When and why exactly did Andre 3000 end up anywhere close to the greats ?!?

[JDSTAYWITIT]

How long dis thread gna stay up?

Da dick eating in dis thread is disgustin, b

We get it, sum ppl think hes a great nd sum dont, da general consensus for sum odd reason is dat he is..

CLOSE THREAD!!

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[Stew]

Bet if you take a poll of who all thinks 3K is a top 5 MC AND SPECIFICALLY ASKED WHAT STATE THE VOTERS WERE FROM....

....It would be an overwhelmingly Southern opinion.

And thats no hate on 3 Stacks part. Granted every region has a few MC's that mostly resonate on a regional level; however in the case of Andre Benjamin, Im pretty sure this "Top 5 GOAT" shit sprung up in the South as a type of "SEE WE GOT GOATS TOO FUCKBOY" response to Northerners and West Coast heads.

Just like if you ask me, what really helped Wayne get a foothold in the South was the renewed conversation of "Whose the Best MC in the game/Regional Front Men" thanks to Jay-Z and Eminem ('01-'04 Jay vs. Em debates were EVERYWHERE).

Thats not saying much cause I can guaruntee that most people who feel like Rakim is the GOAT is in there 30's and from NYC.

 

[JayToTheZ]

Bet if you take a poll of who all thinks 3K is a top 5 MC AND SPECIFICALLY ASKED WHAT STATE THE VOTERS WERE FROM....

....It would be an overwhelmingly Southern opinion.

And thats no hate on 3 Stacks part. Granted every region has a few MC's that mostly resonate on a regional level; however in the case of Andre Benjamin, Im pretty sure this "Top 5 GOAT" shit sprung up in the South as a type of "SEE WE GOT GOATS TOO FUCKBOY" response to Northerners and West Coast heads.

Just like if you ask me, what really helped Wayne get a foothold in the South was the renewed conversation of "Whose the Best MC in the game/Regional Front Men" thanks to Jay-Z and Eminem ('01-'04 Jay vs. Em debates were EVERYWHERE).

You do realize some people are from Canada and other country's right?

 

[Disciplined InSight]

PROVE ....nigga please ..the man has classics under his belts ...you understand what im saying?? classics ...the fuck he need to prove some shit for ....lol

and what do you mean you didnt say evey artist need to sound like nas face and gfk?? thats exactly what you implication was ..your point was you wouldnt see these "true hip hop" cats doing nothing like that so anything other than that aint the "real deal" cmon nigga if that was the case hiphop would be garbage and stale as fuck ...

Yeah..classics as a group effort. The Love Below IN MY OPINION is something else but it's not Hip Hop.

You ever heard of the saying "if it ain't broke don't fix it"? Yeah..you coming off like every artist gotta do something "different" to stay fresh which is bullshit. Yes, concepts and maturity comes with an artist through the years and it will impact their lyrics, but adding all that other experimental shit to be so-called "groundbreaking" is just trying to force some other sounds on the culture that wasn't broken in the first place so please save that "true Hip Hop" shit comment to yourself because I never said anything of the such.

Another thing is this...I DO NOT consider The Love Below a HIP HOP album(with many other people in here saying that as well)..what part of that don't you understand? The Love Below is NOT a HIP HOP album..at all...regardless of how much you think it's evolving him as an artist, the general consensus will say it's not. As far as Nas, Ghostface, Scarface etc...they never changed, never came off stale and garbage and they're still considering to those great emcees.

 

[Disciplined InSight]

Thats not saying much cause I can guaruntee that most people who feel like Rakim is the GOAT is in there 30's and from NYC.

I'm from South, in my 30's and feel the same way.

 

[frostyicy]

Andre 300 is a lyrical genius, thats why he is in the tops as one of the greats.

People don't respect 3000 the same way people don't respect Lupe. Lyrical genius' get lil respect cuz most of their rhymes go over people's head.

 

[blackrain]

Cosizzle. These dudes put people like Big L, Big Pun, and Biggie in their top 10 when they have a limited catalog. It's like, what's the standard for being a GOAT? Isn't longevity the main factor? How can you be a GOAT, if you don't have longevity? Shit doesn't make sense.

After being on the IC for a while, I'm convinced 95% of the posters that say Big L is one of the goats has never really listened to him...they just have seen enough people say it online that they believe it themselves...

 

[JDSTAYWITIT]

Yeah..classics as a group effort. The Love Below IN MY OPINION is something else but it's not Hip Hop.

You ever heard of the saying "if it ain't broke don't fix it"? Yeah..you coming off like every artist gotta do something "different" to stay fresh which is bullshit. Yes, concepts and maturity comes with an artist through the years and it will impact their lyrics, but adding all that other experimental shit to be so-called "groundbreaking" is just trying to force some other sounds on the culture that wasn't broken in the first place so please save that "true Hip Hop" shit comment to yourself because I never said anything of the such.

oh worrrrrd???

...and that's when Hip Hop gets into shit, too much other extra shit being added into it. Fuck that. I'm not gonna lie, I like my Hip Hop more traditional and concrete. It's good to update the sounds, but still keep it in it's purest form.

hmm i wonder who said this .......... adjectives like "traditional" "concrete" "purest form" bear no difference to an adjective like "true hip-hop" in my book ...so what are you really saying ...

And i also never said shit about every artist has to do something new to stay with the trend ...what i said was if every artist in hip-hop did shit the same it would be stale ...and garbage ..... balance, diversity within the genre>>> YOU for whatever reason decided that dre made a "forced" effort to take his solo in a different direction than the typical hip-hop artist album ...while the actuality is he had been going down that path with his music since ATLiens ...so to me and most it was natural not at all forced or contrived

Another thing is this...I DO NOT consider The Love Below a HIP HOP album(with many other people in here saying that as well)..what part of that don't you understand? The Love Below is NOT a HIP HOP album..at all...regardless of how much you think it's evolving him as an artist, the general consensus will say it's not. As far as Nas, Ghostface, Scarface etc...they never changed, never came off stale and garbage and they're still considering to those great emcees.

You need to read the shit in the thread my dude…

the point is people are talking this shit like he's incapable of putting out quality work on his own ...like once he does something without big boi all of a sudden he wouldn’t be able to conceptualize quality music and that’s why his group efforts with kast shouldn’t equate into the argument when discussing his top ten credentials ...which is bullshit ...he clearly can put out good music on his own proof being the love below ...and his rap credentials really should be unquestioned ...all of this "he needs a hiphop solo album" shit is just nitpicking ...the nigga has been responsible for MULTIPLE hip hop classic albums ...so i aint tryna hear that

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[Disciplined InSight]

oh worrrrrd???

hmm i wonder who said this .......... adjectives like "traditional" "concrete" "purest form" bear no difference to an adjective like "true hip-hop" in my book ...so what are you really saying ...

And i also never said shit about every artist has to do something new to stay with the trend ...what i said was if every artist in hip-hop did shit the same it would be stale ...and garbage ..... balance, diversity within the genre>>> YOU for whatever reason decided that dre made a "forced" effort to take his solo in a different direction than the typical hip-hop artist album ...while the actuality is he had been going down that path with his music since ATLiens ...so to me and most it was natural not at all forced or contrived

You need to read the shit in the thread my dude…

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Your reading comprehension is pitiful. Unfortunately you just don't get it so let me simplify it for you.

You have producers to update or "evolve" their sounds and production for today and still keep it HIP HOP in it's purest form. No experimentation. As far as his group efforts, they're more straight up Hip Hop and Big Boi's Speakerboxxx and Sir Lucius Leftfoot: Son Of Chico Dusty is more updated, concrete and pure Hip Hop than The Love Below and that's truth not it's not nitpicking....and you seemed to mix the words "pure" with "true" trying to find a loophole in my opinion, but you will not because it's not the same.

 

[JokerzWyld]

Andre 300 is a lyrical genius, thats why he is in the tops as one of the greats.

People don't respect 3000 the same way people don't respect Lupe. Lyrical genius' get lil respect cuz most of their rhymes go over people's head.

Finally, someone who gets it.

 

[JDSTAYWITIT]

Your reading comprehension is pitiful. Unfortunately you just don't get it so let me simplify it for you.

You have producers to update or "evolve" their sounds and production for today and still keep it HIP HOP in it's purest form. No experimentation. As far as his group efforts, they're more straight up Hip Hop and Big Boi's Speakerboxxx and Sir Lucius Leftfoot: Son Of Chico Dusty is more updated, concrete and pure Hip Hop than The Love Below and that's truth not it's not nitpicking....and you seemed to mix the words "pure" with "true" trying to find a loophole in my opinion, but you will not because it's not the same.

(Musical Evolution) - (Experimentation) = Suspended Animation ......... you need to either better articulate yourself ...or just cut it out completely

Pure to the culture =/= True to the culture .......i dont even know what your arguing with this.... my point was to say you can be true/real with hip hop and experiment at the same time in fact thats good for the music ...it wasnt to explain why i think the love below is a hiphop album ...nowhere did i ever call it a hiphop album (the nigga is clearly singing/crooing on 75-85% of the songs and not rapping it does have major hip hop influences tho) ...what you will see is me calling it a quality music ...so again not seeing what your point is....

but honestly bro ...it obvious nobody i changing their mind on this ....like i said i can repsect your wrong opinion its good .... but this once again pretty much sums up my arguement..

the point is people are talking this shit like he's incapable of putting out quality work on his own ...like once he does something without big boi all of a sudden he wouldn’t be able to conceptualize quality music and that’s why his group efforts with kast shouldn’t equate into the argument when discussing his top ten credentials ...which is bullshit ...he clearly can put out good music on his own proof being the love below ...and his rap credentials really should be unquestioned ...all of this "he needs a hiphop solo album" shit is just nitpicking ...the nigga has been responsible for MULTIPLE hip hop classic albums ...so i aint tryna hear that

and thats really it mane...

 

[[Trillmatic]]

*The Love Bellow was a solo album, but it was also part of a boxset with Big Boi's Speakerboxx....

how is it a solo album if it was packaged with big boi? You know good and that wasn't a solo album.

 

[Disciplined InSight]

(Musical Evolution) - (Experimentation) = Suspended Animation ......... you need to either better articulate yourself ...or just cut it out completely

Pure to the culture =/= True to the culture .......i dont even know what your arguing with this.... my point was to say you can be true/real with hip hop and experiment at the same time in fact thats good for the music ...it wasnt to explain why i think the love below is a hiphop album ...nowhere did i ever call it a hiphop album (the nigga is clearly singing/crooing on 75-85% of the songs and not rapping it does have major hip hop influences tho) ...what you will see is me calling it a quality music ...so again not seeing what your point is....

but honestly bro ...it obvious nobody i changing their mind on this ....like i said i can repsect your wrong opinion its good .... but this once again pretty much sums up my arguement..

and thats really it mane...

Let me put it this way because your brain cells are slow as molasses to what I'm explaining to you.

Fuck all that experimental bullshit, Andre was just doing it to prove he was trying to be "different" yet even though he sold diamond with Big Boi, the majority of niggas really couldn't ride with that album (including myself). And even though he got classics RAPPING/EMCEEING as a GROUP, that experimental bullshit called The Love Below as a SOLO effort on his part which was actually a GROUP album his status being one of the great EMCEES (keyword is EMCEE=Hip Hop, see the fucking connection?) will not count until he starts back RAPPING i.e Hip Hop. not SINGING or CROONING. Save that shit for R & B...and that goes for any of them, Drake, Wayne etc...I'm very staunch when it comes to artists trying to "experiment". Either keep it 100%, but when you experiment, don't call it HIP HOP.

 

[JDSTAYWITIT]

Let me put it this way because your brain cells are slow as molasses to what I'm explaining to you.

Fuck all that experimental bullshit, Andre was just doing it to prove he was trying to be "different" yet even though he sold diamond with Big Boi, the majority of niggas really couldn't ride with that album (including myself). And even though he got classics RAPPING/EMCEEING as a GROUP, that experimental bullshit called The Love Below as a SOLO effort on his part which was actually a GROUP album his status being one of the great EMCEES (keyword is EMCEE=Hip Hop, see the fucking connection?) will not count until he starts back RAPPING i.e Hip Hop. not SINGING or CROONING. Save that shit for R & B...and that goes for any of them, Drake, Wayne etc...I'm very staunch when it comes to artists trying to "experiment". Either keep it 100%, but when you experiment, don't call it HIP HOP.

alright brotha...

 

[rapmastermind]

Interesting Debate. Look, 3 Stacks is a Living Legend off the strength of his work with Outkast which easily has one of the greatest catalogs in Hip Hop History. They are IMO a Top 5 Group ever, Top 10 at the very worst. Now it's tricky when you take a group member and compare him to a solo artist. So I have to side with people saying 3 Stacks isn't a Top 10 Emcee. There are 10 solo emcees with better solo catalogs than 3 Stacks has. Now with that said, I don't see how anyone could argue that 3 Stacks doesn't have Top 10 components and or skills. Lyrically?, He's sick, he talk about any subject. Flow? Amazing, he can ride almost any beat. Delivery? Unbelievable. Song Making Ability? Great. So 3 Stacks does have talent to be a top 10 emcee but he does need more solo material.

Other Group Artist that branched out did more with their solo work. Including someone like Ice Cube who I would agrue is a consensus Top 10 Emcee all time. But Guess what, he's also in a Top 10 Group All Time. But Cube's solo work is undeniable. I don't think Prodigy is a Top 10 Emcee but during his time with Mobb he could spit with the rest of them. He also dropped some quailty solo albums. "The Love Below" was an amazing record but there was more singing on it than "Miseducation" so he did go away from Hip Hop more. If 3 Stacks could just give us a Hip Hop Solo there would a stronger argument. But I can't put him in the Top 10 Emcees when he does not have a Classic solo album.

 

[ibedamned]

T/S is a dick face

 

[JDSTAYWITIT]

Interesting Debate. Look, 3 Stacks is a Living Legend off the strength of his work with Outkast which easily has one of the greatest catalogs in Hip Hop History. They are IMO a Top 5 Group ever, Top 10 at the very worst. Now it's tricky when you take a group member and compare him to a solo artist. So I have to side with people saying 3 Stacks isn't a Top 10 Emcee. There are 10 solo emcees with better solo catalogs than 3 Stacks has. Now with that said, I don't see how anyone could argue that 3 Stacks doesn't have Top 10 components and or skills. Lyrically?, He's sick, he talk about any subject. Flow? Amazing, he can ride almost any beat. Delivery? Unbelievable. Song Making Ability? Great. So 3 Stacks does have talent to be a top 10 emcee but he does need more solo material.

Other Group Artist that branched out did more with their solo work. Including someone like Ice Cube who I would agrue is a consensus Top 10 Emcee all time. But Guess what, he's also in a Top 10 Group All Time. But Cube's solo work is undeniable. I don't think Prodigy is a Top 10 Emcee but during his time with Mobb he could spit with the rest of them. He also dropped some quailty solo albums. "The Love Below" was an amazing record but there was more singing on it than "Miseducation" so he did go away from Hip Hop more. If 3 Stacks could just give us a Hip Hop Solo there would a stronger argument. But I can't put him in the Top 10 Emcees when he does not have a Classic solo album.

just a question ...why does a rappers efforts in a duo exclude him from having that body of work included as backing in this kind of debate??

 

[[Trillmatic]]

just a question ...why does a rappers efforts in a duo exclude him from having that body of work included as backing in this kind of debate??

In my opinion a solo effort is much more difficult to succeed in than a group album not only from a lyrical standpoint..but also marketing, sales, and overall album quality. I like Andre, he's a dope rapper no doubt....but i can't put him @ goat status untill he drops multiple dope solo albums.

 

[JDSTAYWITIT]

In my opinion a solo effort is much more difficult to succeed in than a group album not only from a lyrical standpoint..but also marketing, sales, and overall album quality. I like Andre, he's a dope rapper no doubt....but i can't put him @ goat status untill he drops multiple dope solo albums.

ok ...so because a solo rapper puts one extra verse on a track he is more qualified to get more credit than a guy in a duo? and how do you figure its easier to promote/market 2 people instead of 1??