"when women refuse"

[desertrain10]

Just because women have less power in Eastern countries does not mean there is no patriarchy in the US

Right lol

Patriarchal norms still shape family law and policy

A patriarchal attitude is still present in the corporate world, academia, sports, etc

Many americans including posters on the IC openly subscribe to a patriarchal ideology

 

[Focal Point]

Make prostitution legal

Fiat would be proud

 

[Purr]

@ladyzee just showed us that she is a fucking idiot. Lol

 

[LUClEN]

@ladyzee just showed how much of she is an idiot. Lol

English Major fail ^

Values are not a measure of intelligence

 

[Purr]

@ladyzee just showed how much of she is an idiot. Lol

English Major fail ^

Values are not a measure of intelligence

Nigger, ive been drankin since 12pm. Fuck off my clit bitch

 

[LUClEN]

@ladyzee just showed how much of she is an idiot. Lol

English Major fail ^

Values are not a measure of intelligence

Nigger, ive been drankin since 12pm. Fuck off my clit bitch

told you I'm black

 

[JonnyRoccIT]

Niggas in here having a "Who can Use the Most (big) words In an Argument" Contest .

*SMH*

 

[deadeye]

Just because women have less power in Eastern countries does not mean there is no patriarchy in the US

@Trashboat‌

I don't think anyone is saying that there aren't "aspects" of patriarchy in the U.S.....just that the US is not a patriarchal society in the same sense as those other countries.

 

[The Iconoclast]

Just because women have less power in Eastern countries does not mean there is no patriarchy in the US

@Trashboat‌

I don't think anyone is saying that there aren't "aspects" of patriarchy in the U.S.....just that the US is not a patriarchal society in the same sense as those other countries.

See, here's the thing, no one in here was arguing that it was, and yet for some reason a few people interjected this comparison in this topic like it has some relevance. Everyone knows the US isn't as bad as say, Pakistan. So there was no point of mentioning in an argument unless one in trying to elicit a straw-man fallacy.

When one says, since A is smaller than B, A doesn't exist that's not logically sound at all.

@Trashboat is correct on that account.

@ladyzee just showed how much of she is an idiot. Lol

LOL.

 

[Colin$mackabi$h]

I'm proposing mandatory vasectomies btw. Off to congress. You men need to be governed on the usage of your balls. You make all kinds of fucked up decisions when your penises become erect.

@Westie So yall women make better decisions when your bored?

 

[deadeye]

Just because women have less power in Eastern countries does not mean there is no patriarchy in the US

@Trashboat‌

I don't think anyone is saying that there aren't "aspects" of patriarchy in the U.S.....just that the US is not a patriarchal society in the same sense as those other countries.

When one says, since A is smaller than B, A doesn't exist that's not logically sound at all.

@Trashboat is correct on that account.

@ladyzee just showed how much of she is an idiot. Lol

LOL.

True, but depending on how much smaller A is.....it definitely could be less significant than B.

In some cases, to the point of irrelevance.

It's like me saying that I'm "starving" after working in my yard for 4 or 5 hours.....and actually believing that it's comparable to the starvation experienced in some parts of Africa.

An obvious exaggeration to make my situation seem worse than it really is.

Meaning, that I may be hungry....but not literally starving.

Same thing with this "patriarchal society" debate.

If we were living in a true patriarchal society, there would be specific laws in place that would prohibit women from having certain rights and privileges.

Granted, there was a time in history when that was the case.....but not anymore.

Other countries do: Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc......but not in the US.

Therefore, since we no longer have any laws of that nature.....we're not living in a patriarchal society in the truest sense of what that would actually mean.

 

[25centsandwich]

Just because women have less power in Eastern countries does not mean there is no patriarchy in the US

@Trashboat‌

I don't think anyone is saying that there aren't "aspects" of patriarchy in the U.S.....just that the US is not a patriarchal society in the same sense as those other countries.

See, here's the thing, no one in here was arguing that it was, and yet for some reason a few people interjected this comparison in this topic like it has some relevance. Everyone knows the US isn't as bad as say, Pakistan. So there was no point of mentioning in an argument unless one in trying to elicit a straw-man fallacy.

When one says, since A is smaller than B, A doesn't exist that's not logically sound at all.

@Trashboat is correct on that account.

@ladyzee just showed how much of she is an idiot. Lol

LOL.

Your argument is a leap tho playa. If anything u could argue that progressive changes made after slavery and the civil right movement spurred woments suffrage and the feminist movement but even then that might be a leap.

 

[25centsandwich]

back to the original point of the thread...i can definitely see a difference between this new generation and the generation i grew up in as far as getting rejected by females and such...even when i go out to a bar/spot with the misses or some friends its ridiculous to see how mad these young cats get when they get rejected or ESPECIALLY how they wont give up spitting even tho the girl is clearly not interested...its not even disgusting...its just sad...

frankly and i said this before and ill say it again....this generation of men has been emasculated to a ridiculous degree...from thinkin its cool to not work to posting there "feelings" on social media...men are getting softer but still want to be the rugged characters they see on tv and video games...

what you get is a lack of fulfillment...so instead of gaining confidence through daily interactions with people they seek attention in other ways (social media). now the actions in this thread are extreme without a doubt...but symptomatic of a larger issue imo

 

[Mike.]

Serious question: does built up semen invoke rage in you niggas?

naw that causes blue balls

 

[jono]

Just because women have less power in Eastern countries does not mean there is no patriarchy in the US

@Trashboat‌

I don't think anyone is saying that there aren't "aspects" of patriarchy in the U.S.....just that the US is not a patriarchal society in the same sense as those other countries.

See, here's the thing, no one in here was arguing that it was, and yet for some reason a few people interjected this comparison in this topic like it has some relevance. Everyone knows the US isn't as bad as say, Pakistan. So there was no point of mentioning in an argument unless one in trying to elicit a straw-man fallacy.

When one says, since A is smaller than B, A doesn't exist that's not logically sound at all.

@Trashboat is correct on that account.

@ladyzee just showed how much of she is an idiot. Lol

LOL.

Your argument is a leap tho playa. If anything u could argue that progressive changes made after slavery and the civil right movement spurred woments suffrage and the feminist movement but even then that might be a leap.

I will admit and say I don't know what's going on here but Women's Suffrage is older or at least as old as the "Civil Rights" Movement. It's one of the original civil rights movements.

Feminism as a term and philosophy came much later but the ideas were there for decades prior. World War II really kicked women's suffrage into high gear as women got a lot of freedoms they were denied before (like working outside the home for instance).

Blacks, women, and the poor have been fighting for equality in this country since it's inception, from time to time there have been some weaving of the ideas as well as some walls constructed based on personal biases, one day folks will see that only by working together can we really move the needle to helping everyone. As long as racist feminists, misogynitic black militants and any mixture of the three exist it's going to be a long road to hoe.

When someone is against something or a person they always use one of the boogeymen connected with that idea as a way to say the particular idea is negative, usually those people are radicals. It's wholly fallacious reasoning as a person may fall anywhere within a given spectrum on an idea.

 

[desertrain10]

Just because women have less power in Eastern countries does not mean there is no patriarchy in the US

@Trashboat‌

I don't think anyone is saying that there aren't "aspects" of patriarchy in the U.S.....just that the US is not a patriarchal society in the same sense as those other countries.

When one says, since A is smaller than B, A doesn't exist that's not logically sound at all.

@Trashboat is correct on that account.

@ladyzee just showed how much of she is an idiot. Lol

LOL.

True, but depending on how much smaller A is.....it definitely could be less significant than B.

In some cases, to the point of irrelevance.

It's like me saying that I'm "starving" after working in my yard for 4 or 5 hours.....and actually believing that it's comparable to the starvation experienced in some parts of Africa.

An obvious exaggeration to make my situation seem worse than it really is.

Meaning, that I may be hungry....but not literally starving.

Same thing with this "patriarchal society" debate.

If we were living in a true patriarchal society, there would be specific laws in place that would prohibit women from having certain rights and privileges.

Granted, there was a time in history when that was the case.....but not anymore.

Other countries do: Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc......but not in the US.

Therefore, since we no longer have any laws of that nature.....we're not living in a patriarchal society in the truest sense of what that would actually mean.

Nosign

And bad analogy

The phrase "patriarchal society" traditionally has been used in reference to a society where most families are headed by men... today is it more so been used to define a society whereby men disproportionately hold positions of power and prestige, and have the power to define reality and common situations

And patriarchy doesnt have to be enforced by law in these societies, but with coercion and intimidation

patriarchal norms could however shape law , policy and legal structures such as marriage...

All of which is the case here in america

 

[Arya Tsaddiq]

Yall still talking about the SAME thing huh?

 

[blacktux]

Serious question: does built up semen invoke rage in you niggas?

naw that causes blue balls

Which invokes rage.

 

[deadeye]

Just because women have less power in Eastern countries does not mean there is no patriarchy in the US

@Trashboat‌

I don't think anyone is saying that there aren't "aspects" of patriarchy in the U.S.....just that the US is not a patriarchal society in the same sense as those other countries.

When one says, since A is smaller than B, A doesn't exist that's not logically sound at all.

@Trashboat is correct on that account.

@ladyzee just showed how much of she is an idiot. Lol

LOL.

True, but depending on how much smaller A is.....it definitely could be less significant than B.

In some cases, to the point of irrelevance.

It's like me saying that I'm "starving" after working in my yard for 4 or 5 hours.....and actually believing that it's comparable to the starvation experienced in some parts of Africa.

An obvious exaggeration to make my situation seem worse than it really is.

Meaning, that I may be hungry....but not literally starving.

Same thing with this "patriarchal society" debate.

If we were living in a true patriarchal society, there would be specific laws in place that would prohibit women from having certain rights and privileges.

Granted, there was a time in history when that was the case.....but not anymore.

Other countries do: Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc......but not in the US.

Therefore, since we no longer have any laws of that nature.....we're not living in a patriarchal society in the truest sense of what that would actually mean.

Nosign

And bad analogy

patriarchal norms could however shape law , policy and legal structures such as marriage...



All of which is the case here in america

@desertrain10‌

It's only a bad analogy from your perspective because it doesn't support what you believe.

Let's talk about the bolded though.

How have patriarchal norms shaped laws in terms of custody, child support, alimony, spousal support, community property, divorce, and false rape accusations?

You can't deny that all of the things that I mentioned are skewed to favor women.

 

[LUClEN]

Just because women have less power in Eastern countries does not mean there is no patriarchy in the US

When women stop expecting precedence in custodial proceedings, I'll hear you. When women give the father a say in abortions because it's "our child" not just "my body", I'll hear you. However until men are shown the same respect women demand, then that shit falls on deaf ears here. You can't expect preferential treatment and then scream victim afterwards, equal is equal or it's not at all.

Women can apply for the same jobs, go to the same clubs (and if it's lady's night get in free while dudes pay), get the same qualifications, rise to positions of power and run empires... if America seems oppressive, try Abu Dhabi. That's some real shit to deal with.

There are people who claim there is no racism in America because Black folks can do the things you just said

Even if the 'rules' are 'fair' on the books the statistics show otherwise