'Africans sold us into slavery'

[Paul Hate.]

now im skimming through some info about slavery in the african horn countries they were mostly women sex slaves and their kids working as domestic help.They were allowed to roam free and travel...

 

[Huruma]

Yes,there was differences between Roman Slavery,Arab Slavery,and European Slave trade...big differences between colonies,outposts and regions.Regardless I dont care what nobody says,how can you not notice the people you sold into "servitude" never came back???Went away on a big ship and these pale face bastards keeping coming back with more and more goods to trade for more and more people..

Nobodies that stupid and like I said after a while they were beefing for the sole purpose of selling people

Like I said, 'probably'.

Yes some tribes in the south fough back but so what?

Besides the fact that countless Africans then and none today had anything to do with the Atlantic slave trade, it makes no sense to resent people on behalf of people who belong to the same group you resent. Nobody has yet countered this point or explained how Black Americans/West Indians/Latinos are actually justified in resenting Africans for selling their ancestors into slavery when their own ancestors were themselves Africans.

 

[StillFaggyAF]

What is your definition of "chattel" slavery? Chattel implies that one is subhuman and beneath his superiors, devoid of any humanity. I've already said that in many tribes someone in slavery could be educated, could marry into the owner's family, and were not psychically scarred as Africans in the Americas were. I doubt you can compare slavery in Africa to the TransAtlatic slave trade, which resulted in the death of 60 million and cultural and political genocide.

My definition of chattel slavery is the same. I doubt the 60 million dead data, i'd have to see where you got that from. Chattel slavery occured everywhere

 

[Paul Hate.]

there's no proof of that

maybe the whites learned cruelty from Africans

not saying its a fact but we cant just say whites invented whipping slaves and shit

^Theres no proof or what?Indentured slavery?

There is proof of all forms of slavery since roman days and slaves where disciplined differently depending of what era and area you choose to speak on.

 

[StillFaggyAF]

Like I said, 'probably'.

Besides the fact that countless Africans then and none today had anything to do with the Atlantic slave trade, it makes no sense to resent people on behalf of people who belong to the same group you resent. Nobody has yet countered this point or explained how Black Americans/West Indians/Latinos are actually justified in resenting Africans for selling their ancestors into slavery when their own ancestors were themselves Africans.

Cosign this

 

[ItzGravitation]

^Theres no proof or what?Indentured slavery?

There is proof of all forms of slavery since roman days and slaves where disciplined differently depending of what era and area you choose to speak on.

i know slaves have been around since forever
i'm just saying you cant say whites/euros were the first to mistreat slaves the way they did
they had to learn from someone

 

[Paul Hate.]

STOP ROMANTIZING AFRICANS:

"The Atlantic slave trade peaked in the late 18th century, when the largest number of slaves were captured on raiding expeditions into the interior of West Africa.[citation needed] These expeditions were typically carried out by African kingdoms against weaker African ethnic groups and peoples. These mass slavers included the Oyo empire (Yoruba), Kong Empire, Kingdom of Benin, Kingdom of Fouta Djallon, Kingdom of Fouta Tooro, Kingdom of Koya, Kingdom of Khasso, Kingdom of Kaabu, Fante Confederacy, Ashanti Confederacy, and the kingdom of Dahomey. Europeans rarely entered the interior of Africa, due to fear of disease and moreover fierce African resistance.[53]

Before the arrival of the Portuguese, slavery had already existed in Kingdom of Kongo. Despite its establishment within his kingdom, Afonso I of Kongo believed that the slave trade should be subject to Kongo law. When he suspected the Portuguese of receiving illegally enslaved persons to sell, he wrote letters to the King João III of Portugal in 1526 imploring him to put a stop to the practice.

The kings of Dahomey sold their war captives into transatlantic slavery, who otherwise would have been killed in a ceremony known as the Annual Customs. As one of West Africa's principal slave states, Dahomey became extremely unpopular with neighbouring peoples.[54][55][56] Like the Bambara Empire to the east, the Khasso kingdoms depended heavily on the slave trade for their economy. A family's status was indicated by the number of slaves it owned, leading to wars for the sole purpose of taking more captives.

This trade led the Khasso into increasing contact with the European settlements of the west coast, particularly the French.[57] Benin grew increasingly rich during the 16th and 17th centuries on the slave trade with Europe; enslaved people from enemy states of the interior were sold, and carried to the Americas in Dutch and Portuguese ships. The Bight of Benin's shore soon came to be known as the "Slave Coast".[58]

Several historians, such as João C. Curto, have made important contributions to the global understanding of the African side of the Atlantic slave trade. By arguing that African merchants determined the assemblage of trade goods accepted in exchange for slaves, many historians argue for African agency and ultimately a shared responsibility for the slave"

^Thank you,stfu people..I know my shit..

 

[Paul Hate.]

i know slaves have been around since forever

i'm just saying you cant say whites/euros were the first to mistreat slaves the way they did

they had to learn from someone

Well you had different societies probably since the beggening of time.We have better records of the romans and then on til now.Different cultures also meant different ways of viewing slavery.Some was basically domestic workers others were property and you had people that couldnt even comprehend how you can own someone(the Quakers).

 

[Huruma]

i know slaves have been around since forever
i'm just saying you cant say whites/euros were the first to mistreat slaves the way they did
they had to learn from someone

But according to your logic, the people who taught Whites to be cruel couldn't have been the first to mistreat slaves they way they did either..

I'm not saying Whites didn't learn their tactics from Africans (although I seriously doubt they would have consulted Africans for any other reason than economic trade) but you haven't shown that it's likely or probable for any reason. Cruelty is a part of our DNA, most of us don't need to learn it from someone else if we have a somewhat decent imagination.

 

[Paul Hate.]

Like I said, 'probably'.

Besides the fact that countless Africans then and none today had anything to do with the Atlantic slave trade, it makes no sense to resent people on behalf of people who belong to the same group you resent. Nobody has yet countered this point or explained how Black Americans/West Indians/Latinos are actually justified in resenting Africans for selling their ancestors into slavery when their own ancestors were themselves Africans.

I dont resent shit and I dont deny shit.Im saying I dont feel no real bond or connection with africa other than the place my first slave ancestor came from.Very little else.You could well Dominican music and Food,yeah but thats a mesh of cultures not just african and the african it has comes from several different tribes.

So whats the point at the end of the day.I dont say "oh well africans sold my ancestors into slavery,fuck them any old way"no..BUT I do realize they did and that I dont have much of a bond with them.

Like I said,Black History in the Americas starts with Trans Atlantic slavery.Im from THIS side and have more things than african in me and mostly Western culture.Im not an african.

 

[StillFaggyAF]

I read it in a book by Walter Rodney.

Most people who died in the Transatlantic slave trade died while en route to the Americas.

If you don't believe me, do the research on the numbers.

a quick Google search for a couple of sources show that the 60 Million includes slaves killed in during the Middle Passage, as well as those killed while living in Africa, the Caribbean, and Central and South America

 

[Paul Hate.]

What's the source for this? Not wikipedia, I hope.

Obviously it dont matter what website I say because your gonna say you dont trust the white mans account of history..so..dont really gaf..

 

[ItzGravitation]

But according to your logic, the people who taught Whites to be cruel couldn't have been the first to mistreat slaves they way they did either..

I'm not saying Whites didn't learn their tactics from Africans (although I seriously doubt they would have consulted Africans for any other reason than economic trade) but you haven't shown that it's likely or probable for any reason. Cruelty is a part of our DNA, most of us don't need to learn it from someone else if we have a somewhat decent imagination.

i really dont give a fuck about slavery
shit is old news
i just hate how everyone acts as if whites were the inventors and masters(no pun) of it

 

[Huruma]

I dont resent shit and I dont deny shit.Im saying I dont feel no real bond or connection with africa other than the place my first slave ancestor came from.Very little else.You could well Dominican music and Food,yeah but thats a mesh of cultures not just african and the african it has comes from several different tribes.

So whats the point at the end of the day.I dont say "oh well africans sold my ancestors into slavery,fuck them any old way"no..BUT I do realize they did and that I dont have much of a bond with them.

Like I said,Black History in the Americas starts with Trans Atlantic slavery.Im from THIS side and have more things than african in me and mostly Western culture.Im not an african.

That's fine but you still can't distinguish between the African slaves you descend from and the other African people who remained behind on the continent as though they were too separate groups (not that Africans have ever been a 'single' group but you know what I mean). It's not my place to tell you that you should or should not identify as African or 'feel a connection' to Africans, I respect either decision.

 

[Paul Hate.]

Blacks of slave descent(IN THE AMERICAS) have a differnt history and even amongst themselves theres a lot of cultural uniqueness,bad blood division and hate.Perfect example Dominicans vs Haitians vs.Jamaicans.

All we're all in the same region.

An African is in his homeland FOR REAL.Even though weve been here for centuries,weve been intermixed,watered down and then intergrated within our respective countries.Honestly from this part of the world only a Haitian can look me in the eye and say "FUck,you.Paul look at my culture im clearly african" and ill be quiet.

We dont even look similar at this point,90 percent of the time..

 

[Paul Hate.]

That's fine but you still can't distinguish between the African slaves you descend from and the other African people who remained behind on the continent as though they were too separate groups (not that Africans have ever been a 'single' group but you know what I mean). It's not my place to tell you that you should or should not identify as African or 'feel a connection' to Africans, I respect either decision.

^Yes I can.

Cuz that slave was stripped of his identity,family,history,culture,language and was interbred with other races of people,indoctrinated with euro,christian beleif and through his offspring eventually integrated and intermixed somemore.

So even when that first african slave in my bloodline stepped foot in the plantation he was no longer african.They raped his women and kids,took his name,religion and everything.The very first footstep in the americas he was no longer african.

The slave trade itself disconnected him from africa.

 

[Paul Hate.]

I read books, not Google searches. But regardless, you didn't disprove anything I said, because there isn't any information you've provided me that shows that slavery in Africa equated to slavery in the Americas. Not just by numbers of people killed, but culturally as well.

So it was Wikipedia, huh?

Who the fuck is gonna go out and buy a book for this discussion right now?

You act like those same authors dont research other sources themselves.I actually rather trust internt sources than b.s american black authors who like romanticizing shit.

 

[Paul Hate.]

Like I said I dont feel this huge bond with other diasporians (example Americans or Haitians) how the hell can I feel some weird mystical bond with africa,when I have no real african culture left???

 

[Paul Hate.]

Basically.

People don't get it that Black is black. Of course there are distinctions, but who gives a shit at the end of the day.

The worldf isn't going to see an African American or a Black Dominican. They're going to see two niggas. Point blank.

I accept that. It is what it is.

Thats bullshit.Culture and Nationality and even religion have more of a say in how a person lives his life then skin color.Regardless of that b.s. one drop rule is racist shit.I look at my mother and grand mother and they are mixed and i look at my grandfather and father and they look jet black..theres more in me than just black..

 

[Paul Hate.]

Nigga, please.

Book knowledge + research>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>shit that can be messed with on Wiki.

Which is why I can't take people's argument seriously if they trust to be what is on there for a factual discussion. It's like watching the History channel and thinking it's legit.

Cool,

Youre well read on the subject...and you dont beleive or question my sources because they are from online.Why havent you pinpointed any errors in what I posted?......

Why havent you even tried to dissect anything in there?

"Oh,well nigga cuz thats just some ole made up wikipedia b.s".

If its bullshit then prove it...

And I love how you assume in not well versed on the subject at hand myself.

Carry on though...