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aneed123;c-9734611 said:times change and what fans like change... I remember the old heads hating on anything that didnt sign like 80s shit in the 90's.. The younging theses days party and do all types of drugs and like they shit... I cant argue and make them like what I grew up on. They dictate popular culture. On the other end lyricism , storytelling, and songs with a message have gone to the wayside.. Now we get hooks 2 verse rap songs and niggas basically freestyling with no direction on songs with a good beat. I was listening to don trip song lil homie and that shit popped in my head "Damn aint no story telling real songs no more.... We need that balance back in hip hop.
the_focused_one;c-9735515 said:The internet caused the divide of young vs. old fans by destroying the shared community of mainstream hip hop that had been experienced the prior 30 years.
Even though it's much better for the individual artist now, when major labels were the gatekeepers of music, A&Rs were necessary to make sure that the artists they signed were legit. If they weren't, the labels would lose money and the music channels would lose viewers on the countdown shows.
Once online pirating became household, labels lost the power to control music quality, music channels disappeared, and us fans were scattered into the wind to decide for ourselves what was hot or not. While this is in no way a bad thing, it started the divide we have today.
The artists that are hot today are cats that built their own following through social media BEFORE signing with a label. So regardless if they suck, if they can pull numbers of like minded masses together, labels will sign them because they are packaged and ready to market, without any need for A&R, million dollar music videos, super producers, and expensive tours to build up fan bases.
Meanwhile, us old heads have 1) matured, and 2) still remember when you had to SPIT and be talented to get signed, so our standards are WAY higher than 14 year olds that want to rebel and just yell "aye" at the end of every bar. So we naturally go back to what we know or search for underground stuff that the youth don't.
That's why we have the divide. No one is listening to the same shit, so there is no more community to share critique or praise in outside of internet forums and lame ass Twitter threads.
Listencloser;c-9735684 said:the_focused_one;c-9735515 said:The internet caused the divide of young vs. old fans by destroying the shared community of mainstream hip hop that had been experienced the prior 30 years.
Even though it's much better for the individual artist now, when major labels were the gatekeepers of music, A&Rs were necessary to make sure that the artists they signed were legit. If they weren't, the labels would lose money and the music channels would lose viewers on the countdown shows.
Once online pirating became household, labels lost the power to control music quality, music channels disappeared, and us fans were scattered into the wind to decide for ourselves what was hot or not. While this is in no way a bad thing, it started the divide we have today.
The artists that are hot today are cats that built their own following through social media BEFORE signing with a label. So regardless if they suck, if they can pull numbers of like minded masses together, labels will sign them because they are packaged and ready to market, without any need for A&R, million dollar music videos, super producers, and expensive tours to build up fan bases.
Meanwhile, us old heads have 1) matured, and 2) still remember when you had to SPIT and be talented to get signed, so our standards are WAY higher than 14 year olds that want to rebel and just yell "aye" at the end of every bar. So we naturally go back to what we know or search for underground stuff that the youth don't.
That's why we have the divide. No one is listening to the same shit, so there is no more community to share critique or praise in outside of internet forums and lame ass Twitter threads.
That and white people. They ruin everything.
the_focused_one;c-9735515 said:The internet caused the divide of young vs. old fans by destroying the shared community of mainstream hip hop that had been experienced the prior 30 years.
Even though it's much better for the individual artist now, when major labels were the gatekeepers of music, A&Rs were necessary to make sure that the artists they signed were legit. If they weren't, the labels would lose money and the music channels would lose viewers on the countdown shows.
Once online pirating became household, labels lost the power to control music quality, music channels disappeared, and us fans were scattered into the wind to decide for ourselves what was hot or not. While this is in no way a bad thing, it started the divide we have today.
The artists that are hot today are cats that built their own following through social media BEFORE signing with a label. So regardless if they suck, if they can pull numbers of like minded masses together, labels will sign them because they are packaged and ready to market, without any need for A&R, million dollar music videos, super producers, and expensive tours to build up fan bases.
Meanwhile, us old heads have 1) matured, and 2) still remember when you had to SPIT and be talented to get signed, so our standards are WAY higher than 14 year olds that want to rebel and just yell "aye" at the end of every bar. So we naturally go back to what we know or search for underground stuff that the youth don't.
That's why we have the divide. No one is listening to the same shit, so there is no more community to share critique or praise in outside of internet forums and lame ass Twitter threads.
Kwan Dai;c-9726094 said:Sion;c-9725994 said:The two won't embrace each other equally or as Stew said, respect. The old want to hang on to the old way of things and won't give the young niggas a chance and the young niggas won't respect the older heads because they diss them anyways. If you can't put differences aside to respect and embrace both sides and generations, Hip-Hop cannot grow.
Grow into what?
There is such thing as a Jazz or Blues standard as an example. While yes, there have been various interpretations of said standards those who interpret haven't attempted to change.. That is the difference. If, niggas want to bastardized Hip Hop as an art form with no standards or traditions they need to not call it Hip Hop. Find some other shit to leech onto. We have niggas riding Hip Hop's coat tails only to say "I am not a Hip Hop artist", "I'm not an MC", "I don't want to be put into a box". Well then these types need to find some other shit leech off of. You don't have Blues guitarist saying BB King wasn't shit and they don't want to be identified as a "Blues guitarist". You don't have Jazz trumpeters saying Miles wasn't shit and they don't want to be identified as a "Jazz trumpeter". This shit is happening in Hop Hip at an alarming rate. These no talent fucks buzz off of Hip Hop then about face on some "don't box me in". FOH.
Ear2DaSt;c-9729667 said:I dunno but the older generation was going diamond,triple,quadruple platinum
these kats are going certified wood for the most part
and if they do go plat it takes alot longer
with a few acceptions
numbaz...80's baby;c-9736656 said:"How many times do I have to tell you cats i'm not a rapper? Can I live?/ I told you in 96 that I came to take this shit and I did/ handle my biz/ I scramble like Randle with his/"
The previous generation was saying it. They influenced the new generation to say it.
This shit is the older generation's fault. Keep lying to yourself though.
Go figure;c-9740916 said:Was listening to buddens podcast other day n they were talking about how the younger generation are starting to rank lebron over mj little by little and rory made a good point that they only know mj thru highlights n are living thru the lbj era live and direct watching everything as it unfolds
To me that applies to the "disconnect" in music...among a bunch of other good answers in here its also simply TIME.
We got to anticipate a lot of the albums from the artists in our personal top 10....they have to search em on youtube in no particular order...didnt get to watch the artist grow, hear the streets bumpin the new shit to know how hot it was.
U really cant blame em imo