who's owed more? natives for stolen land or blacks for forced free labor?

[D. Morgan]

why would you compare historical genocides ? thats silly

is it really?

I guess you skipped Jew class.

they bring the shit up over anything..

but niggas must keep silent?

not even a discussion?

*in trump voice*

sad

Its silly from them (jews) and its silly from you

you get nowhere by comparing tragedies. You can make a strong intelligent argument on what kind of reparations should or would African Americans receive without talking about other minority groups, its weak and counter productive.

silly?

unlike you. I can turn a "silly " discussion into a learning experience.

you debating me about a question that can spark debate and lead elsewhere without thinking of a bigger picture is counter productive.

even taking it smaller...

why can't a simple question be asked without a high horse nigga coming in?

why does this question bother you?

why didn't you just ignore it?

who's comparing tragedies? I said what was owed from what was stolen for free.

Jews still want money from Nazis from what was stolen, am I right?

so, what's your point again?

you ain't funny nigga...stop bringing uo old shit...

it's about this nigga...

I ain't trying to be funny. Just pointing the FACT that its crazy as shit for you to question that nigga on same shit that you do all the fucking time all over this whole forum.

so you critiquing my posting style?

get off your high horse nigga

LOL literally!!!!

 

[5th Letter]

Indians been getting reparations for years, black people have yet to receive anything..

No we haven't. Plain and simple. Add to that we're being systematically killed off through those "resources" you're talking about.
https://www.courthousenews.com/tribe-sues-for-exposure-event-at-hospital/

^^^ This happened at my reservation. This wasn't the first "exposure event" and the IHS is riddled with similar complaints about their practices. Intentionally infecting Natives with everything from HIV to Tuberculosis at "free clinics" ain't exactly getting reparations, and it is definitely intentional.

Aside from that, nearly every dollar we have received from the government was fought for because of broken agreements between tribes and the US government (i.e. the recent $1B land settlement that no one in my family except my Grandmother got money from).

Nah bruh, try again.

Did native Americans receive reparations. Yes or No? It's unfortunate what has happened to your people but y'all have received resources in the past and continue to do so. You're arguing a point that I wasn't even making.

 

[Colin$mackabi$h]

Freepost.

 

[ghostdog56]

If the natives would stay off the firewater they might be in a better position

 

[2stepz_ahead]

If the natives would stay off the firewater they might be in a better position

i think they might have a right to be depressed

 

[konceptjones]

Indians been getting reparations for years, black people have yet to receive anything..

No we haven't. Plain and simple. Add to that we're being systematically killed off through those "resources" you're talking about.
https://www.courthousenews.com/tribe-sues-for-exposure-event-at-hospital/

^^^ This happened at my reservation. This wasn't the first "exposure event" and the IHS is riddled with similar complaints about their practices. Intentionally infecting Natives with everything from HIV to Tuberculosis at "free clinics" ain't exactly getting reparations, and it is definitely intentional.

Aside from that, nearly every dollar we have received from the government was fought for because of broken agreements between tribes and the US government (i.e. the recent $1B land settlement that no one in my family except my Grandmother got money from).

Nah bruh, try again.

Did native Americans receive reparations. Yes or No? It's unfortunate what has happened to your people but y'all have received resources in the past and continue to do so. You're arguing a point that I wasn't even making.

No. Plain and simple. There have been no reparations paid. The only people I can think of that have received money from the government due to their treatment was the Japanese for being put into concentration camps. In 1988, Ronald Regan signed a bill that authorized the payment of $20K to every living survivor. They're the only people I can think of that got money.

 

[5th Letter]

Indians been getting reparations for years, black people have yet to receive anything..

No we haven't. Plain and simple. Add to that we're being systematically killed off through those "resources" you're talking about.
https://www.courthousenews.com/tribe-sues-for-exposure-event-at-hospital/

^^^ This happened at my reservation. This wasn't the first "exposure event" and the IHS is riddled with similar complaints about their practices. Intentionally infecting Natives with everything from HIV to Tuberculosis at "free clinics" ain't exactly getting reparations, and it is definitely intentional.

Aside from that, nearly every dollar we have received from the government was fought for because of broken agreements between tribes and the US government (i.e. the recent $1B land settlement that no one in my family except my Grandmother got money from).

Nah bruh, try again.

Did native Americans receive reparations. Yes or No? It's unfortunate what has happened to your people but y'all have received resources in the past and continue to do so. You're arguing a point that I wasn't even making.

No. Plain and simple. There have been no reparations paid. The only people I can think of that have received money from the government due to their treatment was the Japanese for being put into concentration camps. In 1988, Ronald Regan signed a bill that authorized the payment of $20K to every living survivor. They're the only people I can think of that got money.

"The experience of American Indians in obtaining reparations from the federal government should interest those who seek similar actions with respect to Black Americans. American Indians have received three types of reparations: (1) cash payments, through the operation of the Indian Claims Commission and the U.S. Court of Claims; (2) land, through an occasional action of Congress to return control over land to particular tribes; and (3) tribal recognition, by either Congress or the Bureau of Indian Affairs. The first of these has been the least satisfactory, measured by long-term impact on Indian communities. The second was more satisfactory, but has been experienced by very few tribes. The third, which is in process now, has had the best results."

 

[5th Letter]

I'm not saying that it's been great for y'all or that it's satisfactory. But native Americans have received reparations and resources. More than black people can say.

 

[konceptjones]

Indians been getting reparations for years, black people have yet to receive anything..

No we haven't. Plain and simple. Add to that we're being systematically killed off through those "resources" you're talking about.
https://www.courthousenews.com/tribe-sues-for-exposure-event-at-hospital/

^^^ This happened at my reservation. This wasn't the first "exposure event" and the IHS is riddled with similar complaints about their practices. Intentionally infecting Natives with everything from HIV to Tuberculosis at "free clinics" ain't exactly getting reparations, and it is definitely intentional.

Aside from that, nearly every dollar we have received from the government was fought for because of broken agreements between tribes and the US government (i.e. the recent $1B land settlement that no one in my family except my Grandmother got money from).

Nah bruh, try again.

Did native Americans receive reparations. Yes or No? It's unfortunate what has happened to your people but y'all have received resources in the past and continue to do so. You're arguing a point that I wasn't even making.

No. Plain and simple. There have been no reparations paid. The only people I can think of that have received money from the government due to their treatment was the Japanese for being put into concentration camps. In 1988, Ronald Regan signed a bill that authorized the payment of $20K to every living survivor. They're the only people I can think of that got money.

"The experience of American Indians in obtaining reparations from the federal government should interest those who seek similar actions with respect to Black Americans. American Indians have received three types of reparations: (1) cash payments, through the operation of the Indian Claims Commission and the U.S. Court of Claims; (2) land, through an occasional action of Congress to return control over land to particular tribes; and (3) tribal recognition, by either Congress or the Bureau of Indian Affairs. The first of these has been the least satisfactory, measured by long-term impact on Indian communities. The second was more satisfactory, but has been experienced by very few tribes. The third, which is in process now, has had the best results."

you took the first thing you got from google... Did you even read that shit?

1. The Indian Claims Commission only served to settle claims of money owed to individual tribes for whatever agreement was broken between a given tribe and the US Government. This is not reparations.

2. The land was ours in the first place. Getting something back that belonged to you isn't reparations, it's justice.

3. Being recognized as a tribe in the first place isn't reparations in even the slightest.

Try again.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/post...0/why-native-americans-dont-want-reparations/

 

[5th Letter]

Indians been getting reparations for years, black people have yet to receive anything..

No we haven't. Plain and simple. Add to that we're being systematically killed off through those "resources" you're talking about.
https://www.courthousenews.com/tribe-sues-for-exposure-event-at-hospital/

^^^ This happened at my reservation. This wasn't the first "exposure event" and the IHS is riddled with similar complaints about their practices. Intentionally infecting Natives with everything from HIV to Tuberculosis at "free clinics" ain't exactly getting reparations, and it is definitely intentional.

Aside from that, nearly every dollar we have received from the government was fought for because of broken agreements between tribes and the US government (i.e. the recent $1B land settlement that no one in my family except my Grandmother got money from).

Nah bruh, try again.

Did native Americans receive reparations. Yes or No? It's unfortunate what has happened to your people but y'all have received resources in the past and continue to do so. You're arguing a point that I wasn't even making.

No. Plain and simple. There have been no reparations paid. The only people I can think of that have received money from the government due to their treatment was the Japanese for being put into concentration camps. In 1988, Ronald Regan signed a bill that authorized the payment of $20K to every living survivor. They're the only people I can think of that got money.

"The experience of American Indians in obtaining reparations from the federal government should interest those who seek similar actions with respect to Black Americans. American Indians have received three types of reparations: (1) cash payments, through the operation of the Indian Claims Commission and the U.S. Court of Claims; (2) land, through an occasional action of Congress to return control over land to particular tribes; and (3) tribal recognition, by either Congress or the Bureau of Indian Affairs. The first of these has been the least satisfactory, measured by long-term impact on Indian communities. The second was more satisfactory, but has been experienced by very few tribes. The third, which is in process now, has had the best results."

you took the first thing you got from google... Did you even read that shit?

1. The Indian Claims Commission only served to settle claims of money owed to individual tribes for whatever agreement was broken between a given tribe and the US Government. This is not reparations.

2. The land was ours in the first place. Getting something back that belonged to you isn't reparations, it's justice.

3. Being recognized as a tribe in the first place isn't reparations in even the slightest.

Try again.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/post...0/why-native-americans-dont-want-reparations/

U.S. finalizes $3.4 billion settlement with American Indians
http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/26/politics/american-indian-settlment/

U.S. Government To Pay $492 Million To 17 American Indian Tribes
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...-pay-492-million-to-17-american-indian-tribes

These look like pay outs to me.

 

[konceptjones]

Indians been getting reparations for years, black people have yet to receive anything..

No we haven't. Plain and simple. Add to that we're being systematically killed off through those "resources" you're talking about.
https://www.courthousenews.com/tribe-sues-for-exposure-event-at-hospital/

^^^ This happened at my reservation. This wasn't the first "exposure event" and the IHS is riddled with similar complaints about their practices. Intentionally infecting Natives with everything from HIV to Tuberculosis at "free clinics" ain't exactly getting reparations, and it is definitely intentional.

Aside from that, nearly every dollar we have received from the government was fought for because of broken agreements between tribes and the US government (i.e. the recent $1B land settlement that no one in my family except my Grandmother got money from).

Nah bruh, try again.

Did native Americans receive reparations. Yes or No? It's unfortunate what has happened to your people but y'all have received resources in the past and continue to do so. You're arguing a point that I wasn't even making.

No. Plain and simple. There have been no reparations paid. The only people I can think of that have received money from the government due to their treatment was the Japanese for being put into concentration camps. In 1988, Ronald Regan signed a bill that authorized the payment of $20K to every living survivor. They're the only people I can think of that got money.

"The experience of American Indians in obtaining reparations from the federal government should interest those who seek similar actions with respect to Black Americans. American Indians have received three types of reparations: (1) cash payments, through the operation of the Indian Claims Commission and the U.S. Court of Claims; (2) land, through an occasional action of Congress to return control over land to particular tribes; and (3) tribal recognition, by either Congress or the Bureau of Indian Affairs. The first of these has been the least satisfactory, measured by long-term impact on Indian communities. The second was more satisfactory, but has been experienced by very few tribes. The third, which is in process now, has had the best results."

you took the first thing you got from google... Did you even read that shit?

1. The Indian Claims Commission only served to settle claims of money owed to individual tribes for whatever agreement was broken between a given tribe and the US Government. This is not reparations.

2. The land was ours in the first place. Getting something back that belonged to you isn't reparations, it's justice.

3. Being recognized as a tribe in the first place isn't reparations in even the slightest.

Try again.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/post...0/why-native-americans-dont-want-reparations/

U.S. finalizes $3.4 billion settlement with American Indians
http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/26/politics/american-indian-settlment/

U.S. Government To Pay $492 Million To 17 American Indian Tribes
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...-pay-492-million-to-17-american-indian-tribes

These look like pay outs to me.

Are you even trying???!!!

The first one is a direct result of a class action lawsuit against the U.S. Department of the Interior over their mismanagement of tribal lands. The payout doesn't go to all of us either; only those of us that own land that was being managed by the DoI. To use my family as an example, only my grandmother received money because she's the only one that owns land on the reservation. We all applied for it, but because none of us owned tribal land we didn't get shit.

Did you even read the 2nd one???

The U.S. government has agreed to pay a total of $492 million to 17 American Indian tribes for mismanaging natural resources and other tribal assets, according to an attorney who filed most of the suits.

^^^ That's the first fuckin sentence in the article. The government was SUED because it mismanaged the resources for 17 tribes.

Seven-teen

Lawsuits ain't reparations; just stop trying.

 

[konceptjones]

@ghostdog56 and @"5th Letter" since y'all like playing word games and act like you don't understand shit, according to this article, using your own logic of a small number of people getting "reparations", Black folks got reparations already...
http://articles.latimes.com/1995-02-12/news/mn-30965_1_racist-mob

At last, the state allocates $2 million in reparations.

'cause, according to you @"5th Letter" , money that has gone to a handful of people means reparations were paid out to everyone...

If you don't see how ridiculous your arguments have been up to now, I don't know what to say. Trying to point to a few people that got money and saying "Natives got reparations... look, this 17 tribes out of 566 recognized by the federal government got money from a lawsuit" is about as stupid as trying to say that all Black folks in this country got reparations because less than 20 Black families got money from a lawsuit filed for the survivors of Rosewood.

 

[5th Letter]

@ghostdog56 and @"5th Letter" since y'all like playing word games and act like you don't understand shit, according to this article, using your own logic of a small number of people getting "reparations", Black folks got reparations already...
http://articles.latimes.com/1995-02-12/news/mn-30965_1_racist-mob

At last, the state allocates $2 million in reparations.

'cause, according to you @"5th Letter" , money that has gone to a handful of people means reparations were paid out to everyone...

If you don't see how ridiculous your arguments have been up to now, I don't know what to say. Trying to point to a few people that got money and saying "Natives got reparations... look, this 17 tribes out of 566 recognized by the federal government got money from a lawsuit" is about as stupid as trying to say that all Black folks in this country got reparations because less than 20 Black families got money from a lawsuit filed for the survivors of Rosewood.

When did I say ALL native Americans got reparations? I have posted two articles that detail the government allocating money to tribal groups. Which is the point.

 

[MallyG]

If the natives would stay off the firewater they might be in a better position

Who introduced that firewater in the first place (on purpose btw)??.....

 

[konceptjones]

@ghostdog56 and @"5th Letter" since y'all like playing word games and act like you don't understand shit, according to this article, using your own logic of a small number of people getting "reparations", Black folks got reparations already...
http://articles.latimes.com/1995-02-12/news/mn-30965_1_racist-mob

At last, the state allocates $2 million in reparations.

'cause, according to you @"5th Letter" , money that has gone to a handful of people means reparations were paid out to everyone...

If you don't see how ridiculous your arguments have been up to now, I don't know what to say. Trying to point to a few people that got money and saying "Natives got reparations... look, this 17 tribes out of 566 recognized by the federal government got money from a lawsuit" is about as stupid as trying to say that all Black folks in this country got reparations because less than 20 Black families got money from a lawsuit filed for the survivors of Rosewood.

When did I say ALL native Americans got reparations? I have posted two articles that detail the government allocating money to tribal groups. Which is the point.

you asked:

Did native Americans receive reparations. Yes or No? It's unfortunate what has happened to your people but y'all have received resources in the past and continue to do so. You're arguing a point that I wasn't even making.

I replied:

No. Plain and simple. There have been no reparations paid. The only people I can think of that have received money from the government due to their treatment was the Japanese for being put into concentration camps. In 1988, Ronald Regan signed a bill that authorized the payment of $20K to every living survivor. They're the only people I can think of that got money.

To which you responded with:

"The experience of American Indians in obtaining reparations from the federal government should interest those who seek similar actions with respect to Black Americans. American Indians have received three types of reparations: (1) cash payments, through the operation of the Indian Claims Commission and the U.S. Court of Claims; (2) land, through an occasional action of Congress to return control over land to particular tribes; and (3) tribal recognition, by either Congress or the Bureau of Indian Affairs. The first of these has been the least satisfactory, measured by long-term impact on Indian communities. The second was more satisfactory, but has been experienced by very few tribes. The third, which is in process now, has had the best results."

and:

U.S. finalizes $3.4 billion settlement with American Indians
http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/26/politics/american-indian-settlment/

U.S. Government To Pay $492 Million To 17 American Indian Tribes
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...-pay-492-million-to-17-american-indian-tribes

These look like pay outs to me.

Within the context of the conversation you're making it seem as if the settlements from LAWSUITS to a handful of tribes and individuals, the return of land rightfully owed to several Tribes, and being federally recognized as a Tribe are, somehow, reparations paid to all Native Americans.

You cannot pin reparations to Natives on the legal wins of a few people just like we can't pin reparations to Black folks on the legal wins of a few.

Again... The only group of people in this country I can think of to have been given reparations were the Japanese.

 

[5th Letter]

@ghostdog56 and @"5th Letter" since y'all like playing word games and act like you don't understand shit, according to this article, using your own logic of a small number of people getting "reparations", Black folks got reparations already...
http://articles.latimes.com/1995-02-12/news/mn-30965_1_racist-mob

At last, the state allocates $2 million in reparations.

'cause, according to you @"5th Letter" , money that has gone to a handful of people means reparations were paid out to everyone...

If you don't see how ridiculous your arguments have been up to now, I don't know what to say. Trying to point to a few people that got money and saying "Natives got reparations... look, this 17 tribes out of 566 recognized by the federal government got money from a lawsuit" is about as stupid as trying to say that all Black folks in this country got reparations because less than 20 Black families got money from a lawsuit filed for the survivors of Rosewood.

When did I say ALL native Americans got reparations? I have posted two articles that detail the government allocating money to tribal groups. Which is the point.

you asked:

Did native Americans receive reparations. Yes or No? It's unfortunate what has happened to your people but y'all have received resources in the past and continue to do so. You're arguing a point that I wasn't even making.

I replied:

No. Plain and simple. There have been no reparations paid. The only people I can think of that have received money from the government due to their treatment was the Japanese for being put into concentration camps. In 1988, Ronald Regan signed a bill that authorized the payment of $20K to every living survivor. They're the only people I can think of that got money.

To which you responded with:

"The experience of American Indians in obtaining reparations from the federal government should interest those who seek similar actions with respect to Black Americans. American Indians have received three types of reparations: (1) cash payments, through the operation of the Indian Claims Commission and the U.S. Court of Claims; (2) land, through an occasional action of Congress to return control over land to particular tribes; and (3) tribal recognition, by either Congress or the Bureau of Indian Affairs. The first of these has been the least satisfactory, measured by long-term impact on Indian communities. The second was more satisfactory, but has been experienced by very few tribes. The third, which is in process now, has had the best results."

and:

U.S. finalizes $3.4 billion settlement with American Indians
http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/26/politics/american-indian-settlment/

U.S. Government To Pay $492 Million To 17 American Indian Tribes
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...-pay-492-million-to-17-american-indian-tribes

These look like pay outs to me.

Within the context of the conversation you're making it seem as if the settlements from LAWSUITS to a handful of tribes and individuals, the return of land rightfully owed to several Tribes, and being federally recognized as a Tribe are, somehow, reparations paid to all Native Americans.

You cannot pin reparations to Natives on the legal wins of a few people just like we can't pin reparations to Black folks on the legal wins of a few.

I guess you assumed I meant literally every living Native American got reparations. Now that confusion was cleared up I clearly posted articles showing you that the government has given reparations to native Americans groups that were also not apart of a lawsuit.

 

[konceptjones]

I guess you assumed I meant literally every living Native American got reparations. Now that confusion was cleared up I clearly posted articles showing you that the government has given reparations to native Americans groups that were also not apart of a lawsuit.

not one article you posted states this.

 

[b'mer...]

Neither can gauged or put on equal playing fields. Both are devastating and unacceptable.

 

[LUClEN]

Cant put a number on hell they had we had hell but ours lasted for longer

How are you determining this? Before they started bringing African slaves across the Atlantic the genocide had already begun and Natives were already being used for slave labour

 

[konceptjones]

Cant put a number on hell they had we had hell but ours lasted for longer

How are you determining this? Before they started bringing African slaves across the Atlantic the genocide had already begun and Natives were already being used for slave labour

Basically.

Within the first year of Columbus landing in the Americas, Natives were already being enslaved and shipped across the Atlantic back to Europe to be sold. By 1565 Natives were being used as slaves at St. Augustine in Florida (the oldest European setlement in North America). Africans didn't get here as slaves for another 50 years. The few that were here prior to the arrival of the first slave ship from Africa were either free men or indentured servants just like the white Europeans.

As I said before, Natives of this land had been slaughtered and enslaved for over 120 years before the first African stepped foot here as a slave. This is an indisputable historic fact.