who's owed more? natives for stolen land or blacks for forced free labor?

[ineedpussy]

but the reason they got the africans was because they didnt know the lay of the land. them indians was outta here. thats like a pimp stealing a bitch from russia and putting her in new york. wtf she gone do? who she gone call? where she gone get bread? nigga please. like ghost said earlier if them natives....aw fuck it you get the point

 

[konceptjones]

but the reason they got the africans was because they didnt know the lay of the land. them indians was outta here. thats like a pimp stealing a bitch from russia and putting her in new york. wtf she gone do? who she gone call? where she gone get bread? nigga please. like ghost said earlier if them natives....aw fuck it you get the point

That's one of the "myths" about Native enslavement I was speaking about earlier. Natives used as slaves were typically shipped to parts of the country that they weren't familiar with. i.e. Natives from FL being shipped to the Carolinas.

Up to the mid 1700, there were more Natives being used as slaves than Africans in this country alone. For the 50 years leading up to 1720 more Natives were being moved through the port at Charleston, SC than Africans were coming in, and Charleston was one of the biggest ports for bringing in Africans. The reason whitey started relying more on Africans than Natives was largely because they were running out of Natives to enslave. They had raided Florida and Mississippi so badly that the native population was a small fraction of what it once was. They started bringing them in from other parts of the country but eventually lost allies to conduct the raids to capture Natives for slavery. While Native enslavement died out in the original 13 states later in the 1700's, it was thriving from Louisiana to California well into the 1800's.

 

[JokerzWyld]

This layout is shitty

 

[blackgod813]

So native americans went thru chattel slavery as long as black people.ok..ok dont reservations govern themselves own laws an all

 

[konceptjones]

So native americans went thru chattel slavery as long as black people.ok..ok dont reservations govern themselves own laws an all

To a degree. They're still beholden to the Bureau of Indian Affairs and, should the US government decide to take the land or do whatever they want with it can do just that (i.e. Standing Rock). In fact, Standing Rock shows how that sovereignty is an illusion. Let the Natives take up arms to drive out the oil company and see how fast the Army and National Guard swoop in there.

 

[2stepz_ahead]

So native americans went thru chattel slavery as long as black people.ok..ok dont reservations govern themselves own laws an all

To a degree. They're still beholden to the Bureau of Indian Affairs and, should the US government decide to take the land or do whatever they want with it can do just that (i.e. Standing Rock). In fact, Standing Rock shows how that sovereignty is an illusion. Let the Natives take up arms to drive out the oil company and see how fast the Army and National Guard swoop in there.

they ran up on the ingins for not paying tax on cigarettes.

but to an earlier point of yours...

my grandfather hated white people because of what he had to deal with....but then my dad hated the natives cuz of how he was treated.

 

[mc317]

Indians had good negotiaters for their reservations, casinos, free college etc...

Niggaz negotiated for rights to eat with crackers, front seat bus rights, etc.. niggaz think small fuck all that shit give me an 800 credit score, 40 acres and a jackass

 

[dwade206]

You do realize Blacks were here first right? So both scenarios apply to Black people. Ask Claud Anderson.

 

[2stepz_ahead]

so no talk about the cost of the regentrification of Manhattan or the employee compensation of the slaves?

 

[LUClEN]

Free Black men in what is now Nova Scotia (Canada) had Native slaves. Some of you guys are neglecting the fact that for a long time, in New France in particular, Panis slaves were more common.

 

[anduin]

one lost during conquest while somehow getting enough mercy that they weren't totally wiped out while the other group was kidnapped and exploited for generations. Not even close in my eyes.

 

[blackgod813]

Blacks since we look the most different on earth we are hated we are the other ..plus they trained us in cruelty..

 

[LUClEN]

one lost during conquest while somehow getting enough mercy that they weren't totally wiped out while the other group was kidnapped and exploited for generations. Not even close in my eyes.

How didn't africa lose in conquest? The entire continent was colonized except for Ethiopia (which many say is debatable because Italy)

 

[The Lonious Monk]

one lost during conquest while somehow getting enough mercy that they weren't totally wiped out while the other group was kidnapped and exploited for generations. Not even close in my eyes.

How didn't africa lose in conquest? The entire continent was colonized except for Ethiopia (which many say is debatable because Italy)

That's a different issue though. The question isn't "Who got it worse? Native Americans or Africans." It's who is owed more between Native Americans and African Americans.

 

[Lefty_]

It has to be us. Let's just call it 100 slaves per plantation working 12 hour days at minimum wage for 30+ years. You don't have to pay that labor, but you make 100% on the sales. And all you had to do was pay a one time fee for a potential Life long laborer, that more than likely would produce more laborers. Land has a somewhat fixed price. If you add up all those hours that should have been paid, we would probably out spend the natives by a good margin.

That's just off the top of my head and that's without inflation.

 

[TheGOAT]

Stupid thread btw

 

[2stepz_ahead]

It has to be us. Let's just call it 100 slaves per plantation working 12 hour days at minimum wage for 30+ years. You don't have to pay that labor, but you make 100% on the sales. And all you had to do was pay a one time fee for a potential Life long laborer, that more than likely would produce more laborers. Land has a somewhat fixed price. If you add up all those hours that should have been paid, we would probably out spend the natives by a good margin.

That's just off the top of my head and that's without inflation.

about damn time someone gets it.

100 people...lets say 50 men and 50 women....so, 50 couples. they reproduce, they each have 2-3 kids.

that 100 just jumped to like 250..

repeat in like 15 years....sell off a few here and there.

that is nothing but profit

 

[JoshuaMoshua]

Lol oppression olympics

 

[The Lonious Monk]

It has to be us. Let's just call it 100 slaves per plantation working 12 hour days at minimum wage for 30+ years. You don't have to pay that labor, but you make 100% on the sales. And all you had to do was pay a one time fee for a potential Life long laborer, that more than likely would produce more laborers. Land has a somewhat fixed price. If you add up all those hours that should have been paid, we would probably out spend the natives by a good margin.

That's just off the top of my head and that's without inflation.

about damn time someone gets it.

100 people...lets say 50 men and 50 women....so, 50 couples. they reproduce, they each have 2-3 kids.

that 100 just jumped to like 250..

repeat in like 15 years....sell off a few here and there.

that is nothing but profit

Nobody is asking who the white man benefitted from most. The question is who is owed more.

We blacks tend to think that we're on the bottom of the pile in America. That in itself is a testament to how bad the Natives have it. They are below us in pretty much every area. Hell, one of the hot button topics these days is police brutality. Natives experience that at a significantly higher level than we do, but no one talks about it. Think about that for a second. They have it so bad the no one even cares about how bad they have it. Now consider this was once their land.

 

[LUClEN]

one lost during conquest while somehow getting enough mercy that they weren't totally wiped out while the other group was kidnapped and exploited for generations. Not even close in my eyes.

How didn't africa lose in conquest? The entire continent was colonized except for Ethiopia (which many say is debatable because Italy)

That's a different issue though. The question isn't "Who got it worse? Native Americans or Africans." It's who is owed more between Native Americans and African Americans.

It's not a different issue if he's trying to say that conquest is what makes the subjugation of the native Americans less deplorable. Both Africa and the Americas are products of conquest, so he's trying to make a distinction that doesn't seem to really exist how he presents it.