

 

[s0j0urner]

What makes American politicians think they can play world's top cop when we're about to cut Social Security and Medicare??!!!

While we're 14 trillion in debt? Our politicians are beyond insane at this point.

Well, I can write a book about why that is so, in a nutshell these are the main reasons:

The military industrial complex, do you know that we are spending billions of dollars in Afghanistan bribing tribal leaders who in turn double cross us with the Taliban, yet our infrastructure is detoriating here in the USA? WAR is what we are all about - we are involved in over 5 wars right now: Iraq, Yemen, Libya, Afghanistan, Pakistan to name a few. How are we funding these wars and what are we hoping to accomplish? Prepare to have your patriotism and loyalty questioned if you disagree with any of this.

On a side note: Israel is a US liability in the Middle East i.e. look at the above mentioned countries that we are at war with..

Our massive national debt is mainly attributable to our military engagements. Both parties are complicit and no matter what the electorate does - we [the masses] will never win. And to think that people were gullible to believe in hope and change! Three years after that hope and change – we’re involved in 5-6 wars with Muslim countries, fighting never ending wars, draining our treasury coffers.

/whatever happened to living within your means!

trust me I am a doctor.

 

[politicalthug202]

Well, I can write a book about why that is so, in a nutshell these are the main reasons:
The military industrial complex, do you know that we are spending billions of dollars in Afghanistan bribing tribal leaders who in turn double cross us with the Taliban, yet our infrastructure is detoriating here in the USA? WAR is what we are all about - we are involved in over 5 wars right now: Iraq, Yemen, Libya, Afghanistan, Pakistan to name a few. How are we funding these wars and what are we hoping to accomplish? Prepare to have your patriotism and loyalty questioned if you disagree with any of this.
On a side note: Israel is a US liability in the Middle East i.e. look at the above mentioned countries that we are at war with..
Our massive national debt is mainly attributable to our military engagements. Both parties are complicit and no matter what the electorate does - we [the masses] will never win. And to think that people were gullible to believe in hope and change! Three years after that hope and change – we’re involved in 5-6 wars with Muslim countries, fighting never ending wars, draining our treasury coffers.

/whatever happened to living within your means!

trust me I am a doctor.

the war in iraq will be over by september and ending the war in afghanistan will only save you about 1.3 trillion
at the most. the debt is mostly the result of a lost tax revenue from the recession, bush enacting medicare Part D without paying for it.
and a increase in the medicaid rolls as a result of the recession and all the baby boomers who are about to retire. and also the bush tax cuts.

 

[s0j0urner]

the war in iraq will be over by september and ending the war in afghanistan will only save you about 1.3 trillion

at the most. the debt is mostly the result of a lost tax revenue from the recession, bush enacting medicare Part D without paying for it.

and a increase in the medicaid rolls as a result of the recession and all the baby boomers who are about to retire. and also the bush tax cuts.

I propose that we increase taxes – that is the most patriotic thing to do. From your comment I am assuming that the military complex/culture had nothing to do with our ballooning, out of control deficit.

As such we [Americans] should all pitch in and increase our taxes and have the Fed spent within our means, also while we are doing that [paying higher taxes] we should protect our borders.

/when in doubt blame Bush, we ALL know that Bush was not the best president, however we knew what to expect from him - this new guy in the White House - he is so unpredictable, I do not even know if he is a Democrat or a Republican - I am being serious. Everything that he has done has been scary, from a weak Health Care reform to these many wars and ignoring the US border.

/I could go on forever, I hope you get the gist.

trust me I am a doctor.

 

[kingblaze84]

Well, I can write a book about why that is so, in a nutshell these are the main reasons:
The military industrial complex, do you know that we are spending billions of dollars in Afghanistan bribing tribal leaders who in turn double cross us with the Taliban, yet our infrastructure is detoriating here in the USA? WAR is what we are all about - we are involved in over 5 wars right now: Iraq, Yemen, Libya, Afghanistan, Pakistan to name a few. How are we funding these wars and what are we hoping to accomplish? Prepare to have your patriotism and loyalty questioned if you disagree with any of this.
On a side note: Israel is a US liability in the Middle East i.e. look at the above mentioned countries that we are at war with..
Our massive national debt is mainly attributable to our military engagements. Both parties are complicit and no matter what the electorate does - we [the masses] will never win. And to think that people were gullible to believe in hope and change! Three years after that hope and change – we’re involved in 5-6 wars with Muslim countries, fighting never ending wars, draining our treasury coffers.

/whatever happened to living within your means!

trust me I am a doctor.

All true sad to say, SS is in the Black until 2037, it's paid for overall and if we raise taxes, we can protect SS for another large number of years. And if we raise the debt ceiling while ending the wars, we can save it even further. Hope and change is out the window now, Obama is a huge disappointment this year. He doesnt understand he's bankrupting the nation butting in the business of the Middle East, I wish I knew why. My only conclusion is that he really has bought into Bush and Cheney's view of the world. The military industrial complex is more important than the elderly, middle class and poor.

Republicans are somewhat worse, but at least we see heir philosophy from a distance. Obama promised us change and instead has given us more of the same.

 

[kingblaze84]

the war in iraq will be over by september and ending the war in afghanistan will only save you about 1.3 trillion
at the most. the debt is mostly the result of a lost tax revenue from the recession, bush enacting medicare Part D without paying for it.
and a increase in the medicaid rolls as a result of the recession and all the baby boomers who are about to retire. and also the bush tax cuts.

Solid points but why wont Obama end Afghanistan now? Rumors from the military suggest we will be there after Sept 2011 and we still have too many too many troops all over the world. Obama signed off on extending the tax cuts as well and I have heard today Obama is open to extending the Bush tax cuts again to appease Republicans!!!!!

How many tax cuts and wars are we gonna continue?? Both are further bankrupting the nation, although I do blame Bush more for the reasons you have said. Either way Obama hasnt changed shit lol......he's just like him, just a slicker and darker version.

Watch Ed Schultz, he loves Obama and he's been hard as hell on him this week. He's been bashing him more than I have.

 

[thatni99ajahmal]

I've been listening to what you're saying but my basic point stands, why not just stick to the agreement reached in 2008 and go straight home after August, like Obama promised? It seems we're looking for an excuse to stay there in my opinion, and in the opinions of many others. I guess we will have to agree to disagree, all I know is that most Americans agree with me on ending these stupid as fuck wars.

I'm glad you want to create more jobs in the USA as I do, and to give Obama credit, the stimulus did save and create many jobs. Obama should go even further though and send our troops home asap. With 14 trillion in debt, this is no time to play world's top cop. It's bankrupting us with little benefits.

Im glad you seen some light but trust me the war isnt whats bankrupting us.. It plays a part just like everything else plays a part..

 

[tru_m.a.c]

Once America stops interfering with everything the Middle East does, we can save more money and let the Middle East take care of their own issues.

Arabs are not babies, they are not children.

Define "babies" lol...no but seriously....

They are human beings, and for the record, they have a very low crime rate compared to America. Once we leave them alone, America will be hated a lot less.

Why, are ppl for the sake of their arguments, so blindly trusting of "human beings." Don't trust the moral compass of humans.

Israel will go through hell, true, but that would be Israel's fault.

Wow. Just wow. How can you, as a person, seriously condone such a thought. As if this is the equivalent of dealing with the consequences of cutting school, or not doing hw. If you can seriously go to sleep at night, ok with the end result of this statement, then we have nothing left to discuss.

 

[edeeesq]

What makes American politicians think they can play world's top cop when we're about to cut Social Security and Medicare??!!!

While we're 14 trillion in debt? Our politicians are beyond insane at this point.

I'm in the insurance industry and I have to interject something here....

When it comes to cuts to medicare and SS, I think you're picture cute little elderly people sitting at home with no medication and no way to pay for it. And yes, while there is a sector of people who are going to experience these problems, the main retooling of the medicare and SS system are those who are actually taking advantage of the process.

Think about it, have you seen all those "Scooter Store" commercials where people/companies/etc will "bill medicare directly" and stuff like that, often times these companies have made a business in getting paid excessively for things people may or may not need. I have to believe these cuts will take a look at these practices, not little ol Mildred with her high blood pressure pills.

Same thing with SSI, its not that people don't need it, (I have parents of SS age, So its a topic close to heart) but there are shitloads of people (Especially in Cali) that are able bodied and getting it.

I'm thinking these are areas that deserves these cuts

 

[tru_m.a.c]

I'm in the insurance industry and I have to interject something here....

When it comes to cuts to medicare and SS, I think you're picture cute little elderly people sitting at home with no medication and no way to pay for it. And yes, while there is a sector of people who are going to experience these problems, the main retooling of the medicare and SS system are those who are actually taking advantage of the process.

Think about it, have you seen all those "Scooter Store" commercials where people/companies/etc will "bill medicare directly" and stuff like that, often times these companies have made a business in getting paid excessively for things people may or may not need. I have to believe these cuts will take a look at these practices, not little ol Mildred with her high blood pressure pills.

Same thing with SSI, its not that people don't need it, (I have parents of SS age, So its a topic close to heart) but there are shitloads of people (Especially in Cali) that are able bodied and getting it.

I'm thinking these are areas that deserves these cuts

See, only sensible non emotional ppl can smell through the political bullshit. I'm in health care so I absolutely know what you're talking about. Actually I prob got beef with you cause we out chea trying to get reimbursement for our physicians....but thats another thread lol

Problem is, with the uneducated/uninformed general public, they won't understand the situations you just brought up. Once they see you agreed to a cut, once they see you voted for a cut, you've tainted your political legacy.

 

[janklow]

Well as long as you admit the wmd was never found there, it's all good. And Saddam's refusal to sell oil using petrodollars is the main reason we went into Iraq--

you can stop there, because my prior posts are about how i do not agree with this theory. so saying "it's all good" is really saying "i don't want to address what you posted above, so i'll pretend we agree."

- second for American oil companies to go wild with Iraq's oil fields. Read this link...

"before i "do research on Saddam and his refusal to sell oil using petrodollars," explain to me how the request for me to do so addresses any of the things i said that you quoted"

 

[kingblaze84]

you can stop there, because my prior posts are about how i do not agree with this theory. so saying "it's all good" is really saying "i don't want to address what you posted above, so i'll pretend we agree."

"before i "do research on Saddam and his refusal to sell oil using petrodollars," explain to me how the request for me to do so addresses any of the things i said that you quoted"

Do research on Saddam's refusal to sell oil using the petrodollar and you will see why the USA rushed into the war in Iraq. If you yourself agree we should not have went into Iraq, I dont see what else we have to discuss.

 

[kingblaze84]

Define "babies" lol...no but seriously....

Why, are ppl for the sake of their arguments, so blindly trusting of "human beings." Don't trust the moral compass of humans.

Wow. Just wow. How can you, as a person, seriously condone such a thought. As if this is the equivalent of dealing with the consequences of cutting school, or not doing hw. If you can seriously go to sleep at night, ok with the end result of this statement, then we have nothing left to discuss.

I'll feel sorry for Israel when it stops stealing land, farmland, and water from Palestinians. If you want to protect an apartheid regime, suit yourself. I agree with Nelson Mandela on Israel. If you support the stealing of land and water, knock yourself out. I sleep fine knowing I am on the side of justice. I dont know which side you're on. Here is what one of my personal heroes Nelson Mandela has said about Israel........

You seem to be surprised to hear that there are still problems of 1948 to be solved, the most important component of which is the right to return of Palestinian refugees.

The Palestinian-Israeli conflict is not just an issue of military occupation and Israel is not a country that was established "normally" and happened to occupy another country in 1967. Palestinians are not struggling for a "state" but for freedom, liberation and equality, just like we were struggling for freedom in South Africa.

Continue reading at NowPublic.com: Nelson Mandela speaks on the Gazan Crisis | NowPublic News Coverage http://www.nowpublic.com/world/nelson-mandela-speaks-gazan-crisis#ixzz1SsJaRgjY

 

[earth two superman]

I'm in the insurance industry and I have to interject something here....

When it comes to cuts to medicare and SS, I think you're picture cute little elderly people sitting at home with no medication and no way to pay for it. And yes, while there is a sector of people who are going to experience these problems, the main retooling of the medicare and SS system are those who are actually taking advantage of the process.

Think about it, have you seen all those "Scooter Store" commercials where people/companies/etc will "bill medicare directly" and stuff like that, often times these companies have made a business in getting paid excessively for things people may or may not need. I have to believe these cuts will take a look at these practices, not little ol Mildred with her high blood pressure pills.

Same thing with SSI, its not that people don't need it, (I have parents of SS age, So its a topic close to heart) but there are shitloads of people (Especially in Cali) that are able bodied and getting it.

I'm thinking these are areas that deserves these cuts

great post....

 

[kingblaze84]

I'm in the insurance industry and I have to interject something here....

When it comes to cuts to medicare and SS, I think you're picture cute little elderly people sitting at home with no medication and no way to pay for it. And yes, while there is a sector of people who are going to experience these problems, the main retooling of the medicare and SS system are those who are actually taking advantage of the process.

Think about it, have you seen all those "Scooter Store" commercials where people/companies/etc will "bill medicare directly" and stuff like that, often times these companies have made a business in getting paid excessively for things people may or may not need. I have to believe these cuts will take a look at these practices, not little ol Mildred with her high blood pressure pills.

Same thing with SSI, its not that people don't need it, (I have parents of SS age, So its a topic close to heart) but there are shitloads of people (Especially in Cali) that are able bodied and getting it.

I'm thinking these are areas that deserves these cuts

I agree with you 100%, my mother works in health care as a patient care technician, she tells me many stories. I do security in an apartment building owned by a large hospital in the Bronx, and doctors tell me funny stories too. But many of the cuts will also raise the retirement age and decrease cost of living raises. As I've said before, I can accept the cuts (I have no plans to live a very long life) but if we're gonna continue endless wars, than it just seems our politicians are being selfish as fuck.

Seniors, the disabled, and the financially vulnerable (middle class and poor) will be hurt by the cuts either way, the proposed cuts wont be pretty. NBC News did a report on this today.

 

[Young_Chitlin]

I'm on financial aid, will that not be given to me if there is not debt ceiling agreement?

 

[janklow]

Do research on Saddam's refusal to sell oil using the petrodollar and you will see why the USA rushed into the war in Iraq.

"before i "do research on Saddam and his refusal to sell oil using petrodollars," explain to me how the request for me to do so addresses any of the things i said that you quoted"

If you yourself agree we should not have went into Iraq, I dont see what else we have to discuss.

if you actually read any of my posts, you would know that is not what i said. i understand that you've decided to NOT address the posts, and that's fine, but at least acknowledge the fact that you cannot accurately state my position.