Very good read about Rocafella, Dame,Jay,Clark Kent,Foxy,etc and y they broke up

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hnic1978;877379 said:
Even though Dame is a successful black man, it wasn't corporate america that took him down. There are several black business owners not making stupid moves and their success run laps around Dames. LMAO!!!! its funny that u say this cuz Dame DID have a reality show and just in case u didn't know IT FLOPPED!!!

I just Love how you guys keep making these references to all these other successful BLACK Businessmen\women. Who are they? And which of these Black owners have done what he did IN HIP HOP. I don't want to hear about the Super Soaker brother either. We are talking about Hip Hop. It probably flopped because, he showed his aggressive and ambitious business style and Blacks tuned him out. Oh and I am sure the disturbing Love affair many have with Jayz didn't help either.
 
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Hey why stick with niggas when jews can take you much further =)) I wouldve done the same.......
 
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7thwardslim;877409 said:
I think these niggas be gettin mad at me for going in on Jay.......thats they Demi-God......

But all im doing is speaking truth.......i mean Jay-Z has no background before RD......

As i know just like several others know......Jay-Z style flipped over night like they say Wayne style did....

How u go from rapping like Bone Thugs to sounding like Biggie and Nas......

How u go from rhyming words to make them rhyme....to Kingpin status.....

Check out Jay-Z old shit......im talking about before RD......he never rapped about hustling......

He never rapped about fucking girls......he never rapped about gettin money......i had this arguement before

and i guess the dude i was debating with, he won because he said Jay-Z was battle rapper and battle rappers dont rap about those things....

I was like well u have a point.....but even when he was freestyling and not battling in those days.....his subject matter was never about street shit

it was always about how nice he is on the mic........im nice like this....im flow like that......riggity-rap-rip-ripping-and-rolling-rugged...that was Jay-Z style

While u make a good point, cuz he was riggity rapping like Das EFX, doesn't mean he wasn't in the streets. I agree he used his hustling stories to get on but let me ask you another question. Was it what he was talkin bout or was it how talented he was with his music?? Hustling and mafioso shit was getting talked about WAAAY before RD but he was able to take and go further why was that??
 
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7thwardslim;877409 said:
I think these niggas be gettin mad at me for going in on Jay.......thats they Demi-God......
But all im doing is speaking truth.......i mean Jay-Z has no background before RD......

As i know just like several others know......Jay-Z style flipped over night like they say Wayne style did....
How u go from rapping like Bone Thugs to sounding like Biggie and Nas......
How u go from rhyming words to make them rhyme....to Kingpin status.....
Check out Jay-Z old shit......im talking about before RD......he never rapped about hustling......
He never rapped about fucking girls......he never rapped about gettin money......i had this arguement before
and i guess the dude i was debating with, he won because he said Jay-Z was battle rapper and battle rappers dont rap about those things....
I was like well u have a point.....but even when he was freestyling and not battling in those days.....his subject matter was never about street shit
it was always about how nice he is on the mic........im nice like this....im flow like that......riggity-rap-rip-ripping-and-rolling-rugged...that was Jay-Z style

My dude I am a 70's baby from BK. I don't need convincing!! It's this fake ass posters that have the wool pulled over their eyes. Like I said in earlier post. DAME and CLARK were seasoned in the industry and to think that they didn't have a hand in crafting in Jayz's image is, laughable. They iggity,piggty Jack rabbit screw flow was out and there was no way he could compete with NAS, SNOOP, BIG and others. They knew they had to change this and they did.
 
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Kwan Dai;877429 said:
I just Love how you guys keep making these references to all these other successful BLACK Businessmen\women. Who are they? And which of these Black owners have done what he did IN HIP HOP. I don't want to hear about the Super Soaker brother either. We are talking about Hip Hop. It probably flopped because, he showed his aggressive and ambitious business style and Blacks tuned him out. Oh and I am sure the disturbing Love affair many have with Jayz didn't help either.

I got one........Diddy. Diddy has an overly aggressive and asshole tendacies also but he knows how to present himself to Corporate America. How is it that two niggas with the same attitude but one is damn near a billionare but the other fell harder than a penny off Sears Tower????
 
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hnic1978;877444 said:
While u make a good point, cuz he was riggity rapping like Das EFX, doesn't mean he wasn't in the streets. I agree he used his hustling stories to get on but let me ask you another question. Was it what he was talkin bout or was it how talented he was with his music?? Hustling and mafioso shit was getting talked about WAAAY before RD but he was able to take and go further why was that??

Fam? Most cats from every Borough in NYwas in the streets during the late 80's and early 90's street peddling. So, Jay didn't do anything special in this regard. It was Foxxy helping him blow-up, Dame, and Clark. Like I said waaaay to much credit.
 
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hnic1978;877465 said:
I got one........Diddy. Diddy has an overly aggressive and asshole tendacies also but he knows how to present himself to Corporate America. How is it that two niggas with the same attitude but one is damn near a billionare but the other fell harder than a penny off Sears Tower????

Exactly!!! PUFF KNOWS HOW TO PRESENT HIMSELF TO CORP AMERICA. But to his own (BLACKS) he will shit on them and keep it moving. TYPICAL CORP. NEGRO!! Great Comparison. Thank You kindly.
 
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hnic1978;877400 said:
Got a question for u homie if you was a kingpin nigga would you want niggas speakin on you??? While i don't think Jay was a kingpin we can believe that Jay had money and thats what I saw Bleek say. Plus you never heard of anybody calling Jay a fake nigga also

Lets be real homey........even if Jay was gettin money he would be on average niggas radars.......u feel me......like Jeezy...... he was talking dope money and dope boy shit before the deal.......same as Rick Ross.....same as Baby.....same as Scarface.....now i would say im not from New York.....but as much as Jay-Z push him self as a Kingpin......its not 1 person beside Bleek that say Jay-Z got busy on the street level........for instance.....Gucci dont have tell me he sold drug.....he dont have to say i have 200 bricks......i can feel and sense Gucci was fucking with hood niggas.......same as Rich Boy.....he probably wasnt a kingpin.....but u can tell he been around

its just that certain auro u have when u from the hood, and when u raised up around it and raised up close to it.......im just sayin......

in the ealry 80's He was running around battling......late 80's he was running with Kane......he was a roadie.....Kane even said the nigga used to come to the studio everyday for hours and hours for years at a time.....so u put together 5 years with Kane.....and Kane never said once he was dealer or even came off as a dealer...

u feel me......early 90's he stuck under Jaz nuts.......and Jaz even said that nigga wasnt no drugs......he was a fast-rapping ass kid......then he started running Dame..

Dame never co-signed him as a drug dealer.......then Irv got his deal with Def Jam......and Boom he was kingpin drug dealer......hell no....Man Jay-Z whole background have been wiped clean homey.....just like Nas said that Ether burn slow.......its just makes me mad.....that Jay-Z still pushin this shit on these young kids that u can be a drug dealer turned rapper.......that nigga Jay got a 30k deal......are u serious.......so if Dame gave that nigga 10 stacks,.....that would blow Bleek mind.....a lil nigga from the projects....and u show him 10 stacks and give him 1 stack to throw in the crowd......that nigga is forever indebted to u.....and u seem like God to the lil nigga

u know drug dealers roll thru the hood and hand out money........i guess what.....on the streets.....everybody know who they is.......its funny just like Ghetto Quran

if u a big time dope dealer.....like Jay-z was his name wouldve rang thru out New York like say.....Alpo....Fritz.....Pappy......im not from New York but i can listen to New York music and hear those names being called on record......just like im a average nigga from New Orleans......if i say Kenneth Kaine...... everybody from downtown New Orleans know that name, and that name rang fear and respect........just like if i say 10th ward Bub.......yall might not know who the fuck im talking about but everybody from Uptown know....the police know....the pastor at the church know......the old ladies who outside all day know.......u feel me.......Why Puff never said 1 time.....

i mean Puffy.......we talkin Puff......why Puff never mentioned 1 time that Jay-Z was a former Drug Dealer......

My whole thing is this........ If Jay is a big fraud.....he a big fraud......just like what i just read.......it never mentioned nothing about Jay-Z selling drugs.....

the only time i hear Jay-Z was big time drug dealer....is when he say it......or when Bleek say it.......i mean Sauce Money cant co-sign u and say u sold brick

the Rangas cant co-sign and said u sold a brick......Original Flavor cant co-sign u and say u sold bricks......Kane cant co-sign u and say u sold bricks.....

u see where im going we going back into Jay-Z past....like 15-30 years back......dont forget, if the camel was hustling like that......he out in the streets with Alpo and them cats......the Supreme Team and shit like that........Larry Davis era.....but guess what......all Jay-Z was known for back then was battling niggas...

Even Busta said they went to the same High School.....and Jay-Z was always a fast-rapping ass nigga........like this Kingpin shit just poooof.....came outta no where
 
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Kwan Dai;877490 said:
Fam? Most cats from every Borough in NYwas in the streets during the late 80's and early 90's street peddling. So, Jay didn't do anything special in this regard. It was Foxxy helping him blow-up, Dame, and Clark. Like I said waaaay to much credit.

U know what i never disagreed with you that they did help. Cuz i think Dame is a asshole (LOVED HIM IN THE STATE PROP MOVIE!!!) doesn't mean i don't disregard the role he played in Jay's success. But he had to have some type of success for it to keep goin pass all of these cats. As a matter of fact i can say that without RD NONE of these cats are successful!!!
 
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hnic1978;877444 said:
While u make a good point, cuz he was riggity rapping like Das EFX, doesn't mean he wasn't in the streets. I agree he used his hustling stories to get on but let me ask you another question. Was it what he was talkin bout or was it how talented he was with his music?? Hustling and mafioso shit was getting talked about WAAAY before RD but he was able to take and go further why was that??

Image is everything thrist is nothing........I just the riggity-riggeity....for the youngins....who claim Lil Wayne just got super good overnight...

And maybe Jay story tellin got him to where he is......or maybe Dame push got him over the hump......but it took Jay-Z years and years to hit the top

look at what Nas did........Jay-Z didnt have a chance when niggas like Nas and DMX was doing they thing

And i would never talk away from Jay talent......same was Rick Ross......Ross might be the biggest fraud since Lil Wayne......but since i know what type of niggas Wayne was runnin with i can co-sign for him.......he wasnt selling bricks.....but im more then sure he earned his tattoo tears.......im most positive.....all the hotBoys... caught a body......that was they blood oathe to CMR to take a hit......."Play with me if u want Cash Money going broke".....its no secret in New Orleans CMR was the hit squad...

they was laying niggas down....real talk.....that HotBoys shit was just like say.........Supreme Team...
 
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7thwardslim;877529 said:
Image is everything thrist is nothing........I just the riggity-riggeity....for the youngins....who claim Lil Wayne just got super good overnight...

And maybe Jay story tellin got him to where he is......or maybe Dame push got him over the hump......but it took Jay-Z years and years to hit the top

look at what Nas did........Jay-Z didnt have a chance when niggas like Nas and DMX was doing they thing

And i would never talk away from Jay talent......same was Rick Ross......Ross might be the biggest fraud since Lil Wayne......but since i know what type of niggas Wayne was runnin with i can co-sign for him.......he wasnt selling bricks.....but im more then sure he earned his tattoo tears.......im most positive.....all the hotBoys... caught a body......that was they blood oathe to CMR to take a hit......."Play with me if u want Cash Money going broke".....its no secret in New Orleans CMR was the hit squad...

they was laying niggas down....real talk.....that HotBoys shit was just like say.........Supreme Team...

So what do u say to niggas that say Lil Wayne is a fake blood and street and all that shit (i know we off topic but i just have to know)
 
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hnic1978;877510 said:
U know what i never disagreed with you that they did help. Cuz i think Dame is a asshole (LOVED HIM IN THE STATE PROP MOVIE!!!) doesn't mean i don't disregard the role he played in Jay's success. But he had to have some type of success for it to keep goin pass all of these cats. As a matter of fact i can say that without RD NONE of these cats are successful!!!

Agreed but you are diminishing the roles of those who had more, heart, and pull then Jayz to make it all happen. He couldn't get a deal or recognition on his own and this is 10 years prior to RD. If, you read the article it's PLAINLY obvious that there is no RD without DAME, and CLARK. PERIOD!! And there certainly is, no HIT record without JAZO, CLARK and FOXXY!! PERIOD! Let's just forget that the single "in my life time" flopped and got them dropped from a label. If you want to ignore the article all together and we all just talk out the side of our necks then say so, instead of defending what's right in our faces.
 
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7thwardslim;877529 said:
Image is everything thrist is nothing........I just the riggity-riggeity....for the youngins....who claim Lil Wayne just got super good overnight...

And maybe Jay story tellin got him to where he is......or maybe Dame push got him over the hump......but it took Jay-Z years and years to hit the top

look at what Nas did........Jay-Z didnt have a chance when niggas like Nas and DMX was doing they thing

And i would never talk away from Jay talent......same was Rick Ross......Ross might be the biggest fraud since Lil Wayne......but since i know what type of niggas Wayne was runnin with i can co-sign for him.......he wasnt selling bricks.....but im more then sure he earned his tattoo tears.......im most positive.....all the hotBoys... caught a body......that was they blood oathe to CMR to take a hit......."Play with me if u want Cash Money going broke".....its no secret in New Orleans CMR was the hit squad...

they was laying niggas down....real talk.....that HotBoys shit was just like say.........Supreme Team...

Well since i know ALL of this is entertainment i know none of these cats wasn't doing major weight shit, or they would be dead or indicted
 
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I dont want posters to take it to serious i know Jam will ban niggas for talking down on Jay-Z legacy........i was kind of bored.....

So for those u who want to believe Jay-Z was big Kingpin......cool.....i disagree and several of us feel the same.....i just have a opinion and the facts shows

that Jay-z didnt have time to hustle......

Like a fellow poster said.......Jay-Z flow was so fucking and Fu-Shaqish....that no way he could compete the Elite of New York.....so he copied they style.....



SideNote: Swagger-Jacker was needed......because if u guys realized how much swag and style Jay-Z stole from other people.....it would amaze u......

nothing about Jay-Z is original to me........from stealing Big flow to stealing Young Chris flow.....to stealing Drake flow........he never had nothing of his own...

His name even come Jaz-O.....lol


Just like that......im gone
 
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hnic1978;877551 said:
So what do u say to niggas that say Lil Wayne is a fake blood and street and all that shit (i know we off topic but i just have to know)

I say wayne is clearly a member of the blood gang........they can call him fake that has nothing do with me.......wayne dont have to mention the blood ever again....

that nigga is well known blood affliated.........now for the fake gangsta.......all i can say is this......man that lil dude from New Orleans......and we dont breed to many buster ass niggas........believe me.....u not gonna find a bunch fake ass niggas from New Orleans......tha murder cap....for 20+ years...... if nigga stepped foot his door he real........u feel me thats just how i look at it......when niggas playing with guns at 11-12 dog u real...u in a sito....where u know.....man real shit going down....

now did he earn his stripes......i think he earned his striped in the late 90's.....way before they blew up.......the nigga was runnin with wolves son......

real shit........while most 12 yrs old playing sega and nintendo......this nigga was surround by the mob......that real shit.....
 
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Kwan Dai;877556 said:
Agreed but you are diminishing the roles of those who had more, heart, and pull then Jayz to make it all happen. He couldn't get a deal or recognition on his own and this is 10 years prior to RD. If, you read the article it's PLAINLY obvious that there is no RD without DAME, and CLARK. PERIOD!! And there certainly is, no HIT record without JAZO, CLARK and FOXXY!! PERIOD! Let's just forget that the single "in my life time" flopped and got them dropped from a label. If you want to ignore the article all together and we all just talk out the side of our necks then say so, instead of defending what's right in our faces.

Oh no thats why i said without RD nobody's successful. But I'm not questioning Dame's drive for his success its his attitude. You can't disrepect the game and think it won't get you back. Its like Pac for example, nobody will deny that Pac is one of the GOAT, BUT his problem was his attitude and his big mouth (he admitted to this) he bit off more than he could chew thinking he could run with those Cali Gangstas and he paid with it with his life.
 
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7thwardslim;877581 said:
I say wayne is clearly a member of the blood gang........they can call him fake that has nothing do with me.......wayne dont have to mention the blood ever again....

that nigga is well known blood affliated.........now for the fake gangsta.......all i can say is this......man that lil dude from New Orleans......and we dont breed to many buster ass niggas........believe me.....u not gonna find a bunch fake ass niggas from New Orleans......tha murder cap....for 20+ years...... if nigga stepped foot his door he real........u feel me thats just how i look at it......when niggas playing with guns at 11-12 dog u real...u in a sito....where u know.....man real shit going down....

now did he earn his stripes......i think he earned his striped in the late 90's.....way before they blew up.......the nigga was runnin with wolves son......

real shit........while most 12 yrs old playing sega and nintendo......this nigga was surround by the mob......that real shit.....

U need to get in some those Lil Wayne threads when they try to say the nigga is fake. I don't think N.O. would let a fake nigga rep them fully without nobody saying shit. Good insight homie!!!
 
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hnic1978;877559 said:
Well since i know ALL of this is entertainment i know none of these cats wasn't doing major weight shit, or they would be dead or indicted

My point exactly.......its no way possible to kingpin in the modern day and age and go under radar a la Frank Lucas.......

That why Jay-Z built off that nigga Frank Lucas.......because they background just pooooof.....came outta no where...

this nigga Frank say he was going over seas......and shit......they made a movie.....but even Nicky Barnes...said that nigga wasnt gettin it like that...

Thats one thing i noticed.....it dont matter where u at......if u was heavy in the streets.....nigga will co-sign u.....

example the Real Rick Ross........ thats not question about that man background....even if he is a snitch.....its no question....that nigga was a kingpin

Big Meech......no question.........Gangsta (Baby Brother) doing 400 yrs in the feds......its just certain niggas and certain clicks......that name rang thru a city and brang fear.................thats how u know who gettin money.....niggas is so feared on these streets......nigga mention they name outta fear......
 
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7thwardslim;877581 said:
I say wayne is clearly a member of the blood gang........they can call him fake that has nothing do with me.......wayne dont have to mention the blood ever again....
that nigga is well known blood affliated.........now for the fake gangsta.......all i can say is this......man that lil dude from New Orleans......and we dont breed to many buster ass niggas........believe me.....u not gonna find a bunch fake ass niggas from New Orleans......tha murder cap....for 20+ years...... if nigga stepped foot his door he real........u feel me thats just how i look at it......when niggas playing with guns at 11-12 dog u real...u in a sito....where u know.....man real shit going down....

now did he earn his stripes......i think he earned his striped in the late 90's.....way before they blew up.......the nigga was runnin with wolves son......
real shit........while most 12 yrs old playing sega and nintendo......this nigga was surround by the mob......that real shit.....

When he was with the hot boyz he wasnt hollerin that blood shit and I didnt see not one red rag. He didnt start bangin till he was 25.
 
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