'Africans sold us into slavery'

[Paul Hate.]

There is no trace of African culture left in the Dominican Republic? Or is it racism that has us thinking that there is no connection with each other?

^Minimal traces.

Music,food,certain religious practices and folkore,some linguistic terms are up for debate..But even those cultural remants have been watered down and mixed with taino and european elements.Alot of it was lost because of an prohibition on african culture by the Trujillo/Balaguer regime.

Regardless,if a kid in africa drinks coca cola and rocks nike..does that mean hes american?

 

[Paul Hate.]

Like I said before, nigga, please.

My father grew up on the South side of chicago. He was stopped by immigration services in Chicago because they thought he was an illegal African immigrant. They didn't give a fuck that he had grown up in the city his whole life and that he was a citizen. Skin color was all that mattered. The world doesn't give a shit. To them, you and I will be the same because we are both Black.

The sooner foreign Blacks realize that we aren't that different and that the world looks at us all like niggas, the better off they will be in the United States.

BTW--I don't assume that you don't know anything. I just ignore it whenever I see Wikipedia sources posted bc I've learned not to take it seriously.

You keep bringing up personal experiences.Instead of fact....

You wanna ignore information from the internet while debating ON THE INTERNET.If forgot to bring my African History books with me,my fault.

Lets talk about what else happened to you in real life to correlate with this discussion...

 

[StillFaggyAF]

But the things is, We are all of African descent, but we ARE different. I don't disagree that to the world, black is black, but Paul Hate is right when he says that nationality and culture play a HUGE role

 

[Paul Hate.]

The way the "world looks at all of us" has nothing to do with anything.If the world saw you like an animal,would you act like one?Thats another problem I see common with the American Negroe,self-defeatism and embracing negative stereotypes of their own.

We all have different cultures and nationalities that matters more regardless of race relations in the united states.Race and culture are two different things.

 

[Paul Hate.]

That's cultural imperialism, not racial heritage.

Racial heritage of blacks in the west isnt pure.So its not a true heritages,things got mixed up watered down during slavery.Then repressed in most countries after slavery.

Its a mixture a bastardization of different african cultures and then more mixture with native and european.Its some melting pot bullshit.Its not like I can throw on a Jay Z record and say "oh listen to those drums,those come from the Ghanian festival dances".(lol)

Even though ive heard alot of so called black american intellectuals say stupid shit like that..

 

[Paul Hate.]

But the things is, We are all of African descent, but we ARE different. I don't disagree that to the world, black is black, but Paul Hate is right when he says that nationality and culture play a HUGE role

I think alot of americans wanna cover up the "no african culture " thing when they bring up the "black is black" line.

Is black black when you american kids make fun of haitians and african kids and say they are too black and they are ugly ugga boogas and shit like that???

 

[StillFaggyAF]

I give personal experiences because sometimes that does help an actual discussion, rather than just repeating facts. Son, information on the internet is quick, but so much of it isn't legit and is inaccurate. It's nothing personal, my instinct is just to disregard it because it's just how I've been taught to operate.

I can honestly say that when I was in Botswana and South Africa, there seemed to be little difference between the kids I was in school with and myself. I'm speaking on my experience because it directly contradicts everything people told me before I began to travel outside of the United States and experience things for myself. That's why I'm not coming here with tired cliches about how we are so different when I never experienced that at all.

Secondary school or College? There are differences between Africans, West Indians, and African Americans. You can't even argue that

 

[Paul Hate.]

I give personal experiences because sometimes that does help an actual discussion, rather than just repeating facts. Son, information on the internet is quick, but so much of it isn't legit and is inaccurate. It's nothing personal, my instinct is just to disregard it because it's just how I've been taught to operate.

I can honestly say that when I was in Botswana and South Africa, there seemed to be little difference between the kids I was in school with and myself. I'm speaking on my experience because it directly contradicts everything people told me before I began to travel outside of the United States and experience things for myself. That's why I'm not coming here with tired cliches about how we are so different when I never experienced that at all.

I am not coming here with tired cliches,i posted web site sources,you saying there bullshit but still (thats twice now I ask you to pinpoint whats wrong in those paragraphs)havent adressed what I posted???

How can we verify your own personal opinions on the matter?

If I look up Zambian and Botswanna culture,youre telling me im gonna see african kids dressed up,talking and acting JUST like african american kids??

Cuz youre relating this shit against FACTS...like these opinions of yours are FACT.

 

[StillFaggyAF]

I've rarely seen this. Most Haitians and African kids are listening to hip hop, dressing the way African Americans do, adopting the slang, and chilling in the same circles where I'm at. I feel like the whole separatist thing is overhyped. Yes, it exists in small pockets, but there's ignorance everywhere.

yeah, they emulate American culture but there are different cultures within the people of African descent. They may listen to hip hop and dress the way Americans do, but they go home and don't act that way

Plus, you've never seen evidence of a rift between African-Americans and West Indian/recent African immigrants?

 

[Paul Hate.]

*shrugs* Sure it does. It implies that there is a commonality, even though you may not acknowledge it. BTW, I don't have a defeatist attitude. I see the way the world works. It makes me happy to feel connected to other Black people, not trapped. I really don't care if you're from Zimbabwe, Haiti, Kenya, or wherever. We're all Black. I don't see cultural differences that exist as as separating factor, but one that should generate more interest to learn from each other. It's all a matter of perspective.

^Thats a quasi racist mentality.So you feel a bond with people just by the color of their skin?

You would sit next to a foreigner in a different country,with a different language,religion and customs that are prone to disliking americans and not sit next to another american person because that foreigner was black?

ALSO:Alot of Africans themselves say the following:"Black people are from africa.Real black man is in africa" "Foreign black man is 'poomwee'" poomwee is white man.

African themselves have a fractured sense of what it is to be african..They see themselves by nationality,culture,and tribes..

Personally I do see color but culture and nationality matters more..

 

[Paul Hate.]

I've rarely seen this. Most Haitians and African kids are listening to hip hop, dressing the way African Americans do, adopting the slang, and chilling in the same circles where I'm at. I feel like the whole separatist thing is overhyped. Yes, it exists in small pockets, but there's ignorance everywhere.

Youve never seen african american kids make fun of and dislike foreign black kids for no apparent reason?

But youve seen kids in Zambia act nearly identical to kids in america...is Zambia just like compton?lmao...

 

[Paul Hate.]

There's a difference in looking something up and actually visiting a place. Where I was at, I saw Africans using AA slang, listening to hip hop, and showed me mad love.

You can verify it by actually traveling to Africa and seeing things for yourself. Then I would like to see if there is such a "big difference" as people like to claim. There is more in common than you think and that's what I experienced when I lived there last year.

Yes theres a difference in posting FACTS and posting personal opinions.

You can debate my facts and the stuff i pasted in this thread with other FACTS!,I cant do the same to your own personal opinions.I could laugh at them though..lol..

 

[StillFaggyAF]

Youve never seen african american kids make fun of and dislike foreign black kids for no apparent reason?

But youve seen kids in Zambia act nearly identical to kids in america...is Zambia just like compton?lmao...

this. i've been made fun by whites for being black, by blacks for being Jamaican, by Jamaicans for being American, etc. etc.

 

[Chike]

There were sell out house negroes back in the day, just like there are today..... I don't understand how these sell out assholes negroes that participated in the slave trade represent the rest of the black race when today, real negroes expose and disown modern day fake ass sell out coons.

Same shit happened when egypt was conquered by Alexander the great. Real negroes refused to tell him what was written on the pyramids... but low and behold, cut off a few heads and there's bound to be a sell out house negro ready to give massah what he want....

When racists use the whole "you sold yourselves into slavery" excuse... it's even more pathetic than if they just admitted that they enjoy the thought of considering blacks as less human.

 

[Huruma]

^Yes I can.

Cuz that slave was stripped of his identity,family,history,culture,language and was interbred with other races of people,indoctrinated with euro,christian beleif and through his offspring eventually integrated and intermixed somemore.

So even when that first african slave in my bloodline stepped foot in the plantation he was no longer african.They raped his women and kids,took his name,religion and everything.The very first footstep in the americas he was no longer african.

The slave trade itself disconnected him from africa.

I'm sure most of the first Africans brought to the West still identified as Yoruba, Wolof, Akan, Kongo etc. whether they were 'allowed' to or not. In Latin America, I know the Yoruba religion was often practiced secretly which is why the orisons are disguised as Catholic saints (or something like that). In the U.S, you have the African Methodist Episcopal church which was founded in the 18th century (by free Blacks?). Anyways, the development of Black American culture, West Indian cultures, Latino culture etc. was a gradual process that probably spanned generations. You were born in the U.S to Dominican and Cuban parents (?), despite the pro-melting pot/anti-cultural mosaic attitude of many Americans, do you not identify with your ethnic heritage?

Bold - you can't 'strip' someone of their family or history, you can only divide families and discourage someone from acknowledging or passing on knowledge of their history. The first African slaves brought to the West had geneological ties to the ethnic groups they left behind whether they were allowed to practice their culture or not.

It still makes no difference as far as my argument is concerned since Africans never sold Black Americans/West Indians/Latinos into slavery regardless of whether or not the slaves 'stopped being African' the minute they set foot on American soil.

By the way, culture and ethnicity aren't actually the same thing. An Italian raised in China by adopted Chinese parents might have little in common, culturally, with his biological parents, aunts/uncles, siblings, cousins, grandparents etc. who live in Italy but he still has geneological ties to Italian culture even if he himself is culturally Chinese. I wouldn't argue that Western Blacks are African (I wouldn't argue against this either) but the fact that most of them (including most West Indians?) have some European ancestry is irrelevant, it would only mean that they have ties to European cultures as well as African ones. It's not an either or situation, which is why I never understood people who argue that mixed ('mulatto') people are neither Black or White as opposed to both Black and White (at least ethnically if not racially, since mixed people usually resemble light skinned Black people and race is based on phenotype whereas ethnicity is based on geneaology).

 

[StillFaggyAF]

Eh, not really. Sure they'll be some of that, but I feel like it just because generalizations and people just developing their own reasons not to talk to someone Black from another culture. Just overhyped negativity to me.

Wow. You need to come to NYC, NJ, or Boston smh

 

[Paul Hate.]

People that have the same color are lumped together by outsiders,cool.Thats true but that means its correct.Culture,Lifestyle,Nationality,religions and differences in languages and even income dont matter at all?

So the basic argument by Princess Jihaad (and alot of black americans from my experience) is "well guess what youre a nigger to to them"?

Lets say its true,does that make it so..We are all animals and were all the same because black america and racist white people have ordained it to be soo..

lol,just cuz the same color dont make us the same shit.Americans are selfdeafists as fuck bro..its sad..

--hate.

 

[Paul Hate.]

I'm sure most of the first Africans brought to the West still identified as Yoruba, Wolof, Akan, Kongo etc. whether they were 'allowed' to or not. In Latin ).

Thats something well never know,how many did actually classify themselves as still being "african" or from what tribe or if they even got along(ive read some instances they were still tribal).

Common sense though,they submitted after a while.How many slave revolts actually occured throughout the span of slavery?Thats tells you everything right there.I know that hurts alot of people but truth is niggas picked that cotton and cut that sugarcane and the women spread their legs..

 

[Paul Hate.]

Nope. I really haven't and niggas should be past that because it's 2011. I don't believe that things in the world are as tragic as people make it seem like it is or as divisive.

More power to you then.

whatever,there are some commanlities but theres more differences between slave descendants in the west and africans.

 

[StillFaggyAF]

I mean, of course I know that exists, but I'd like to think most of us have moved on from that. I hate what white supremacy has done to be so divisive.

Someone being Black from another country has always been cool to me, so I never trip over it. I think it's interesting to have two people from different places and find commonalities.

IDK where you're from but there's def conflicts out here. And IDK if its white supremacy that made native born African-Americans tell me i'm not black, i'm Jamaican. And when a black kid can't speak proper American English, he gets demonized by American blacks