Wu Tang Or The Dungeon Family

[Peezy_Jenkins]

@stew I don't know how old you are. But you have to remember there was no group that ever did what wu tang did. 9 different members with 9 different styles.

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When wu came out they took something so obscure like karate movies and literally made themes out of them. People from around the nation took notice. It was different it was unique.

When I say if it wasn't for wu there would be no DF. It's cause look at every one did after wu tang dropped. Everyone, I'm talking rappers knew it would be wiser to be collective instead of just being individuals. I knew about outkast before I knew about DF. I knew about goodie mob before I knew DF. You can say wu tang gave groups like outkast, goodie mob, 36 mafia, death row even though there a label, bad boy and the firm to become a collective and come under one umbrella.

Again nobody had that thought until wu tang clan showed them it could be done.

Now before you say, well DF was already together. Well why the fuck did it take so long to drop the dungeon Family album??

Why not just come out altogether and then branch off ie like the wu.

So like I sad if it wasn't for wu there wouldn't be no DF.

Peace God

stop bruh, they have nothing to do with each other. this has nothing to do with outkast or df, stretch armstrong.

you can say that shit but that dont make it true, and in the case of what u sayin it dont make it not ridiculous either.

correct me if im wrong but didnt NWA drop b4 wu-tang as a group/collective anyway?

 

[Peezy_Jenkins]

it was more than just jumping on each other's projects here and there tho, outkast and goodie mob shit was always created with organized noise or mr dj on the boards anyway, shit was created in the dungeon as a group effort

seem like some of yall are sayin outkast>wutang>dungeon fam

 

[EyeofAsaru]

To be completely honest

The only offspring of DF eye thought was nice was Outkast,Cee-lo,Cool breeze,killer mike,sleepy brown...

DF had some wack ass emcees...Wu tang had way more hotter emcees in my opinion..

DF was able to go to higher levels musically because they had a deeper musical composition in regards to their production techniques..Plus their star players knew how to harmonize catchier hooks,bridges,song melodies..

However lyrically DF isn't fucking with Wu even to this day

These niggas rhymed about science and higher levels of knowledge..Especially artists like GZA and killah priest...

 

[Peezy_Jenkins]

so the recent big boi and killer mike shit isnt good enough cuz theres no science in it?

 

[Louis Devinear]

Ok outside of making an album all together how were they any different from Wu? It wasnt just Outkast and Goodie Mob on those albums bruh and again how does that translate to "without Wu Tang there wouldnt be Dungeon Family". There is no proof of this what so ever, Nobody from DF every went on record and stated this, hell Wu Tang aint any of the DF OG's influences at all.

It's not just about having a couple cameos on your album. Hell, Raekwon isn't part of Mobb Deep, but he was on the Infamous, Hell on Earth, and Murda Muzik.

It's about the way they promoted themselves. Before we knew who Method Man or Raekwon or U-God was, we knew about the Wu because that's how they introduced themselves. They made a brand with a symbol and a gimmick to separate themselves from the others. And every album, whether it was a group album or a solo was linked by the brand. And it wasn't just a couple cameos on an album. Every solo album was a baby Wu album that simply had more emphasis on that one member. Again, no one act was bigger than the collective.

The Dungeon Family was never like that. Yes they jumped on each other's projects, but they didn't rep the DF brand like that until Outkast and Goodie Mob were well established. At that point, the DF was and still is seen as Outkast, Goodie Mob, and a few other guys. Hell, there are Outkast fans that don't even know what the DF is. There is no Ghostface or Rza fan that doesn't know what the Wu is.

You get it my brother. I may not agree with everything you say on this forum but I agree with everything you said.

@Peezy_Jenkins I'm not going back & forth with you today. If you can't see how wu influence spread through the United States that's on you.

@stew the bold was me summarizing how the wu enlightened people from all over the south to the west. When they traveled they were took mathematics with them and converted a lot of people to the 5% nation. That's why groups like outkast and goodie mob used to fuck with them so hard.

Keep it a buck I bet when you down south niggas seen this video y'all didn't even really know the science behind it.

Goodie mob cell therapy


They got this idea not from watching the wu but from listening to the wu. And on some real shit if wasn't apart of the nation of gods & earths then a lot of wu tang music went over your head.

Peace to the number 7 everybody else eat a 4,9,3,11

Do the knowledge

Peace God

 

[EyeofAsaru]

idk why niggas tryna say 2nd generation dont count, they were officially claimed as DF right? sorry i never heard of 2nd generation wu..

rza as a producer

 

[Peezy_Jenkins]

idk why niggas tryna say 2nd generation dont count, they were officially claimed as DF right? sorry i never heard of 2nd generation wu..

rza as a producer

 

[Peezy_Jenkins]

Ok outside of making an album all together how were they any different from Wu? It wasnt just Outkast and Goodie Mob on those albums bruh and again how does that translate to "without Wu Tang there wouldnt be Dungeon Family". There is no proof of this what so ever, Nobody from DF every went on record and stated this, hell Wu Tang aint any of the DF OG's influences at all.

It's not just about having a couple cameos on your album. Hell, Raekwon isn't part of Mobb Deep, but he was on the Infamous, Hell on Earth, and Murda Muzik.

It's about the way they promoted themselves. Before we knew who Method Man or Raekwon or U-God was, we knew about the Wu because that's how they introduced themselves. They made a brand with a symbol and a gimmick to separate themselves from the others. And every album, whether it was a group album or a solo was linked by the brand. And it wasn't just a couple cameos on an album. Every solo album was a baby Wu album that simply had more emphasis on that one member. Again, no one act was bigger than the collective.

The Dungeon Family was never like that. Yes they jumped on each other's projects, but they didn't rep the DF brand like that until Outkast and Goodie Mob were well established. At that point, the DF was and still is seen as Outkast, Goodie Mob, and a few other guys. Hell, there are Outkast fans that don't even know what the DF is. There is no Ghostface or Rza fan that doesn't know what the Wu is.

You get it my brother. I may not agree with everything you say on this forum but I agree with everything you said.

@Peezy_Jenkins I'm not going back & forth with you today. If you can't see how wu influence spread through the United States that's on you.

@stew the bold was me summarizing how the wu enlightened people from all over the south to the west. When they traveled they were took mathematics with them and converted a lot of people to the 5% nation. That's why groups like outkast and goodie mob used to fuck with them so hard.

Keep it a buck I bet when you down south niggas seen this video y'all didn't even really know the science behind it.

Goodie mob cell therapy


They got this idea not from watching the wu but from listening to the wu. And on some real shit if wasn't apart of the nation of gods & earths then a lot of wu tang music went over your head.

Peace to the number 7 everybody else eat a 4,9,3,11

Do the knowledge

Peace God

im not sayin they didnt have an influence, im sayin it wasnt directly on the groups u named in the ways u said, thats ridiculous. fuck all that other shit u talm bout.

 

[Louis Devinear]

Ok outside of making an album all together how were they any different from Wu? It wasnt just Outkast and Goodie Mob on those albums bruh and again how does that translate to "without Wu Tang there wouldnt be Dungeon Family". There is no proof of this what so ever, Nobody from DF every went on record and stated this, hell Wu Tang aint any of the DF OG's influences at all.

It's not just about having a couple cameos on your album. Hell, Raekwon isn't part of Mobb Deep, but he was on the Infamous, Hell on Earth, and Murda Muzik.

It's about the way they promoted themselves. Before we knew who Method Man or Raekwon or U-God was, we knew about the Wu because that's how they introduced themselves. They made a brand with a symbol and a gimmick to separate themselves from the others. And every album, whether it was a group album or a solo was linked by the brand. And it wasn't just a couple cameos on an album. Every solo album was a baby Wu album that simply had more emphasis on that one member. Again, no one act was bigger than the collective.

The Dungeon Family was never like that. Yes they jumped on each other's projects, but they didn't rep the DF brand like that until Outkast and Goodie Mob were well established. At that point, the DF was and still is seen as Outkast, Goodie Mob, and a few other guys. Hell, there are Outkast fans that don't even know what the DF is. There is no Ghostface or Rza fan that doesn't know what the Wu is.

You get it my brother. I may not agree with everything you say on this forum but I agree with everything you said.

@Peezy_Jenkins I'm not going back & forth with you today. If you can't see how wu influence spread through the United States that's on you.

@stew the bold was me summarizing how the wu enlightened people from all over the south to the west. When they traveled they were took mathematics with them and converted a lot of people to the 5% nation. That's why groups like outkast and goodie mob used to fuck with them so hard.

Keep it a buck I bet when you down south niggas seen this video y'all didn't even really know the science behind it.

Goodie mob cell therapy


They got this idea not from watching the wu but from listening to the wu. And on some real shit if wasn't apart of the nation of gods & earths then a lot of wu tang music went over your head.

Peace to the number 7 everybody else eat a 4,9,3,11

Do the knowledge

Peace God

im not sayin they didnt have an influence, im sayin it wasnt directly on the groups u named in the ways u said, thats ridiculous. fuck all that other shit u talm bout.

Look fam, you a 85er. You can't be reasoned with.

 

[EyeofAsaru]

so the recent big boi and killer mike shit isnt good enough cuz theres no science in it?

Eye love both of them dudes recent projects but still not seeing Wu lol

Ninjas just gonna have to give up the props..

Call them outdated, mumbo jumbo spitting ,cryptic,dusty whatever etc

Wu tang was a universal force to be reckoned with..they influence people to this very day...

Watch the movie 36 chambers...Really get the life meaning behind it..and you'll overstand why Wu is special

 

[EyeofAsaru]

Outkast bit the alter ego/name slang from Wu tang,bruh

Each member of Wu tang had like five aliases

Ghostface is ironman,pretty Toney

Raekwon was lex diamonds,the chef

Method man was Johnny blaze,ghost rider

And so on and so on

Each Wu members album represented a "chamber" ..RZA said he wanted 36 albums to symbolically complete the "36 chambers" of the wu..In the movie 36 chambers each chamber was a test a monk had to pass before he could be considered a master..Some chambers dealt with the physical and some with the spiritual

Andre and big boi wasnt calling themselves daddy fat sax and 3000k on the first album like that..

 

[Peezy_Jenkins]

Ok outside of making an album all together how were they any different from Wu? It wasnt just Outkast and Goodie Mob on those albums bruh and again how does that translate to "without Wu Tang there wouldnt be Dungeon Family". There is no proof of this what so ever, Nobody from DF every went on record and stated this, hell Wu Tang aint any of the DF OG's influences at all.

It's not just about having a couple cameos on your album. Hell, Raekwon isn't part of Mobb Deep, but he was on the Infamous, Hell on Earth, and Murda Muzik.

It's about the way they promoted themselves. Before we knew who Method Man or Raekwon or U-God was, we knew about the Wu because that's how they introduced themselves. They made a brand with a symbol and a gimmick to separate themselves from the others. And every album, whether it was a group album or a solo was linked by the brand. And it wasn't just a couple cameos on an album. Every solo album was a baby Wu album that simply had more emphasis on that one member. Again, no one act was bigger than the collective.

The Dungeon Family was never like that. Yes they jumped on each other's projects, but they didn't rep the DF brand like that until Outkast and Goodie Mob were well established. At that point, the DF was and still is seen as Outkast, Goodie Mob, and a few other guys. Hell, there are Outkast fans that don't even know what the DF is. There is no Ghostface or Rza fan that doesn't know what the Wu is.

You get it my brother. I may not agree with everything you say on this forum but I agree with everything you said.

@Peezy_Jenkins I'm not going back & forth with you today. If you can't see how wu influence spread through the United States that's on you.

@stew the bold was me summarizing how the wu enlightened people from all over the south to the west. When they traveled they were took mathematics with them and converted a lot of people to the 5% nation. That's why groups like outkast and goodie mob used to fuck with them so hard.

Keep it a buck I bet when you down south niggas seen this video y'all didn't even really know the science behind it.

Goodie mob cell therapy


They got this idea not from watching the wu but from listening to the wu. And on some real shit if wasn't apart of the nation of gods & earths then a lot of wu tang music went over your head.

Peace to the number 7 everybody else eat a 4,9,3,11

Do the knowledge

Peace God

im not sayin they didnt have an influence, im sayin it wasnt directly on the groups u named in the ways u said, thats ridiculous. fuck all that other shit u talm bout.

Look fam, you a 85er. You can't be reasoned with.

Ok outside of making an album all together how were they any different from Wu? It wasnt just Outkast and Goodie Mob on those albums bruh and again how does that translate to "without Wu Tang there wouldnt be Dungeon Family". There is no proof of this what so ever, Nobody from DF every went on record and stated this, hell Wu Tang aint any of the DF OG's influences at all.

It's not just about having a couple cameos on your album. Hell, Raekwon isn't part of Mobb Deep, but he was on the Infamous, Hell on Earth, and Murda Muzik.

It's about the way they promoted themselves. Before we knew who Method Man or Raekwon or U-God was, we knew about the Wu because that's how they introduced themselves. They made a brand with a symbol and a gimmick to separate themselves from the others. And every album, whether it was a group album or a solo was linked by the brand. And it wasn't just a couple cameos on an album. Every solo album was a baby Wu album that simply had more emphasis on that one member. Again, no one act was bigger than the collective.

The Dungeon Family was never like that. Yes they jumped on each other's projects, but they didn't rep the DF brand like that until Outkast and Goodie Mob were well established. At that point, the DF was and still is seen as Outkast, Goodie Mob, and a few other guys. Hell, there are Outkast fans that don't even know what the DF is. There is no Ghostface or Rza fan that doesn't know what the Wu is.

You get it my brother. I may not agree with everything you say on this forum but I agree with everything you said.

@Peezy_Jenkins I'm not going back & forth with you today. If you can't see how wu influence spread through the United States that's on you.

@stew the bold was me summarizing how the wu enlightened people from all over the south to the west. When they traveled they were took mathematics with them and converted a lot of people to the 5% nation. That's why groups like outkast and goodie mob used to fuck with them so hard.

Keep it a buck I bet when you down south niggas seen this video y'all didn't even really know the science behind it.

Goodie mob cell therapy


They got this idea not from watching the wu but from listening to the wu. And on some real shit if wasn't apart of the nation of gods & earths then a lot of wu tang music went over your head.

Peace to the number 7 everybody else eat a 4,9,3,11

Do the knowledge

Peace God

fuck all that other shit u talm bout.

 

[Peezy_Jenkins]

now every nigga with an alias is biting wu tang??

man just lock this thread, DF lost the poll and these niggas gon say silly shit all night.

 

[5 Grand]

Wu Tang doesn't have anything as atrocious as Hey Ya

Hey Ya - Outkast

 

[Peezy_Jenkins]

Wu Tang doesn't have anything as atrocious as Hey Ya

Hey Ya - Outkast

i remember hearing a cappadonna song in 1998 that made me hate rap music

 

[EyeofAsaru]

Eye didn't say every nigga..eye said OUTKAST you bitch ass nigga..Dont twist my words

Outkast was influenced by Wu tang..like it or not..Otherwise why would you do a song with somebody who doesn't influence you?Twice at that!

You pro south ..eye see that..but the New York Gods will NEVER be faded..No matter how much you southern niggas try to sweep the facts under the rug...What Wu symbolically represents can never be negated because its rooted in mysticism and science

DF cant spit like Wu ...Even their slang is more artistic and abstract.. Name a DF song more profound than "B.I.B.L.E" by killah priest...ill wait

 

[5 Grand]

Yeah but Killah Priest isn't a member of Wu Tang.

Pick another song

 

[supergangster]

When I think about I dont really rank any wu rapper in my top 5 but the funniest shit about this they are in my top 3 album list, top 3 producer list, top 5 verses list.

My favorite albums

1.Illmatic

2.The Infamous

3.ONLY BUILT FOR CUBAN LINX

Top 5 person favorite rap verses no order

1. Nas Strong will continue( at this moment )

2. Raekwon Rainy Dayz (maybe no people rank it high but its one of my favorites

3. Inspectah Deck - Heavens Sake (killed dat shit)

4. Mos Def - Thieves in the night

5. Nas - one love

Top 3 producers

1.Havoc

2.RZA

3.Dr Dre

 

[Louis Devinear]

Eye didn't say every nigga..eye said OUTKAST you bitch ass nigga..Dont twist my words

Outkast was influenced by Wu tang..like it or not..Otherwise why would you do a song with somebody who doesn't influence you?Twice at that!

You pro south ..eye see that..but the New York Gods will NEVER be faded..No matter how much you southern niggas try to sweep the facts under the rug...What Wu symbolically represents can never be negated because its rooted in mysticism and science

DF cant spit like Wu ...Even their slang is more artistic and abstract.. Name a DF song more profound than "B.I.B.L.E" by killah priest...ill wait

A alike b alike c alike unalike repel

Basic instructions before leaving earth

Knowledge this wisdom this goes back when I was 12 loved doing right but I was trapped in hell.

Powerful.

Like I said if you wasn't dealing with high science then wu tang music went way over your head.

B. I. B. L. E

 

[Stew]

How the fuck niggas come out 5 months apart but influenced by them? There ain't shit that says NYC/Wu Tang about Southernplayalistic.