"when women refuse"

[Westie]

After reading all the feminism talk got me thinking that the man in the middle east got shit right about how to treat women. Some of you bitches need to be stone to death.

I agree. Some of you bitches need to be stoned to death.

And by that I mean stop crying like one.

I find it funny that when a feminist (or most females in any case) insults a male she says he has "feminine" traits.

Seems odd to me.

I'm not a feminist

 

[deadeye]

I've said it before I'll say it again, feminism is a form of sexism.

Really? I think you're a tad confused.

fem·i·nism

ˈfeməˌnizəm/

noun

the advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men.

sex·ism

ˈsekˌsizəm/

noun

prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination, typically against women, on the basis of sex.

So feminists don't subject men to prejudice?

So feminists don't discriminate against men?

So feminists don't stereotype men?

The problem I have with feminists is they don't want to be equal to men, they want females to be superior.

Just stop being wrong and pooling your ignorance on the topic of feminism with that of @ThirdEyeFive‌ and other men not knowledgeable on the topic...by far enough for a day.

Feminists are the ones who paved the way so you could work alongside men in everything from tattooing to computer science and you aren't in the house merely cooking and caretaking.

They're the ones that speak out loudly, alongside equally great men, against domestic abuse. Even while you get on here and act a damn fool making light of the fact you were some guy's punching target for some online reactions.

A real feminist is also standing up for the men fighting for his child because the court's tend to give custody to women..for the man whose money isn't going to the child's needs but to a woman's shopping habit...amongst other issues men have to deal with. Men's issues are very important to MY feminism...as well as most others who are real about their shit.

I don't know what woman hurt y'all, but y'all best start looking at facts. Stop pointing out extremists who are manhaters or want to be superior as the REAL face of feminism...because they're not. You being a woman speaking out against women fighting for you makes you look pretty goddamned stupid.

Being a feminist =/= always siding with women on issues or being too "independent" or wanting to be "over" men

Straight up facts or straight up quietude, pick one.

Your usual stance doesn't correlate with what you've just said.

Kinda like when you're online with your 'pro black' schtick yet you were online besties with a white boy, then VIBE, then Lou Cypher... You don't see the hypocrisy?

I'm against women fighting for me? No. I respect feminism in the past when it was necessary.

I can vote, I get the same pay as men, I have the same rights, etc... So what are current feminists actually doing for me?

Not a thing.

Really? You think that? Your country has only had equal rights for women for roughly 40 years. Stop.

LOL women in that country barely have reproductive rights, discrimination against Travellor women is abundant, migrant women's rights and domestic workers rights are fucked. Can't stand when white women say, "I have it good cuz I'm privileged and I feel equal, so that means a women's movement for equality isn't necessary at all and is just damaging to men."

LOL no reproductive rights? Just because my country doesn't allow sluts to murder babies?

It's arrogant mere mouthpieces like you that make feminism a joke.

You're on your computer forcing your views on people that dont particularly care, doing absolutely nada to help the 'woman's movement'.

Tell me, what sexist prejudice have you faced?

You work in your mum's yard sale/shop... Do you work with a man that gets paid more than you?

A more likely theory is that your 'women's studies' degree has brainwashed you to feel some sort of prejudice that you dont even encounter.

I don't give a fuck if you see feminism as a joke, because I already said I don't consider myself a feminist, but a womanist. \/

Nope, you don't have any reproductive rights, whitey. Most cells that are terminated by abortion don't have feelings or are fully developed into humans. It's purely religious male conservatism that tells you what to do with your body and you go along with it.

LOL at your dumb Shamrock ass asking a Black woman to tell you how she suffers from sexism. By asking that very question, you're saying you don't even think Black women face any type of chauvinism. And the very fact that you think that me working with my mother negates the fact that Black women in America work the lowest paid jobs, face a greater risk of domestic abuse, are more likely to be incarcerated, and experience police brutality goes to show what a dumb white cunt you are.

This is why I can't deal with white assholes like @LadyZee who spend all day chucking it up for Black dick but know nothing about Black people or Black women.

"My country doesn't allow us women to slaughter any partially developed children... How unfair!!! :-(" - how fucking sick & ridiculous.

I stopped reading right here. It's clear you're one of those "life begins at conception" fuckheads who allows emotions and men to dictate to you instead of actual scientific facts. And I can't be fucked to continue to argue with someone that stupid.

White heauxz like you amuse the fuck out of me.

@Cunt_Lyfe‌

Just curious.....when do you think life begins?

"At conception" means that an embryo has formed.

If nothing is done to stop the embryo's natural progression, it will eventually become a person.

This doesn't have anything to do with emotions.....it's a scientific fact.

Are we really doing the pro life shit really????

@Westie‌

Talk to your girl Loca......@Cunt_Lyfe‌

She's the one who brought it up.

I don't even think this is a pro-life issue.

It's about biology/science.

Fact is, once a sperm fertilizes an egg and forms an embryo....that's a human life.

No that is an opinion. That embryo can't survive on it's own.

And why am I discussing this? Shut up!

@Westie‌

So, if while you were pregnant....someone kicked you in your stomach and caused the "termination of your pregnancy"....you wouldn't feel like they killed your child?

I mean, the embryo can't survive on it's own right....so that person wouldn't be charged with murder would they?

 

[Westie]

I'm not taking your bait @deadeye‌

 

[Meta_Conscious]

After reading all the feminism talk got me thinking that the man in the middle east got shit right about how to treat women. Some of you bitches need to be stone to death.

I agree. Some of you bitches need to be stoned to death.

And by that I mean stop crying like one.

I find it funny that when a feminist (or most females in any case) insults a male she says he has "feminine" traits.

Seems odd to me.

I'm not a feminist

you don't believe that women should be paid the same as men for the same work?

 

[LPast]

I consider myself pro choice when it comes to abortion. But how does human life NOT begin at conception?

 

[Westie]

How the fuck can you nosign how I identify myself?

I believe in traditional gender roles. I still can support other people's right to their own beliefs. I still know the definition of feminist.

 

[Westie]

After reading all the feminism talk got me thinking that the man in the middle east got shit right about how to treat women. Some of you bitches need to be stone to death.

I agree. Some of you bitches need to be stoned to death.

And by that I mean stop crying like one.

I find it funny that when a feminist (or most females in any case) insults a male she says he has "feminine" traits.

Seems odd to me.

I'm not a feminist

you don't believe that women should be paid the same as men for the same work?

I believe the woman's place should be in the home but if she chooses. I don't believe men and women are completely equal. Pay is not the only feminist issue.

 

[Avenue Crazy]

After reading all the feminism talk got me thinking that the man in the middle east got shit right about how to treat women. Some of you bitches need to be stone to death.

I agree. Some of you bitches need to be stoned to death.

And by that I mean stop crying like one.

The fact that you confuse what I wrote with crying let me know that you're incapable of comprehending properly because your emotions are overflowing your pantie liners. Which goes to show you shouldn't be able to make no decision without a man approval even a decision concerning your own body.

 

[deadeye]

I'm not taking your bait @deadeye‌

@Westie

You just don't wanna call it what it is or publicly admit it because you'd have to acknowledge that you were contradicting yourself.

I've got a pretty good idea of how you'd feel, so your silence actually says a lot more than an actual response would have.

 

[a.mann]

@Westie‌

 

[Westie]

After reading all the feminism talk got me thinking that the man in the middle east got shit right about how to treat women. Some of you bitches need to be stone to death.

I agree. Some of you bitches need to be stoned to death.

And by that I mean stop crying like one.

The fact that you confuse what I wrote with crying let me know that you're incapable of comprehending properly because your emotions are overflowing your pantie liners. Which goes to show you shouldn't be able to make no decision without a man approval even a decision concerning your own body.

Ok then too bad you can't do shit about that thought tho.

 

[Westie]

Hush now @deadeye‌

 

[deadeye]

I consider myself pro choice when it comes to abortion. But how does human life NOT begin at conception?

@LPast‌

Exactly.

I don't even understand how it's debatable.

 

[deadeye]

Hush now @deadeye‌

@Westie‌

Would you rather engage in a conversation about your buttocks?

 

[Westie]

Hush now @deadeye‌

@Westie‌

Would you rather engage in a conversation about your buttocks?

I'm about to block you

 

[deadeye]

Hush now @deadeye‌

@Westie‌

Would you rather engage in a conversation about your buttocks?

I'm about to block you

@Westie‌

That would indicate strong "feelings".....which would mean that I bested you in this exchange.

Are you willing to acknowledge that?

*On my way to Chick-Fil-A now. We'll pick this up after I've recovered from the itis*

 

[xxCivicxx]

I've said it before I'll say it again, feminism is a form of sexism.

Really? I think you're a tad confused.

fem·i·nism

ˈfeməˌnizəm/

noun

the advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men.

sex·ism

ˈsekˌsizəm/

noun

prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination, typically against women, on the basis of sex.

So feminists don't subject men to prejudice?

So feminists don't discriminate against men?

So feminists don't stereotype men?

The problem I have with feminists is they don't want to be equal to men, they want females to be superior.

I don't know what all feminists do because I'm not one. Feminism itself is about EQUAL treatment. Exactly how do feminists discriminate against men? He's a man so he can't do *insert something here* as good as a woman???

Egalitarianism is about equal rights for all. Feminism is about rights for women. Different words, different meanings. Feminism doesn't care about boys being born with AIDS in South Africa but they do care about not being able to show their tits on Instagram. They care about what affects them, not everyone, otherwise it wouldn't be a term designating only a female cause or mind set.

As for how feminism discriminates against men, alimony and custody arrangements are set out in favour of the mother. It is very rare a father gets sole custody and child support payments, generally if they do get sole custody they are then often still expected to support the mother and allow for the option of renegotiated terms in the future.

I never said feminism is about everyone.

Also, I didn't realize paternity issues in the court system have anything to so with the feminist movement. I could be wrong

See this is exactly why I hate debating feminists. Most of ya'll don't even know your own shit. How do I(as well as a lot of other males in here) know more about the history of a movement that you claim to be a part of...

 

[BelovedAfeni]

Did anyone read his manifesto?

 

[blackrain]

By the way I agree with those who said men suffer from some harmful double standards, just as I'd agree if some said whites suffer from some double standards. Both are correct.

When marginalized groups fight against oppression, collateral damage happens. The double standards privileged group faces still pales in comparison to what an oppressed group faces. It is what is.

A white person's white privilege outweighs the double standards they suffer from. For an example, they can't use ethnic slurs in public without backlash, but minorities can with little to no backlash. They can't have "all white" entities without it being deemed racist, but minorities can have entities for "only minorities".

As a black male I wish I had the privilege of a white person in our society and if I was female I'd wish I had the privilege of a male in our society(and especially if I was in the middle east).

Thanks to whites, power dynamics are embedded in our society and any society that was victim of European imperialism.

You saying the right shit for the most part but white folks ain't birth power dynamics in societies. That shit existed long before white folks went out robbing the world in every country they set foot in.

"for most part". Lol? Everything I said was factual.

You must have misunderstood my post, because it clearly stated in "our" society and any society victim of European imperialism. Whites (specifically white males) are the exact cause of the current power dynamics embedded in Western Civilization.

That part isn't even up for debate, and if you deny that then you're denying the white hegemony exists and the evidence that supports its existence. Which then means you subsequently deny the institutionalized racism they created.

Are you white? If you are, I'd love for you to attempt to find any factual errors in my post (or any of my posts in this thread for that matter) cite your sources as well. Then I'll address them and we can start this debate about white supremacy and your white privilege. I'm game.

No I'm not white. For the most part is just a saying. As in you're right but I pointed out the part that I initially disagreed with. When i hear "our society" my first thought is the world in general not just America. Now that you went more in depth about that point I see your pov and agree with it.

 

[xxCivicxx]

I've said it before I'll say it again, feminism is a form of sexism.

An incorrect generalization. You're allowing the vocal minority(misandrist) to influence how you feel about the rest of the group. That's like allowing the vocal minority (black supremacists) to influence how you feel about black activists.

When an activist group fights for equality, so that an oppressed group's level of autonomy matches the hegemony, that doesn't mean what they're doing is akin to the oppression they're facing. You've also invoked a false equivalency fallacy.

You could also apply your 'logic' to black activists fighting oppression from whites. Are they racist? Is that another form of racism? Should marginalized groups like blacks and women lay down and not fight for against the systemic oppression?

Feminism is a white woman movement started by white women specifically against white men/women. Black women who have embraced feminism chose to take the very worst gripes that white women have/had against white men and superimpose them onto black men, thus furthering the implosion the black family. Black men are in no position to oppress anyone anywhere, except for maybe in Africa(which has a whole different set of white supremacy/black oppression problems within it). The type of feminism that black women practice is usually pretty sexist, as you can see in this thread

These outbreaks are just symptomatic of a patriarchal society that perpetuates the male sense of entitlement regarding women. We're conditioned at an early age to objectify women - you notice how the hero or protagonist usually "wins the girl" or "gains her affection after a heroic deed" at the end. It's a primary reason, upon entering adulthood, we feel after a certain amount of positive actions/gestures during a prolonged period of time, we're entitled to gain a woman's affection - with little to no consideration about her level of attraction toward us, if we measure up to her preference or if she'd just rather be friends.

America is not a Patriarchal society.

America does indeed have a patriarchal society. This is indisputable and something that the majority of the academic community agree upon, backed by research.

Our patriarchal society was established and perpetuated by the white hegemony. To deny this is to deny racism because both were created from this pervasive construct.

Any college course involving power dynamics, critical race theory, gender studies or intersectionality would tell you this.

The more I read your posts, the more I'm convinced that you don't really know what you're talking about. The richest 1% in America may or may not live in a patriarchy, but the rest of America definitely doesn't operate under one. I'm sure you know what the word "facade" means. Something like there being more men than women in Congress doesn't directly imply patriarchy for a number of reasons. I've posted about feminism way too much on this forum already so I'm not gonna repost facts again, but feel free to check my post history if you feel like educating yourself