who better overall Big Pun or Biggie

[qawshun]

Biggie. it's not as contest imo

 

[CoolJoe]

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Saying Big Pun was a better technical lyricist than Biggie isn't saying much. Biggie's style, like Pac's style wasn't about super intricate rhymes schemes.

Also, one style is necessarily better than the next. It's based on how well the emcee delivers it. Biggie delivered his style with ease, Big Pun struggled on some Talib Kweli trying to catch the beat shit with his style. If you want to hear flawless syllable rhyming, listen to BDK or Kool G. Those guys do it fluently.

In sum, Biggie rapped better, he had a wider range of topics, his flow was iller, his punches hit harder, his albums sound better, his impact was greater etc. It's basically like comparing a street ball legend to a perennial NBA All-star.

This dumb nigga did not just say Big Pun was analogous to a fucking streetball legend, smfh.

 

[SunflowaSeeds]

As a lyricist, how could it not be Pun?

 

[CoolJoe]

Does anyone honestly think Pun could spit like he did on Dream Shatterer against BIG for 3 rounds? We'll never know but my gut says no. Could BIg spit like he did on Long Kiss Goodnight for 3 rounds? We'll never know, but my gut says yes.

Let's please stop this lyrics PUN > BIG as if joints like Dream Shatterer were done without numerous stops, whereas a joint like Long Kiss Goodnight was done all in one take.

Pun had better lyrics, CLEARLY.

 

[Sage Wonder]

classic songs - BIG >>>>>>>>> Pun

classic verses - BIG >>>>>>>> Pun

lyrical ability - Pun (KGR) >>>>>>>> BIG (BDK)

flow - BIG >>>>>>>>>>>>> Pun

concepts - BIG

 

[Washington_Red]

classic songs - BIG >>>>>>>>> Pun

classic verses - BIG >>>>>>>> Pun

lyrical ability - Pun (KGR) >>>>>>>> BIG (BDK)

flow - BIG >>>>>>>>>>>>> Pun

concepts - BIG

 

[Sage Wonder]

I was referring to concept in his lyrics.. his shit is much more in depth if you actually listen to it. And lol @ people who think they know of pun and the only thing they know is that dead in the middle of little italty verse. He has classics for days.

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Just to name a few.

 

[Washington_Red]

No

 

[deadprezadentz]

Biggie by a landslide. Biggie didnt try to be super lyrical in his songs but he was. He made it look easy. U could hear & understand everything he said, u could rap with it, & a lot of stuff still went over people heads. Biggie has more quotables...

 

[Sage Wonder]

Unless you give me a counter argument, your point is invalid.

 

[NothingButTheTruth]

Saying Big Pun was a better technical lyricist than Biggie isn't saying much. Biggie's style, like Pac's style wasn't about super intricate rhymes schemes.

Also, one style is necessarily better than the next. It's based on how well the emcee delivers it. Biggie delivered his style with ease, Big Pun struggled on some Talib Kweli trying to catch the beat shit with his style. If you want to hear flawless syllable rhyming, listen to BDK or Kool G. Those guys do it fluently.

In sum, Biggie rapped better, he had a wider range of topics, his flow was iller, his punches hit harder, his albums sound better, his impact was greater etc. It's basically like comparing a street ball legend to a perennial NBA All-star.

this is the realest comment in this whole thread. i have nothing more to add other than saying pun better than biggie is like saying iverson better than jordan.

without biggie there is no pun, without jordan there is no iverson.

and biggie and jordan output and longevity> pun and iverson

and iverson and pun both say/said jordan/biggie are the goats

how ima be better than the guy i admit is the goat and my inspiration and i have way less output and longevity

thats like asking who better michael jackson or usher

/thread

Bad comparison ... Iverson is/was a perennial NBA All-star. I was thinking more along of lines of saying Skip to My Lou is better than Magic Johnson, as in they're not in the same league at all. As in Biggie is significantly better than Pun in everything.

And just like Skip, Pun played in the big leagues for awhile only to get shitted on by the real stars.

 

[NothingButTheTruth]

classic songs - BIG >>>>>>>>> Pun

classic verses - BIG >>>>>>>> Pun

story telling - BIG >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pun

lyrical ability - Pun (KGR) >> BIG (BDK)

flow - BIG >>>> Pun

delivery - BIG >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pun

concepts - BIG >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pun

Not sure how this is even a real question.

Capital Punishment is a great album tho.

Cosign, even though I disagree with the bold. To me, Big Daddy Kane is better than KGR. So many different styles, and his flips his verses with ease.

This dumb nigga did not just say Big Pun was analogous to a fucking streetball legend, smfh.

Go to any random person who's not a hip-hop nerd like the people on this site and ask them to name 3 2 Pun songs. Now do the same for any other universal GOAT artist (Nas, Big, Jay, Pac etc.)

Shit ask any rap artist to list 2 Pun songs... I GUARANTEE you everyone will draw a blank. I know this is the internet where everyone boosts their favorite artist on some internet warrior shit, but be honest, nobody knew him. He was a niche artist who was a nobody on the big scene. To sum it up, he was a dude in Fat Joe's camp.

 

[DR. JEK]

How do you go plattinum but nobody knows who you are? I know girls that can name more than 2 pun joints that don't even like rap music like that

 

[CoolJoe]

classic songs - BIG >>>>>>>>> Pun

classic verses - BIG >>>>>>>> Pun

story telling - BIG >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pun

lyrical ability - Pun (KGR) >> BIG (BDK)

flow - BIG >>>> Pun

delivery - BIG >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pun

concepts - BIG >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pun

Not sure how this is even a real question.

Capital Punishment is a great album tho.

Cosign, even though I disagree with the bold. To me, Big Daddy Kane is better than KGR. So many different styles, and his flips his verses with ease.

This dumb nigga did not just say Big Pun was analogous to a fucking streetball legend, smfh.

Go to any random person who's not a hip-hop nerd like the people on this site and ask them to name 3 2 Pun songs. Now do the same for any other universal GOAT artist (Nas, Big, Jay, Pac etc.)

Shit ask any rap artist to list 2 Pun songs... I GUARANTEE you everyone will draw a blank. I know this is the internet where everyone boosts their favorite artist on some internet warrior shit, but be honest, nobody knew him. He was a niche artist who was a nobody on the big scene. To sum it up, he was a dude in Fat Joe's camp.

You do know he went Platinum right?

Nobody knew the nigga, but he went platinum, logic, use it.

 

[CirocObama]

How do you go plattinum but nobody knows who you are? I know girls that can name more than 2 pun joints that don't even like rap music like that

LOL @ dudes "Universal GOAT artists lists (Nas, Big, Jay, Pac etc)" that's something i mentioned earlier as a reason why alot of these guys in here will pick Biggie over Pun. We're talking RAPPING wise not "do you know him or not". Like i said i like Biggie alot but it's like arguing with 2pac STANS (not fans) it's like no matter what they'll flip their arguments and make it about something completely else or whatever.

It's a fact that RAPPING wise Pun was better than Biggie. It is what it is. Now Biggie def had built a larger legacy than Pun but that's not the question. It's obvious that alot of these niggas never really listened to Pun and that's cool but don't make opinions if y'all don't got a clue cuz you can tell that alot of these niggas just talking not making any sense.

 

[DR. JEK]

Yeah, its almost more of a popularity contest than who's actually better at rappin. I like big too and his music legacy speaks for itself but he just wasn't a monster like pun is. It reminds me of the ll cool j canibus battle. Anybody that listens to lyrics carefully knows canibis ate ll up but because because shit alway turns into who made the most hits, its like ll automatically won to people. Its sickening when its not based on rap skills alone

 

[ocelot]

Good ass thread...

 

[CirocObama]

Yeah, its almost more of a popularity contest than who's actually better at rappin. I like big too and his music legacy speaks for itself but he just wasn't a monster like pun is. It reminds me of the ll cool j canibus battle. Anybody that listens to lyrics carefully knows canibis ate ll up but because because shit alway turns into who made the most hits, its like ll automatically won to people. Its sickening when its not based on rap skills alone

Exactly. That's real talk.

 

[Washington_Red]

I dont think this a popularity contest at all.

Its a contest of who made more classic songs and was a more well rounded emcee.

The ONLY area where there is universal agreement on Pun being better than BIG is as a lyricist.

Lyrics is only one part of being dope. There's a reason why Immortal Technique, Chino XL, and Canibus aren't in very many top 5 lists.

 

[rapmastermind]

Reporter: "Pun who is your favorite rapper of all time"

Pun: Kool G Rap and Biggie

If I had a dollar for every time someone is compared to Biggie on the IC, I'd be rich. Why isn't this thread, "Big Pun Vs LL" or "Big Pun Vs NaS" because wither people admit it or not Biggie standard in rap so he will get comparisons. Again this is the 1,000th (Insert Rapper >>>>> Better than Biggie) Thread up here. Pun was a beast but like this thread, most would agree that he wasn't better than Big OVERALL, that's what the thread ask. It didn't ask for 1 category. It's said in all Categories.

When you look at the Full Package, Big is ahead of Pun. Life After Death Disc 1 is better than Yeah Baby, so is disc 2. LAD is seeing CP also. Ready to Die is superior to CP and Yeah Baby no question. So what department does Pun have Big beat in? Flow? Nope. Lyrics? It's debatable, lyricism is built on more than multi's, Pun could not do storytelling like Big so that was something lyrically Big had over Pun. Catalog? Both short but Big had more memorable songs. So again how is Pun Overall better than Biggie?