Wu Tang Or The Dungeon Family

[The Lonious Monk]

https://youtu.be/RhDZWu_MRf0?list=PLT5UpH1_0U_UAtIfr4zzcEXb72p8aFTI6
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If it wasn't for wu tang there wouldn't be a DF

Facts

Still waitin on this nigga to explain this shit.

I'm pretty sure he's saying that Wu started the whole "Rap Supergroup" movement. Before them, the closest thing you had was something like Deathrow which was a record label not a group or the Native Tongues, but they were a loose association of groups not an established group or Hip Hop family. Wu was the first group to really make that a thing and the a lot of people after that started to fly the flag of their collective. Think about it. Before Wu, Deathrow was basically Dre, Snoop, and the Crew. After Wu, they really started flying the "Deathrow" flag. Same goes for Bad Boy, Rocafella, etc... So the DF would have existed without Wu, but would they have represented themselves in the same way or would they have just been a few groups with a common origin? Who knows?

I personally think the DF would have been the DF with or without the Wu, but I can see the argument from the other side too.

 

[Louis Devinear]

https://youtu.be/RhDZWu_MRf0?list=PLT5UpH1_0U_UAtIfr4zzcEXb72p8aFTI6
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If it wasn't for wu tang there wouldn't be a DF

Facts

Still waitin on this nigga to explain this shit.

Hold on homie. Ima have to type up a thesis for this shit. Lol

 

[Stew]

https://youtu.be/RhDZWu_MRf0?list=PLT5UpH1_0U_UAtIfr4zzcEXb72p8aFTI6
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If it wasn't for wu tang there wouldn't be a DF

Facts

Still waitin on this nigga to explain this shit.

I'm pretty sure he's saying that Wu started the whole "Rap Supergroup" movement. Before them, the closest thing you had was something like Deathrow which was a record label not a group or the Native Tongues, but they were a loose association of groups not an established group or Hip Hop family. Wu was the first group to really make that a thing and the a lot of people after that started to fly the flag of their collective. Think about it. Before Wu, Deathrow was basically Dre, Snoop, and the Crew. After Wu, they really started flying the "Deathrow" flag. Same goes for Bad Boy, Rocafella, etc... So the DF would have existed without Wu, but would they have represented themselves in the same way or would they have just been a few groups with a common origin? Who knows?

I personally think the DF would have been the DF with or without the Wu, but I can see the argument from the other side too.

Doesn't make any sense considering they were already something like that at the same time. Hence the posse cuts/produced by same ppl on Southernplayalistic(released 5 months after 36 Chambers) and Soul Food. They were in their own lane just like Wu was.

 

[Peezy_Jenkins]

idk why niggas tryna say 2nd generation dont count, they were officially claimed as DF right? sorry i never heard of 2nd generation wu..

rza as a producer

 

[J.J._Evans]

Released 20 Years Ago, GZA's "Liquid Swords" Finally Goes Platinum

"Liquid Swords" just became the first Wu-Tang album in 11 years to go platinum.

It took twenty years, but GZA's magnum opus Liquid Swords has finally gone platinum. In the September edition of their monthly gold/platinum announcement flyer, the RIAA announced that the album officially crossed the threshold of one million units sold on September 15th. LS dropped on November 7, 1995.

Produced entirely by RZA, Liquid Swords is widely considered to be one of the best solo members from a Wu-Tang member, along with Raekwon's Only Built For Cuban Linx... -- also released in 1995. I guess now we're just waiting on that to go platinum too.

It is the first Wu-Tang album to go platinum since Ghostface Killah’s Ironman, in 2004.

Congrats to GZA and the rest of the Wu.

 

[5 Grand]

idk why niggas tryna say 2nd generation dont count, they were officially claimed as DF right? sorry i never heard of 2nd generation wu..

rza as a producer

 

[I Self Lord & Master]

It can go either way wit me...i listened to both extensively...we better not get into posting collections ill shut shit dine

Wutang got deeper reserves wit at least one LEGIT classic in heavy mental. Backs ups like preist , killarmy killa beez....then their back up production wit mathematics tru master 9th disciple...there not jus deep to be deep, their deep with supreme quality

N on the Flipside cool breeze n slim calhoun are wack...i have their albums

But df is so naturally diverse n has music for all moods...clubs, conscious, kids wimen, real dope ass soul....funk even some rock

N im gonna leave this gem here...all these so called df fans and i NEVER heard tgis mentioned once here...not a single yine

Check it out, u wint be dissapointed

 

[Stew]

idk why niggas tryna say 2nd generation dont count, they were officially claimed as DF right? sorry i never heard of 2nd generation wu..

rza as a producer

 

[Peezy_Jenkins]

idk why niggas tryna say 2nd generation dont count, they were officially claimed as DF right? sorry i never heard of 2nd generation wu..

rza as a producer

 

[Turfaholic]

Graaaab yo ticket

Commme get wit it

 

[I Self Lord & Master]

Ok i c society of soul was mentioned in this very thread lol

But.check em out and sleepys theme

That n ceelo takes them to a level wutang isnt on

 

[Built 4 cuban linx]

idk why niggas tryna say 2nd generation dont count, they were officially claimed as DF right? sorry i never heard of 2nd generation wu..

rza as a producer

 

[The Lonious Monk]

https://youtu.be/RhDZWu_MRf0?list=PLT5UpH1_0U_UAtIfr4zzcEXb72p8aFTI6
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If it wasn't for wu tang there wouldn't be a DF

Facts

Still waitin on this nigga to explain this shit.

I'm pretty sure he's saying that Wu started the whole "Rap Supergroup" movement. Before them, the closest thing you had was something like Deathrow which was a record label not a group or the Native Tongues, but they were a loose association of groups not an established group or Hip Hop family. Wu was the first group to really make that a thing and the a lot of people after that started to fly the flag of their collective. Think about it. Before Wu, Deathrow was basically Dre, Snoop, and the Crew. After Wu, they really started flying the "Deathrow" flag. Same goes for Bad Boy, Rocafella, etc... So the DF would have existed without Wu, but would they have represented themselves in the same way or would they have just been a few groups with a common origin? Who knows?

I personally think the DF would have been the DF with or without the Wu, but I can see the argument from the other side too.

Doesn't make any sense considering they were already something like that at the same time. Hence the posse cuts/produced by same ppl on Southernplayalistic(released 5 months after 36 Chambers) and Soul Food. They were in their own lane just like Wu was.

But they weren't like the Wu. The Wu came out as a collective first and foremost.

The Dungeon Family didn't make their crash as the Dungeon Family. Hell they didn't even make DF album until they were on the decline as a collective. Outkast dropped with cameos from the Goodie Mob. Then Goodie Mob dropped with cameos from Outkast and other DF members. And others dropped after that. That's closer to what Boot Camp Click did than to what the Wu did. And just like with the BCC, the Wu was already solidly established as a functioning collective before they even had one album like that.

 

[Stew]

https://youtu.be/RhDZWu_MRf0?list=PLT5UpH1_0U_UAtIfr4zzcEXb72p8aFTI6
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If it wasn't for wu tang there wouldn't be a DF

Facts

Still waitin on this nigga to explain this shit.

I'm pretty sure he's saying that Wu started the whole "Rap Supergroup" movement. Before them, the closest thing you had was something like Deathrow which was a record label not a group or the Native Tongues, but they were a loose association of groups not an established group or Hip Hop family. Wu was the first group to really make that a thing and the a lot of people after that started to fly the flag of their collective. Think about it. Before Wu, Deathrow was basically Dre, Snoop, and the Crew. After Wu, they really started flying the "Deathrow" flag. Same goes for Bad Boy, Rocafella, etc... So the DF would have existed without Wu, but would they have represented themselves in the same way or would they have just been a few groups with a common origin? Who knows?

I personally think the DF would have been the DF with or without the Wu, but I can see the argument from the other side too.

Doesn't make any sense considering they were already something like that at the same time. Hence the posse cuts/produced by same ppl on Southernplayalistic(released 5 months after 36 Chambers) and Soul Food. They were in their own lane just like Wu was.

But they weren't like the Wu. The Wu came out as a collective first and foremost.

The Dungeon Family didn't make their crash as the Dungeon Family. Hell they didn't even make DF album until they were on the decline as a collective. Outkast dropped with cameos from the Goodie Mob. Then Goodie Mob dropped with cameos from Outkast and other DF members. And others dropped after that. That's closer to what Boot Camp Click did than to what the Wu did. And just like with the BCC, the Wu was already solidly established as a functioning collective before they even had one album like that.

Ok outside of making an album all together how were they any different from Wu? It wasnt just Outkast and Goodie Mob on those albums bruh and again how does that translate to "without Wu Tang there wouldnt be Dungeon Family". There is no proof of this what so ever, Nobody from DF every went on record and stated this, hell Wu Tang aint any of the DF OG's influences at all.

 

[EyeofAsaru]

Ninjas really need to read that Wu tang manual book rza put out years ago

Hip hop was birthed by 5%ers via the 120 lessons of Clarence 13x

Wu tang has a deep philosophy and subliminal meaning behind the music..It was actually a doctrine or a way of life...

Anybody thinking it was just about niggas from the hood randomly rapping about kung fu really missed the point of it all..

Rza also revolutionized the way record deals were negotiated with rap artists..He had one label sign the Wu as a group and worked out deals with different labels for each individual member in the crew..In 1995 rza had loud,def jam and Geffen working together pushing the Wu brand ...

Outkast is a great group in their own right..Organized noise is a GOAT production squad..Musically,DF was rich in many styles and tone..but philosophically and lyrically Wu tang is a greater group..

Andre is nice but he's not seeing GZA lyrically

Go listen to liquid swords..This ninja was telling cinematic stories on wax..Those bars were super heavy

 

[Louis Devinear]

@stew I don't know how old you are. But you have to remember there was no group that ever did what wu tang did. 9 different members with 9 different styles. They all belonged to the 5% nation which also made their styles and music more cohesive.

When wu came out they took something so obscure like karate movies and literally made themes out of them. People from around the nation took notice. It was different it was unique.

When I say if it wasn't for wu there would be no DF. It's cause look at every one did after wu tang dropped. Everyone, I'm talking rappers knew it would be wiser to be collective instead of just being individuals. I knew about outkast before I knew about DF. I knew about goodie mob before I knew DF. You can say wu tang gave groups like outkast, goodie mob, 36 mafia, death row even though there a label, bad boy and the firm to become a collective and come under one umbrella.

Again nobody had that thought until wu tang clan showed them it could be done.

Now before you say, well DF was already together. Well why the fuck did it take so long to drop the dungeon Family album??

Why not just come out altogether and then branch off ie like the wu.

So like I sad if it wasn't for wu there wouldn't be no DF.

Peace God

 

[EyeofAsaru]

Its always gonna be a underlying competition with new Yorkers and southerners

New York is the Mecca of alot of spiritual movements and group movements for enlightenment and higher knowledge outside the conventional 3 major relegions

The south in general is more religious with their perceptions of the world..Eye live in GA,and eye can feel and sense the difference between the energies of Northern states and southern states..The people are way different,the environment is way slower and laid back..I'm automatically a Muslim to the people down here because I dont eat pork lol...

That's why Andre and big boi named their group outkast..They saw themselves as misfits to their "world","culture" or "society"..They are the the exceptions to the rule..Its really no coincidence that outkast did a song with Raekwon..You hear raekwon on the interlude to skew it on the bar b saying "We enlightened yall niggas" and big boi agreed lol...

5%ers from new York sparked this hip hop shit in its raw essence..never get it twisted

 

[EyeofAsaru]

Both DF and Wu tang are legends

They each shine in their own respective ways

 

[Stew]

@stew I don't know how old you are. But you have to remember there was no group that ever did what wu tang did. 9 different members with 9 different styles. They all belonged to the 5% nation which also made their styles and music more cohesive.

When wu came out they took something so obscure like karate movies and literally made themes out of them. People from around the nation took notice. It was different it was unique.

When I say if it wasn't for wu there would be no DF. It's cause look at every one did after wu tang dropped. Everyone, I'm talking rappers knew it would be wiser to be collective instead of just being individuals. I knew about outkast before I knew about DF. I knew about goodie mob before I knew DF. You can say wu tang gave groups like outkast, goodie mob, 36 mafia, death row even though there a label, bad boy and the firm to become a collective and come under one umbrella.

Again nobody had that thought until wu tang clan showed them it could be done.

Now before you say, well DF was already together. Well why the fuck did it take so long to drop the dungeon Family album??

Why not just come out altogether and then branch off ie like the wu.

So like I sad if it wasn't for wu there wouldn't be no DF.

Peace God

What does the bolded have to do with DF? Not talkin about D12 here lol pretty sure if DF was trying to be like Wu they would've done the same but obviously that's not what they were trying to do. Again, what does Wu-Tang have to do with Dungeon Family as a group of friends/family/aquaintainces makin music in somebody's basement have to do with one another other than them having a lot of ppl in their crew? U think Outkast was able to put out southernplayalistic 5 months after 36 Chambers cause of Wu Tang?

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Ok outside of making an album all together how were they any different from Wu? It wasnt just Outkast and Goodie Mob on those albums bruh and again how does that translate to "without Wu Tang there wouldnt be Dungeon Family". There is no proof of this what so ever, Nobody from DF every went on record and stated this, hell Wu Tang aint any of the DF OG's influences at all.

It's not just about having a couple cameos on your album. Hell, Raekwon isn't part of Mobb Deep, but he was on the Infamous, Hell on Earth, and Murda Muzik.

It's about the way they promoted themselves. Before we knew who Method Man or Raekwon or U-God was, we knew about the Wu because that's how they introduced themselves. They made a brand with a symbol and a gimmick to separate themselves from the others. And every album, whether it was a group album or a solo was linked by the brand. And it wasn't just a couple cameos on an album. Every solo album was a baby Wu album that simply had more emphasis on that one member. Again, no one act was bigger than the collective.

The Dungeon Family was never like that. Yes they jumped on each other's projects, but they didn't rep the DF brand like that until Outkast and Goodie Mob were well established. At that point, the DF was and still is seen as Outkast, Goodie Mob, and a few other guys. Hell, there are Outkast fans that don't even know what the DF is. There is no Ghostface or Rza fan that doesn't know what the Wu is.