'Africans sold us into slavery'

[Huruma]

Judah,

What is that supposed to mean? "It makes sense to resent Africans for selling *other* Africans into slavery because X Y Z". This is what I'm looking for.

i've seen this topic brought up on here b4 and all i can say is that, u or most of u africans obviously see this issue differently than the blacks whose ancestors have been through slavery.

Basically fuck yall for that slavery shit, thats how i feel about it, i'll leave the other posters to break it down for u...but yeah fuck yall

I genuinely want to understand the logic behind this. And I doubt most Africans see the issue differently than Black Americans do, I represent myself, no one else. Contrary to popular belief, the overwhelming majority of Africans identify with Black Americans, at least in my personal observation and experience. Whenever I hear of an African say something like "yea, we sold them into slavery", a part of me assumes it's just a defense mechanism they use to convince themselves that they 'deserve' whatever discrimination or mistreatment they receive from Black Americans/West Indians (and I'm not denying this discrimination goes both way). If Africans had sold Black Americans/West Indians/Latinos into slavery then I could completely understand (even if disagree), but their victims were *other* Africans and obviously those African slaves didn't resent the Africans who enslaved them on the basis of their being African since they were African themselves...

Some African kings/queens fought against the slave trade, (Queen Nzinga comes to mind) and most African cultures had nothing to do with the Atlantic slave trade since most of the slaves came from the Western African coast (the exception being Mozambique where many of the slaves taken to Brazil by the Portuguese came from).

^Bullshit.

Some africans that were involved in that trade traveled freely to slave colonies and back to their tribes in africa.They were aware of what was going on.You cant see a ship full of africans in chains and shackles and fortesses being built to house slaves in coastal areas and assume its for show.

Thats bullshit.

Probably, although slavery in traditional African societies was different than the chattel slavery of the West.

Africans sold other africans becus it was already common practice to have endurted servitude and take prisoners of wars as slaves.It was just a common practice regardless them the Arabs came and the Europeans made it a business.

Africans were never unique in having slaves. Besides hunter-gatherers, I'm almost certain that every,or almost every, culture in the world has traditionally practiced slavery. The Greeks, Egyptians, Arabs, (at least some) Native Americans, (at least some) south east Asians etc. all practiced slavery. Slavery, prior to the 19th century, was like eating meat. Future generations will recognize it as barbaric but for most of us today it's just 'the natural order of things'.

 

[Paul Hate.]

I was talking more about Brutality but good point. And an interesting fact is that the majority of slaves in Haiti were foreign born

^They kept importing slaves to Haiti thats why.They also sold alot of slaves from Haiti to Puerto Rico.

Brutality as well depends on which country.The Spaniards,Ducth,French and Porteguese had more leniancy towards their offspring with slave women and their prefered sexual mistresses.They had a preference to free and deal with the mulato slave and unintentionally created a mulato/free person society.Some places like Cuba and PR slaves had side business and bought their freedom...other places like in the English colonies truly feared rebellion and revolt with Jamaica and the marroons,they tried to totally do away with the slaves african identity.

The English were the probably the worst.

 

[StillFaggyAF]

^They kept importing slaves to Haiti thats why.They also sold alot of slaves from Haiti to Puerto Rico.

Brutality as well depends on which country.The Spaniards,Ducth,French and Porteguese had more leniancy towards their offspring with slave women and their prefered sexual mistresses.They had a preference to free and deal with the mulato slave and unintentionally created a mulato/free person society.Some places like Cuba and PR slaves had side business and bought their freedom...other places like in the English colonies truly feared rebellion and revolt with Jamaica and the marroons,they tried to totally do away with the slaves african identity.

The English were the probably the worst.

The French were worse than the English by a bit i think. The Dutch were pretty unsuccessful with slavery tho lol

 

[StillFaggyAF]

If that's your argument, then I don't agree at all. From what I've read, "slavery" in Africa, if you could call it that, was NOTHING like the chattel slavery system in America where people were considered inhuman and shred of dignity.

its not an argument, its a fact. What? You thought white people created slavery?

 

[ItzGravitation]

so people know how africans treated their slaves?
you been alive that long jihad?
how did they treat them?
what did they feed them since you know how every slave was treated

 

[Paul Hate.]

The difference is that in America, slaveowners made sure that different tribes were mixed up, so Black Americans had no choice but to develop their own culture . This wasn't really the case in the Caribbean and Latin America

Nah.If anything black americans didnt keep shit..the least of all diasporians.

Latin people bled into the general population because most mulatoes wered freed but dont get it confused.They/We kept alot of african heritage...food,music,art,religion.(Santeria,Voodo,candomble,)...blood wise yes most of us are watered down...the vast majority even before the end of slavery in cuba or brazil(the last ones to abolish it)were racially mixed.

Carribean people kept alot more of the culture and Haitians kept the most culture wise and blood wise.They are blackest in the west...

 

[Paul Hate.]

I didnt say Africans had chattel slavery like they did in the West but they had endentured servitude and it was common to take prisoners of war as "servants".Those "servants" were basically slaves since they were usually from enemy tribes.

I DID SAY THAT CERTAIN PEOPLE WERE SENT TO THE AMERICAS FOR DIPLOMATIC PURPOSES AND DID WITNESS EURO STYLE SLAVERY.So a few tribes were aware of the severity of chattle slavery.

Common sense to you this,fuck the romantic afro-centric bullshit.You see a ship bigger than life packed top to bottom with your own kind in schackles and chains and fortress being built specifically to house slaves...youre gonna know something is up..

Lets romantizcing africans,people..

 

[StillFaggyAF]

Nah.If anything black americans didnt keep shit..the least of all diasporians.

Latin people bled into the general population because most mulatoes wered freed but dont get it confused.They/We kept alot of african heritage...food,music,art,religion.(Santeria,Voodo,candomble,)...blood wise yes most of us are watered down...the vast majority even before the end of slavery in cuba or brazil(the last ones to abolish it)were racially mixed.

Carribean people kept alot more of the culture and Haitians kept the most culture wise and blood wise.They are blackest in the west...

Yeah thats what i meant (i guess my post wasn't worded correctly). like even the language has more African influenced than "ebonics". Jamaican Culture is pretty similar to West African as well (I saw that especially when I was up with the Maroons)

 

[ibedamned]

yeah, they did....on a personal note, i really feel no actual connection to Africans. We descended from them, true, but thats about all. Our culture is so much different than theres. only thing we have in common is our skin color. And dont get it twisted, ALOT of them specifically Nigerians, look down on black americans.

 

[quiet1]

'Africans sold us into slavery'

OKAY and...?

does that aileviate the atrocities we have endured for 400 plus year from Europeans???

All that needs to be said.

 

[Paul Hate.]

The French were worse than the English by a bit i think. The Dutch were pretty unsuccessful with slavery tho lol

^Again depends what time and country.You could say French trading outposts in Africa itself was leniant.They were actually PUSHED into marrying and breeding with Native women by their trade companies and goverments.Lousiana you had the creole society and Haiti was seen a hub for sugar exports(think oil of today) so they had an excess of slaves coming through haiti but they had different protocols and customs there than in other places...

Remember were talking slavery so leniancy is what?...to a slave owner...??you dig...You cud say the SPanish and Porteguese but then again they schooled division into the slaves:told the mulato he was better and that he was african..

 

[Paul Hate.]

Yeah thats what i meant (i guess my post wasn't worded correctly). like even the language has more African influenced than "ebonics". Jamaican Culture is pretty similar to West African as well (I saw that especially when I was up with the Maroons)

^yea Haitian creole supposdley has words that come directly from West African tribal languages as well a few Jamaican cultural items.Same for santeria/yoruba practices in Cuba to a small degree Puerto Rico..

You dont see shit like that in america,maybe Lousiaina at best but theyre history is totally different from the rest of the country...

 

[Huruma]

so people know how africans treated their slaves?
you been alive that long jihad?
how did they treat them?
what did they feed them since you know how every slave was treated

There's a short novel called Chisi by Gabrielle Ellison which is based on the life of an actual 19th century Zambian woman who was captured into slavery as a young girl. Every form of slavery is wrong but she was never literally considered property, she still had rights. Anyways, it makes no difference to my argument.

 

[Paul Hate.]

so people know how africans treated their slaves?

you been alive that long jihad?

how did they treat them?

what did they feed them since you know how every slave was treated

They were treated as endentured servants.Like you would a maid or cook in a third world country.They did work for people they owed money to,alot of times though they were prisoners of war from enemy tribes or flat out criminals and "lames"(nutjobs).

Another thing,once Euros started their fuckery African tribes started raiding enemy tribes for the sole purpose of selling the prisoners..soooooo...

 

[StillFaggyAF]

I take it that you aren't really my posts that carefully. I never said that white people created slavery, did I? Slavery in Africa was different than slavery in the Americas. I said I didn't think it was factual for you to act like the two were similar in any way, being that one form of slavery was more brutal and inhuman than the other. Show me proof otherwise.

My point is that chattel slavery was not something that only existed in the Americas, it occured in Africa, Asia, Europe etc.

 

[Paul Hate.]

There's a short novel called Chisi by Gabrielle Ellison which is based on the life of an actual 19th century Zambian woman who was captured into slavery as a young girl. Every form of slavery is wrong but she was never literally considered property, she still had rights. Anyways, it makes no difference to my argument.

Yes,there was differences between Roman Slavery,Arab Slavery,and European Slave trade...big differences between colonies,outposts and regions.Regardless I dont care what nobody says,how can you not notice the people you sold into "servitude" never came back???Went away on a big ship and these pale face bastards keeping coming back with more and more goods to trade for more and more people..

Nobodies that stupid and like I said after a while they were beefing for the sole purpose of selling people.Yes some tribes in the south fough back but so what?

 

[ibedamned]

They were treated as endentured servants.Like you would a maid or cook in a third world country.They did work for people they owed money to,alot of times though they were prisoners of war from enemy tribes or flat out criminals and "lames"(nutjobs).

Another thing,once Euros started their fuckery African tribes started raiding enemy tribes for the sole purpose of selling the prisoners..soooooo...[/QUOTE]

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[Paul Hate.]

yeah, they did....on a personal note, i really feel no actual connection to Africans. We descended from them, true, but thats about all. Our culture is so much different than theres. only thing we have in common is our skin color. And dont get it twisted, ALOT of them specifically Nigerians, look down on black americans.

Basically...

Man,ive come to the conclusion most people dislike black americans.

 

[ItzGravitation]

They were treated as endentured servants.Like you would a maid or cook in a third world country.They did work for people they owed money to,alot of times though they were prisoners of war from enemy tribes or flat out criminals and "lames"(nutjobs).

Another thing,once Euros started their fuckery African tribes started raiding enemy tribes for the sole purpose of selling the prisoners..soooooo...

there's no proof of that
maybe the whites learned cruelty from Africans
not saying its a fact but we cant just say whites invented whipping slaves and shit

 

[Paul Hate.]

Im not sure if this was CHATTEL slavery or something more complicated but:

"Slavery in West Africa This section needs additional citations for verification. Please help improve this article by adding citations to reliable sources. Unsourced material may be challenged and removed. (November 2011)

In Senegambia, between 1300 and 1900, close to one-third of the population was enslaved. In early Islamic states of the western Sudan, including Ghana (750–1076), Mali (1235–1645), Segou (1712–1861), and Songhai (1275–1591), about a third of the population were enslaved. In Sierra Leone in the 19th century about half of the population consisted of enslaved people. In the 19th century at least half the population was enslaved among the Duala of the Cameroon and other peoples of the lower Niger, the Kongo, and the Kasanje kingdom and Chokwe of Angola. Among the Ashanti and Yoruba a third of the population consisted of enslaved people. The population of the Kanem (1600–1800) was about a third-enslaved. It was perhaps 40% in Bornu (1580–1890). Between 1750 and 1900 from one- to two-thirds of the entire population of the Fulani jihad states consisted of enslaved people. The population of the Sokoto caliphate formed by Hausas in the northern Nigeria and Cameroon was half-enslaved in the 19th century.

When British rule was first imposed on the Sokoto Caliphate and the surrounding areas in northern Nigeria at the turn of the 20th century, approximately 2 million to 2.5 million people there were enslaved.[4] Slavery in northern Nigeria was finally outlawed in 1936

Damn.