What's the biggest reason for the disconnect between the younger and older generation of hip hop fan

[LUClEN]

People who relate more with the older culture immediately cut off the lines for communication when they use exaggerated language and say things like "hip hop is dead". It's such mellow dramatic nonsense, because there's been dope hip hop the whole time if you were willing to dig for it. But people are so stuck on the stuff they grew up with that they completely forget about all of the BS music that was produced during their time just so they can shit on what's being made now. They'll quickly dismiss the crap kids listen to but neglect the crap like Tip Drill, party like a rock star, This is Why I'm Hot, and that whole snap music phase.

As soon as you try to engage people from a place of superiority you've ended the conversation. Nobody wants to listen to you talk about the culture with a condescending tone and finger wagging.

 

[Listencloser]

Old Testament of Hip Hop Era was from 1973 - 2006

We are in the New Testament of Hip Hop Now... The year 2007 was beginning of a New Testament of Hip Hop ... Where is Social Media defines your credentials not the streets and not recording labels...These are the New Rules

And this was the defining moment when Hip Hop/Rap officially change forever... remember this

So People like Gene Simmons from Kiss from others genres and the older generations Of Hip Hop heads can finally understand and accept that Today's Hip Hop is the New Rock & Roll for this generation worldwide now.

Too many Kanye dick riders here to understand that at the time Kanye was considered a fake conscious rapper propped up by the industry vs a fake gangster commercial rapper.

 

[Matike85]

Old Testament of Hip Hop Era was from 1973 - 2006

We are in the New Testament of Hip Hop Now... The year 2007 was beginning of a New Testament of Hip Hop ... Where is Social Media defines your credentials not the streets and not recording labels...These are the New Rules

And this was the defining moment when Hip Hop/Rap officially change forever... remember this

So People like Gene Simmons from Kiss from others genres and the older generations Of Hip Hop heads can finally understand and accept that Today's Hip Hop is the New Rock & Roll for this generation worldwide now.

Too many Kanye dick riders here to understand that at the time Kanye was considered a fake conscious rapper propped up by the industry vs a fake gangster commercial rapper.

@Listencloser

 

[Ear2DaSt]

New shit cant C the old shit

 

[natural born sinners]

What is mumble rap to you?

Im not a grammar freak

I notice in my time listening to hip hop there are times you can't understand what is said

it's either said to fast or slightly mumbled to me that's fine as long as the majority is understandable

grammar freaks demand that you rhyme words the way the technically correct way them folks speak it

Im not feeling that let urban shit be urban shit

For a definition of mumble rap see future, future lite aka Designer, young thug and all the other auto tune trap niggas n wannabes.

 

[Kwan Dai]

The two won't embrace each other equally or as Stew said, respect. The old want to hang on to the old way of things and won't give the young niggas a chance and the young niggas won't respect the older heads because they diss them anyways. If you can't put differences aside to respect and embrace both sides and generations, Hip-Hop cannot grow.

Grow into what?

There is such thing as a Jazz or Blues standard as an example. While yes, there have been various interpretations of said standards those who interpret haven't attempted to change.. That is the difference. If, niggas want to bastardized Hip Hop as an art form with no standards or traditions they need to not call it Hip Hop. Find some other shit to leech onto. We have niggas riding Hip Hop's coat tails only to say "I am not a Hip Hop artist", "I'm not an MC", "I don't want to be put into a box". Well then these types need to find some other shit leech off of. You don't have Blues guitarist saying BB King wasn't shit and they don't want to be identified as a "Blues guitarist". You don't have Jazz trumpeters saying Miles wasn't shit and they don't want to be identified as a "Jazz trumpeter". This shit is happening in Hop Hip at an alarming rate. These no talent fucks buzz off of Hip Hop then about face on some "don't box me in". FOH.

And where is Jazz today ? I think Hip-hop and Jazz are bad examples as Hip-hop transcends music and incorporates art, dance, film, fashion and other things. It's a culture not entirely based around music the way Jazz is.

That being said in order for things to grow you need to give it autonomy. That's not to say it shouldn't have limits but if you don't have 2 generations co-operating you're going to have people like 50 Cent saying "Master P is irrelevant", niggas like Lil Yachty and Uzi Vert saying fuck the old heads and Pete Rock and niggas like Drake making it ok to have writers. Without the two you're not gonna have Rakims, G-Raps, Slick Ricks touring the way the Rolling Stones, Eagles or Metallica still can cuz niggas are quick to say fuck em they're irrelevant.

There's a disconnect in rap between old heads and young heads.

What do you mean where is Jazz?

Jazz is a perfect example and the fact that you cannot make the correlation bolsters my argument that part of the disconnect is the younger generation being willfully ignorant.

Jazz has permeated all of the areas you mentioned. Jazz has\had specific dances, Jazz has been in films and Fashion long before Kool Herc spun a record or Crazy legs did a backspin. Jazz is a culture. One that in order to actually be proficient at it, you have to live it, love it and study it.

Again grow into what? You have knot answered my question yet. Hip Hop being a global commodity says nothing about the POSITIVE growth of the art form. Commercial success is achieved via strong marketing not strong product.

50 cent saying master p is irrelevant has to be taken in context. Perhaps master P is irrelevant. Rakim is irrelevant if, put in a commercial context. Artistically Rakim can never, ever be irrelevant because, he has offered Hip Hop timeless art.

One of the disconnects is younger folks not respecting the experience\history of elder Hip Hoppers as I said previously and this conversation is proof positive.

 

[Kwan Dai]

The "old heads" fucked all of this shit up. You cant blame the youth.

The apple dont fall far from the tree. It's a process to go from great to shit. Shit didnt create itself.

Who told thes kids its cool to talk about drugs and violence? They didnt teach themselves.

Who started wearing these faggot ass clothes? They didnt just wake up one day and say im going to wear tight clothes. That shit was pushed on them just like baggy jeans were pushed on us.

I don't know you tell us who started wearing faggot clothes. What I can tell you since you seem to have no knowledge on the subject. Baggy clothes was the direct result of Hip Hop breaking away from the WHITE EUROPEAN designers who made form fitting clothes and from White entertainment influence in general. This began with Run-DMC. Fast foward White entertainment influence is has pretty much overtaken Hip Hop since early the 2000's now we see niggas running around looking like skaters,Boy George, David Lee Roth and Stephen Tyler.

And what about these guys

^^^ and in the same vein some of those guys were real life gangsters and would kill a nigga in a heart beat if them called them "gay" based on how they dressed.

If, you are going to attempt to make a point at least be genuine.

1. Milli Vanilli aren't Hip Hop artists

2. Using a Random picture of 70's fashion is not Hip Hop

3. You offered several pictures of the same group Grandmaster Flash and the Furious 5. Which, they have said over and over those photos are from photo shoots, or shows in which they had just performed. Bboys didn't dress that way, nor did the average Hip Hopper. Run-Dmc has also said, many times the reason they wore Addidas and Levi's is because, that's what the average Hip Hopper wore. Not what we saw groups like Furious and Soul Sonic wearing in photo shoots and stage performances. So, what you once again have done is shown your ignorance of Hip Hop. What you are trying to use as proof is an anomaly. Which, if you have watched Style Wars, B-Street, or Krush groove you would know that's not how Hip Hoppers were getting down. Being that I lived that time period I know first hand what the real is.

 

[babafryo]

2017 rappers looking like anime characters and video game villains

 

[Ear2DaSt]

why they comparing to 70s instead of 90s fashion?

 

[leftcoastkev]

Overall when you're younger you don't wanna listen to ppl trying to school you...Especially random ppl. You might listen to your uncles or other blood but that's about it. You tryna make the game go your way and do ur own thing your own way.

Fashion, hairstyles, how you move through the world, how you view the world....all these things shape how you approach the music....and how you receive the music. Younger folks gonna do their music differently because their experience in the time is different. And as fake and flaw as it may seem to older ppl it's real to younger ppl. In their world it is. Same way as the generation before saw the now old ppl coming up.

You ain't tryna hear no old ppl tell u this and that. Especially when you're inundated with a high amount of old fuck niggas. It's a further turn off.

All this plus hip hop and the black male experience in general is built on a (pseudo) prideful culture and few ppl are freely willing to admit they are wrong....young or old.

 

[Ear2DaSt]

pretty much true^

 

[Ear2DaSt]

Older people may look at it like they moving like us but we just more authentic

I could try to adapt my ear to the newer stuff but that shit mostly sounds wack

kids are some easily influenced it's easy to steer them wrong

If you go to high school with mostly the majority you become heavily influenced as a minority

cartoons influence,movies,tv shows like degrassi influence

kids are show how it is and tend to think it's reality

these kids wanna be basketball players and football players influenced by their coach

i mean they are told not to be like uncle so and so that got locked up a drug dealer drop out

they get moved to rich neighborhoods and are taught certain behavior is the norm

get along with the majority make best friends with robby and this becomes mainstream

being hood and acting bad get's looked at as being foolish

more people want music that represents how they live and come across so times change

to older kats u just miss the real shit

you can't back track to some real shit you got to be groomed into such a pedigree

 

[Kwan Dai]

Overall when you're younger you don't wanna listen to ppl trying to school you...Especially random ppl. You might listen to your uncles or other blood but that's about it. You tryna make the game go your way and do ur own thing your own way.

Fashion, hairstyles, how you move through the world, how you view the world....all these things shape how you approach the music....and how you receive the music. Younger folks gonna do their music differently because their experience in the time is different. And as fake and flaw as it may seem to older ppl it's real to younger ppl. In their world it is. Same way as the generation before saw the now old ppl coming up.

You ain't tryna hear no old ppl tell u this and that. Especially when you're inundated with a high amount of old fuck niggas. It's a further turn off.

All this plus hip hop and the black male experience in general is built on a (pseudo) prideful culture and few ppl are freely willing to admit they are wrong....young or old.

You post makes zero sense.

If, you are trying to make the game go your own way and do your own thing then you should be unique. Right?

Why does 90% if not more of the music sound the same?

Why are youngings rocking snap backs?

Why are youngings rocking high top fades?

Why are youngings rocking retro kicks?

My daughter just asked me for a phannie pack. A phannie pack?

I get what goes around comes around and I think it's cool. Youngings need to stop acting like the shit they are doing is unique. And then sound like idiots saying older folks don't understand. How are yall doing damn near the exact same thing we did as teenagers yet we don't understand?

 

[Ghostdenithegawd]

 

[5th Letter]

Overall when you're younger you don't wanna listen to ppl trying to school you...Especially random ppl. You might listen to your uncles or other blood but that's about it. You tryna make the game go your way and do ur own thing your own way.

Fashion, hairstyles, how you move through the world, how you view the world....all these things shape how you approach the music....and how you receive the music. Younger folks gonna do their music differently because their experience in the time is different. And as fake and flaw as it may seem to older ppl it's real to younger ppl. In their world it is. Same way as the generation before saw the now old ppl coming up.

You ain't tryna hear no old ppl tell u this and that. Especially when you're inundated with a high amount of old fuck niggas. It's a further turn off.

All this plus hip hop and the black male experience in general is built on a (pseudo) prideful culture and few ppl are freely willing to admit they are wrong....young or old.

You can do that and still show respect.

 

[Listencloser]

If in 1996 I told my uncles and older cousins who were teens and early 20s during the late eighties that Pac, Nas, Big and Wu were better than the 80s greats it would be uncontroversial.

 

[Kwan Dai]

If in 1996 I told my uncles and older cousins who were teens and early 20s during the late eighties that Pac, Nas, Big and Wu were better than the 80s greats it would be uncontroversial.

I don't know. If I was one of the uncles I would hold it down for KRS, Kane, Rakim, Chuck, Kool G and LL. The music changed no doubt. But straight up Rhyming there isn't some huge gap.

 

[leftcoastkev]

Overall when you're younger you don't wanna listen to ppl trying to school you...Especially random ppl. You might listen to your uncles or other blood but that's about it. You tryna make the game go your way and do ur own thing your own way.

Fashion, hairstyles, how you move through the world, how you view the world....all these things shape how you approach the music....and how you receive the music. Younger folks gonna do their music differently because their experience in the time is different. And as fake and flaw as it may seem to older ppl it's real to younger ppl. In their world it is. Same way as the generation before saw the now old ppl coming up.

You ain't tryna hear no old ppl tell u this and that. Especially when you're inundated with a high amount of old fuck niggas. It's a further turn off.

All this plus hip hop and the black male experience in general is built on a (pseudo) prideful culture and few ppl are freely willing to admit they are wrong....young or old.

You post makes zero sense.

If, you are trying to make the game go your own way and do your own thing then you should be unique. Right?

Why does 90% if not more of the music sound the same?

Why are youngings rocking snap backs?

Why are youngings rocking high top fades?

Why are youngings rocking retro kicks?

My daughter just asked me for a phannie pack. A phannie pack?

I get what goes around comes around and I think it's cool. Youngings need to stop acting like the shit they are doing is unique. And then sound like idiots saying older folks don't understand. How are yall doing damn near the exact same thing we did as teenagers yet we don't understand?

You just proved the point.

Because it's them and how they view it.

As opposed to the way YOU view it.

Thus, the disconnect.

"Youngings need to stop acting like..."

You want them to view it as you want them to view it, when they are new experiencing life at they see it. You are saying they sound like "idiots" when they just sound young. They are seeing this shit for their first time while you can see pass it.

Of course it makes zero sense to you if you can only look at it from your view and you are deeply rooted in that view. In your mind and people who think like you do you are making sense. In their young mind they make sense.

When the younger generation grows up, has kids, and the next generation comes, more than likely they will feel the same way about the next.

 

[grYmes]

It's all natural... If ya'll don't think there was a group of people brought up during the 80's & early 90's having this same convo about any genre of music you're a fool. Different generations bring different views. There does seem to be a lack of self-awareness & respect these days but to me that's was going on in general not just hip-hop. Social media exposed a lot of peoples uncommon sense (young and old).

 

[aneed123]

times change and what fans like change... I remember the old heads hating on anything that didnt sign like 80s shit in the 90's.. The younging theses days party and do all types of drugs and like they shit... I cant argue and make them like what I grew up on. They dictate popular culture. On the other end lyricism , storytelling, and songs with a message have gone to the wayside.. Now we get hooks 2 verse rap songs and niggas basically freestyling with no direction on songs with a good beat. I was listening to don trip song lil homie and that shit popped in my head "Damn aint no story telling real songs no more.... We need that balance back in hip hop.