'Africans sold us into slavery'

[Paul Hate.]

Paul,

My argument is that I don't care if a nigga is from Jamaica, Trini, Haiti, or the Poconos, I don't try to play separatism because it doesn't matter to me. I wouldn't care if you were from the Dominican Republic or from Brooklyn. I'd still acknowledge you as a brother. Not just because the world looks at us both as Black, but because I find there's more to be apart of a group than being divisive.

--Jihad

Why should you play separatism towards anybody?Why cant a white chic or an indian dude get the same treatment from you,if you really feel that way?

I dont adknowledge anybody in partciular as my brother or sister,I adknowledge everyone as a brother in the christian or human level.Not in the afrocentric way.

Blacks worldwide have a few things in common sure but there are more differences.Do I have more in common with a Jamaican then a Russian?Most likley I will..But this is where culture comes in.

Is that russian kid born and raised in america?In nyc or the boonies?What type of music does he listen too?Who does he hang out with?You see what im getting at..if the kids like me and prefers rap music,black woman,was raised on section 8 in brookylin and only hangs with ricans and dominicans I fuck around and have more in common with a russian kid from the city...

EDIT:Maybe not a russian..lol...but you get my drift..

 

[Huruma]

Thats something well never know,how many did actually classify themselves as still being "african" or from what tribe or if they even got along(ive read some instances they were still tribal).

Common sense though,they submitted after a while.How many slave revolts actually occured throughout the span of slavery?Thats tells you everything right there.I know that hurts alot of people but truth is niggas picked that cotton and cut that sugarcane and the women spread their legs..

The first slaves taken to the U.S were brought to a short lived 16th century Spanish colony in what is now South Carolina (the slaves brought to Jamestown, Virginia in 1619 were only the first slaves brought to British North America). In the midst of management problems, they rebelled and ran away. The colony failed and the settlers went back to Spain, the Africans stayed behind, some claim they sought refuge with Native Americans. Nat Turner, the Maroons, the Zanj (Blacks in Iraq) and Gabriel Prosser all rebelled against their masters. Slave rebellions might not have been as rare as you think but I'm no expert.

I doubt the first African slaves identified as 'African' prior to their experience in the U.S, which makes the 'African sold us into slavery' claim all the more skewed since the idea of a pan-African identity came about as the result of slavery and colonialism. Without non-Africans to compare themselves to, the Zulu of South Africa and the Dinka of Sudan don't have much in common.

 

[Paul Hate.]

IDK where you're from but there's def conflicts out here. And IDK if its white supremacy that made native born African-Americans tell me i'm not black, i'm Jamaican. And when a black kid can't speak proper American English, he gets demonized by American blacks

^And that all goes back to slavery and the different cultures that the offspring of those slaves came up in.

The U.S.A. blacks had severe forms of slavery and then long standing segregation.They were told they were three fiftths of a white man in the constitution of the country,they were told they were niggers and to sit at the back of the bus.But at the same time no black people in the world have it as good as blacks income wise and country development wise.This is a major reason they look down on foreigners.

West Indians had the legacy of education,british laws and customs as well as having a large leftover african influence.They are proud of their own uniqueness,blackness and nationalites at all once.They dont have that "Kill whitey" shit in their viens americans do..

Haitians have the strongest connection to africa.And they are very proud of their country and history regardless of Haiti being the asshole of the universe.

Latinos became watered down by blood,mixed up in culture and basically seperate themselves from africaness."Im mixed/Brown/mullato not black" etc..They are proud of being culture and race mix with black but dont want to be actually considered black most cases.

And Africans have their own tribal and nationalistic things going on...

Were not the same...

 

[StillFaggyAF]

Of course there are conflicts. I'm just saying that I don't let it bother me and paint broad generalizations and shit. It's possible for whatever negativity that exists to change. I think it is white supremacy that has taught us to be hostile and demeaning to each other, but that's my opinion. In my life, I've seen more positivity than negative energy.

Well good for you

 

[Paul Hate.]

The first slaves taken to the U.S were brought to a short lived 16th century Spanish colony in what is now South Carolina (the slaves brought to Jamestown, Virginia in 1619 were only the first slaves brought to British North America). In the midst of management problems, they rebelled and ran away. The colony failed and the settlers went back to Spain, the Africans stayed behind, some claim they sought refuge with Native Americans. Nat Turner, the Maroons, the Zanj (Blacks in Iraq) and Gabriel Prosser all rebelled against their masters. Slave rebellions might not have been as rare as you think but I'm no expert.

I doubt the first African slaves identified as 'African' prior to their experience in the U.S, which makes the 'African sold us into slavery' claim all the more skewed since the idea of a pan-African identity came about as the result of slavery and colonialism. Without non-Africans to compare themselves to, the Zulu of South Africa and the Dinka of Sudan don't have much in common.

How many slave revolts actually occured,how many were succesful and compare it to the entire span of slavery..?Most people just did what they had to do.

Example,in the islands alot of runaways came back because the conditions in swamps and hilltops were unbareable,the amount of women was small and there was buggery(faggotry)amongst the men.Most women simply took "one for the team" so to speak even after slavery went back as domestic workers and all the men in the houses would have their way.Especially in Brazil and Puerto Rico,thats why most blacks in L.America are not pure.

Alot of africans identify by tribe not even country much less the continet.

I dont beleive in all this pan african,afro-centric,separtism shit...its b.s. and alot its racism.Everybody has their own flags.

 

[Huruma]

How many slave revolts actually occured,how many were succesful and compare it to the entire span of slavery..?Most people just did what they had to do.

Example,in the islands alot of runaways came back because the conditions in swamps and hilltops were unbareable,the amount of women was small and there was buggery(faggotry)amongst the men.Most women simply took "one for the team" so to speak even after slavery went back as domestic workers and all the men in the houses would have their way.Especially in Brazil and Puerto Rico,thats why most blacks in L.America are not pure.

Throughout history, there have always been some people who fought against unjust systems.

Alot of africans identify by tribe not even country much less the continet.

And many Africans do identify with all Africans or all Blacks. I consider all Black Africans to be my people (whether they're Wolof, Dinka, Hadza, San, Yoruba, Bemba, Swahili, ).

I dont beleive in all this pan african,afro-centric,separtism shit...its b.s. and alot its racism.Everybody has their own flags.

Why is your ethnic 'separatism' somehow morally superior to the 'racial separatism' you think 'Afrocentrics' advocate (pan-Africanism, whoever you consider to be 'African', has nothing to do with 'separatism'). Why is 'racism' any worse than your attitude towards Africans and other non-Dominican/Cuban Blacks?

 

[garv]

^Thats a quasi racist mentality.So you feel a bond with people just by the color of their skin?

You would sit next to a foreigner in a different country,with a different language,religion and customs that are prone to disliking americans and not sit next to another american person because that foreigner was black?

ALSO:Alot of Africans themselves say the following:"Black people are from africa.Real black man is in africa" "Foreign black man is 'poomwee'" poomwee is white man.

African themselves have a fractured sense of what it is to be african..They see themselves by nationality,culture,and tribes..

Personally I do see color but culture and nationality matters more..

Not necessarily true at all, you make it seem as if you can only pick one, Africans see themselves as all of that, the same way you can identify with the city of your birth yet still call yourself an American, and a black man.

Also African culture is intertwined.

 

[garv]

How many slave revolts actually occured,how many were succesful and compare it to the entire span of slavery..?Most people just did what they had to do.

Example,in the islands alot of runaways came back because the conditions in swamps and hilltops were unbareable,the amount of women was small and there was buggery(faggotry)amongst the men.Most women simply took "one for the team" so to speak even after slavery went back as domestic workers and all the men in the houses would have their way.Especially in Brazil and Puerto Rico,thats why most blacks in L.America are not pure.

Alot of africans identify by tribe not even country much less the continet.

I dont beleive in all this pan african,afro-centric,separtism shit...its b.s. and alot its racism.Everybody has their own flags.

Words fail me.

How is Pan Africanism racism, and why exactly would you describe it as bs?

A lot of uneducated rubbish in your post.

 

[StillFaggyAF]

It seems that there"s a difference in opinion between the african-americans and caribbean ppl in this thread...hmmmmmm

 

[judahxulu]

Judah,

What is that supposed to mean? "It makes sense to resent Africans for selling *other* Africans into slavery because X Y Z". This is what I'm looking for.

I genuinely want to understand the logic behind this. And I doubt most Africans see the issue differently than Black Americans do, I represent myself, no one else. Contrary to popular belief, the overwhelming majority of Africans identify with Black Americans, at least in my personal observation and experience. Whenever I hear of an African say something like "yea, we sold them into slavery", a part of me assumes it's just a defense mechanism they use to convince themselves that they 'deserve' whatever discrimination or mistreatment they receive from Black Americans/West Indians (and I'm not denying this discrimination goes both way). If Africans had sold Black Americans/West Indians/Latinos into slavery then I could completely understand (even if disagree), but their victims were *other* Africans and obviously those African slaves didn't resent the Africans who enslaved them on the basis of their being African since they were African themselves...

Some African kings/queens fought against the slave trade, (Queen Nzinga comes to mind) and most African cultures had nothing to do with the Atlantic slave trade since most of the slaves came from the Western African coast (the exception being Mozambique where many of the slaves taken to Brazil by the Portuguese came from).

Probably, although slavery in traditional African societies was different than the chattel slavery of the West.

Africans were never unique in having slaves. Besides hunter-gatherers, I'm almost certain that every,or almost every, culture in the world has traditionally practiced slavery. The Greeks, Egyptians, Arabs, (at least some) Native Americans, (at least some) south east Asians etc. all practiced slavery. Slavery, prior to the 19th century, was like eating meat. Future generations will recognize it as barbaric but for most of us today it's just 'the natural order of things'.

lol...u cant intellectualize everything bruh. theres no x yz to feelings. resentment is a feeling. i dont feel like that but i empathize. thats like asking a chick thats been raped repeatedly to tell you how it makes sense for her to hate all men when it was specific men who raped her.

 

[bambu]

How many slave revolts actually occured,how many were succesful and compare it to the entire span of slavery..?Most people just did what they had to do.

Example,in the islands alot of runaways came back because the conditions in swamps and hilltops were unbareable,the amount of women was small and there was buggery(faggotry)amongst the men.Most women simply took "one for the team" so to speak even after slavery went back as domestic workers and all the men in the houses would have their way.Especially in Brazil and Puerto Rico,thats why most blacks in L.America are not pure.

Alot of africans identify by tribe not even country much less the continet.

I dont beleive in all this pan african,afro-centric,separtism shit...its b.s. and alot its racism.Everybody has their own flags.

Interesting thread, but I can not understand your logic... Why resent or feel that you are different from your ancestors because you were accosted and forcefully removed from your motherland?

Its like a nigga getting mad at niggas for slavery instead of white folks.... c'mon son gtfohwdbs

The fact that there were few slave revolts speaks to the power of imperialism, not the weakness or "submission" of an oppressed people. Black people disassociating themselves with their African ancestry is a lasting effect of European imperialism. You see, this European world view continues to portray Africa and people of African ancestry in a negative way. Therefore many "blacks" deny their ancestry in an attempt to distance themselves from these negative depictions. Truth is, European imperialism fucked up damn near every group of African descended people in the world. Its sad that some niggas is so brainwashed that they deny their own ancestry/history... Many of our African ancestors worshiped their ancestors and that physical connection was indeed broken during the diaspora, but the spiritual connection remains. Any group of "black" people that believes that they are somehow "better" than another has yet to break the grip of the imperialistic European control system...playing right into their hands.....Shit's pathetic... and if you believe that your genealogy begins in the 17th century, you's a stupid motherfucker

 

[Olorun22]

Interesting thread, but I can not understand your logic... Why resent or feel that you are different from your ancestors because you were accosted and forcefully removed from your motherland?

Its like a nigga getting mad at niggas for slavery instead of white folks.... c'mon son gtfohwdbs

The fact that there were few slave revolts speaks to the power of imperialism, not the weakness or "submission" of an oppressed people. Black people disassociating themselves with their African ancestry is a lasting effect of European imperialism. You see, this European world view continues to portray Africa and people of African ancestry in a negative way. Therefore many "blacks" deny their ancestry in an attempt to distance themselves from these negative depictions. Truth is, European imperialism fucked up damn near every group of African descended people in the world. Its sad that some niggas is so brainwashed that they deny their own ancestry/history... Many of our African ancestors worshiped their ancestors and that physical connection was indeed broken during the diaspora, but the spiritual connection remains. Any group of "black" people that believes that they are somehow "better" than another has yet to break the grip of the imperialistic European control system...playing right into their hands.....Shit's pathetic... and if you believe that your genealogy begins in the 17th century, you's a stupid motherfucker

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[JokerzWyld]

I don't hate Africans for "selling us into slavery". I admire most of my West African brothers because they don't acknowledge the race issue like we do here. Europeans invented this whole "White > The Rest Of The World" concept, and most of us in America try to combat it but it's nothing worth fighting. With that said, most of the people i've met from Togo, Ghana, Nigeria, etc. acknowledge the effect whites have had on the continent and culture, a commonality that we share as people of the diaspora.

Many of the people sold into slavery were raided from different tribes, however, even some African slave traders were taken from Africa by White slave traders. In fact, after Haiti's independence, the emperor (who was black) attempted to set up a slave culture on Haiti by making peasant farmers work on plantations. They tried to recreate their African lifestyle after the whites took them from their homeland.

Too many of us black people try to be divisive for no reason. We have so much in common with other cultures. Native American Islanders, Mainlanders, Australians, and Africans were effected by both slavery and colonialism. The primary reason that Whites ceased using those other indigenous peoples is due to diseases like Small Pox, Yellow Fever, Malaria, etc. that would decimate their populations in such small periods of time.

Many of us have cultural differences but the similarities are there and obvious. I'm from DC and when i hear Backyard Band playing Gogo, i hear a similar sound to Fela Kuti's songs.

 

[rip.dilla]

Interesting thread, but I can not understand your logic... Why resent or feel that you are different from your ancestors because you were accosted and forcefully removed from your motherland?

Its like a nigga getting mad at niggas for slavery instead of white folks.... c'mon son gtfohwdbs

The fact that there were few slave revolts speaks to the power of imperialism, not the weakness or "submission" of an oppressed people. Black people disassociating themselves with their African ancestry is a lasting effect of European imperialism. You see, this European world view continues to portray Africa and people of African ancestry in a negative way. Therefore many "blacks" deny their ancestry in an attempt to distance themselves from these negative depictions. Truth is, European imperialism fucked up damn near every group of African descended people in the world. Its sad that some niggas is so brainwashed that they deny their own ancestry/history... Many of our African ancestors worshiped their ancestors and that physical connection was indeed broken during the diaspora, but the spiritual connection remains. Any group of "black" people that believes that they are somehow "better" than another has yet to break the grip of the imperialistic European control system...playing right into their hands.....Shit's pathetic... and if you believe that your genealogy begins in the 17th century, you's a stupid motherfucker

Great, great post

 

[playmaker88]

So people taking what Paul hate says with more than a grain of salt in 2011...

 

[Mumo X]

Smh @ that houz negro Paul Hate.....why should i believe him when there is Malcolm X and Louis Farakhan

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