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[Jeezyfan4ever]

Freeman has the better upside then Romo.

 

[coop9889]

Yor overdid it with the Ryan comparison. They had a complete overhaul which led to them improving. Roddy White finally entered his prime, brought in Tony G and Turner, and upgraded the defense in that offseason

I was just comparing the effects of the QBs on the franchise.

What you are saying is true, there were a lot of factors in the betterment of the team. However Ryan was the focal point and the most important piece.

Roddy had been there for three years before Matt. His best year statistically was 2007. Each year since Ryan arrived, he has posted a better year than that year.

Tony G while great, was past his prime, and didn't get there till Ryans 2nd season.

Turner was relatively average until joining the Falcons. He had never broke 505 rushing yards or 3 tds in a season. First year with Matt Ryan? 1699 yards and 17 TDs.

Their defense was 29th in the NFL the year before Ryan arrived, so they really had nowhere to go but up lol. And they only went to 24th, then 21st the next year. Their defense has never been noteworthy tbh.

Ryan definitely was the main reason the Falcons turned around.

It's a quarterback league, without that, it's rare that a team prospers.

 

[coop9889]

the brother knows his football. Dope post but lets not forget that Ryan wuz the 3rd overall pick, wuz deemed to make an immediate impact in the league from the start and most importantly had Roddy white whilst Freeman wuz a project, he divided opinions. Some predicted he would be a bust like Jamarcus Russell, Bucs wuz poor on Offense and defense. He won 10 games wit an undrafted RB, a 4th round WR and his No. 2 WR spent time on IR. Lets not forget how Kellen Winslow wuz plagued by injuries last year. From our Safety T-Jax being Suspended, aqib being suspended a game and later gettin injured. 2 of our most promising rookies and startin DTs spent most of the time on the sidelines. All that, and Freeman led us to winnin 10 games. Thats huge.

Word, preciate it.

Yeah winning 10 was very impressive...

...until I looked at who they beat and the margins of wins.

Then it was only mildly impressive lol.

I'm telling you man, this year will be the year to see what he's made of for real.

Falcons twice, Colts, Saints twice, Bears, Packers, Texans, Cowboys. Pretty decent competition.

 

[KeepOnPushing]

Turner was relatively average until joining the Falcons. He had never broke 505 rushing yards or 3 tds in a season. First year with Matt Ryan? 1699 yards and 17 TDs.

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You said that as if he was a full time starter and wildly underachieved , dude was behind ladainian Tomlinson, OF COURSE he wasn't gonna have the numbers, cmon son.

 

[coop9889]

You said that as if he was a full time starter and wildly underachieved , dude was behind ladainian Tomlinson, OF COURSE he wasn't gonna have the numbers, cmon son.

I know that, and that wasn't my intent.

It's not like anybody was going crazy over the acquisition of michael turner. Nobody knew he was gonna be great, near-pro bowl material.

He didn't have a bigger impact on the Falcons turnaround than Matt Ryan did is what I'm saying.

 

[KeepOnPushing]

I know that, and that wasn't my intent.

It's not like anybody was going crazy over the acquisition of michael turner. Nobody knew he was gonna be great, near-pro bowl material.

He didn't have a bigger impact on the Falcons turnaround than Matt Ryan did is what I'm saying.

Yes he did....

 

[coop9889]

Yes he did....

I'd love to hear your reasoning on that one.

Ask anybody on the Falcons staff if they had to pick one to cut, who would it be?

Guarantee 100% of the staff says Turner.

 

[Mumo X]

Freeman has the better upside then Romo.

Freeman is a big problem waitin to happen. He aint done nuthn yet. The kid excels in Accuracy and dissectin defense plus he clutch--- all these are problems that young black QBs fail to overcome . kid is comfortable in shot guns, deep throws, excellent passer while on the run,He can scramble like Vick too....he able to avoid sacks cuz he physically imposin. Realtalk he is a NIGHTMARE to D-Linemen & LBs...of the young QBs Bradford,Stafford,Luck,Rodgers are his only threat.....

 

[Mumo X]

Word, preciate it.

Yeah winning 10 was very impressive...

...until I looked at who they beat and the margins of wins.

Then it was only mildly impressive lol.

I'm telling you man, this year will be the year to see what he's made of for real.

Falcons twice, Colts, Saints twice, Bears, Packers, Texans, Cowboys. Pretty decent competition.

yeah, the schedule is brutal this time around but the best part of it all is that we've added more talent, thus makin us a better team than last year. Football is unpredictable but as long as Freeman is under center i stil believe we wil taste the playoffs. Expect us to split wit Saints & Falcons, then beat Colts on MNF, loose to Packers. Bears and Texans are Ws--that im sure. The openin game wit Lions gives me the chills. Suh,Fairley,Stafford,Best,Calvin?? If it wuznt for Rodgers they woulda won that Division

 

[KeepOnPushing]

I'd love to hear your reasoning on that one.

Ask anybody on the Falcons staff if they had to pick one to cut, who would it be?

Guarantee 100% of the staff says Turner.

Turner came in and led the league in rushing his first year and the falcons went 11-5 , Ryan played well for a rookie but 16 TD's and 11 INT's aint mind blowing , he just did really well for a rookie QB

Turner second year there he ends up getting hurt and plays in 11 games and the falcons go 9-7 , Turner finished with 871 yards and 10 TD's through 11 games but was on pace for 1267 rushing yards and 15+ TD's

Turner 3rd year he's healthy again and they go 13-3 , Finishing at 1371 yards and 12 TD's

Matt Ryan has been solid yes , but Turner has had the bigger impact of the two.

 

[greenwood1921]

Turner came in and led the league in rushing his first year and the falcons went 11-5 , Ryan played well for a rookie but 16 TD's and 11 INT's aint mind blowing , he just did really well for a rookie QB

Turner second year there he ends up getting hurt and plays in 11 games and the falcons go 9-7 , Turner finished with 871 yards and 10 TD's through 11 games but was on pace for 1267 rushing yards and 15+ TD's

Turner 3rd year he's healthy again and they go 13-3 , Finishing at 1371 yards and 12 TD's

Matt Ryan has been solid yes , but Turner has had the bigger impact of the two.

Ryan missed 2 games and struggled with injuries in 2009 too. Not just Turner. Turner was more important in '08 (for obvious reasons) but Coop is 100% right that if any Falcon's staff member, player, or fan had to choose between Turner and Ryan -- Turner would be on the waiver wire like a muhfugga.

A lootttt harder to find a good QB in this league than a good running back.

 

[KeepOnPushing]

Ryan missed 2 games and struggled with injuries in 2009 too. Not just Turner. Turner was more important in '08 (for obvious reasons) but Coop is 100% right that if any Falcon's staff member, player, or fan had to choose between Turner and Ryan -- Turner would be on the waiver wire like a muhfugga.

A lootttt harder to find a good QB in this league than a good running back.

im Not saying Ryan isn't good he is , he asked who has had the bigger impact so far in the short stint they been together..

 

[greenwood1921]

im Not saying Ryan isn't good he is , he asked who has had the bigger impact so far in the short stint they been together..

But that's hard to pin point. Take the 49ers, Titans, and Vikings for instance. They have three of the best running backs this game has seen since Barry and Emmitt was kickin' up dust out chea -- yet their lack of a decent QB haunted the fuck out of them all last year and beyond.

Football is the ultimate team sport. This ain't no NBA ish. One or two niggas don't make a squad -- especially one that has pulled in 33 wins in 3 years.

 

[KeepOnPushing]

But that's hard to pin point. Take the 49ers, Titans, and Vikings for instance. They have three of the best running backs this game has seen since Barry and Emmitt was kickin' up dust out chea -- yet their lack of a decent QB haunted the fuck out of them all last year and beyond.

Football is the ultimate team sport. This ain't no NBA ish. One or two niggas don't make a squad -- especially one that has pulled in 33 wins in 3 years.

i agree, u pretty much have to have the right places to be successful anyways , if we had to pick players then of course Ryan cuz he's younger and like u said QB's are harder to find, and Turner is like 29 or some shit ...

but me personally i think he had more of a instant impact over Ryan ... thats the only thing i was addressing.

 

[joeyfkncrakk]

Brady
Manning
Rodgers
Brees

PRivers
Vick
Big Ben

Ryan
Romo
Schuab
Eli

JFreeman
Bradford
Cutler
McNabb

Flacco
Stafford
Cassel
Sanchez

 

[joeyfkncrakk]

Brady

Manning

Rodgers

Brees

PRivers

Vick

Big Ben

Ryan

Romo

Schuab

Eli

JFreeman

Bradford

McNabb

Cutler

Flacco

Stafford

Cassel

Sanchez

 

[Mumo X]

Put any of the QBs in my top 3 tiers as the Bucs QB last year, they DESTROY Freeman's stats.

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You failed to understand my question. Which QBs in your top 3 tiers would have accomplishd an amazing feat like Freeman did this past season @ 22?? Lemme Rephrase the Question-- would 22yr olds (Vick,Big Ben,Rivers,Ryan,Rodgers,Brees) gone on to win 10 games with a 4th round WR & Undrafted RB (Both Rookies), a below average O-Line, a poor defense and half of the starters wuz either Injured or Suspended and a young coach? I giv u Manning, Brady maybe. The rest is a no no...

 

[greenwood1921]

You failed to understand my question. Which QBs in your top 3 tiers would have accomplishd an amazing feat like Freeman did this past season @ 22?? Lemme Rephrase the Question-- would 22yr olds (Vick,Big Ben,Rivers,Ryan,Rodgers,Brees) gone on to win 10 games with a 4th round WR & Undrafted RB (Both Rookies), a below average O-Line, a poor defense and half of the starters wuz either Injured or Suspended and a young coach? I giv u Manning, Brady maybe. The rest is a no no...

Vick made history in the playoffs when he was younger than Freeman. Stop. And yes, the Falcons were even less talented than the 2010 Bucs that year -- and last time I checked the Bucs were watching the playoffs at home last year and the year before that. lol

[insert tired Packers playoff game tirade here.]

lol

 

[Mumo X]

Vick made history in the playoffs when he was younger than Freeman. Stop. And yes, the Falcons were even less talented than the 2010 Bucs that year -- and last time I checked the Bucs were watching the playoffs at home last year and the year before that. lol

[insert tired Packers playoff game tirade here.]

lol

I cant wait to play them Falcons. Abraham and them wil hav a problem containing Freeman. Aight, my bad--Vick wuz explosive from the start and wuz younger than Freeman. Anybody else?? Thats my point...Freeman had the 9th best TD-INT Ratio in Nfl history, 7 fourth qtr comeback in 26 career games. Freeman @ 22/23 is a better QB than Vick wuz at that age.

 

[t_m_a_c_f_a_n73088]

Brady
Manning
Rodgers
Brees

PRivers
Vick
Big Ben

Ryan
Romo
Schuab
Eli

JFreeman
Bradford
McNabb
Cutler

Flacco
Stafford
Cassel
Sanchez

Didn't you say Rivers was the best qb in the league>???