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[coop9889]

i respect your post cuz u hav raised great points. As a fan of the game, its very easy to spot a special player when he comes around. For example, Amare has the numbers, regular season & playoff wins than BG but im 100% sure that BG is the better talent and wil eventually surpass Amare when its all said and done. The Bucs wuz in dissaray. There wuz no hope in Tampa til Freeman wuz drafted. The kid dint have weapons on offense, his O-Line wuz below average, the whole D Wuz shambolic except for Ruud,aqib. Half of our starters on D wuz injured while others suspended. But Freeman stil won us 10 games. Would a 22 yr old Romo accomplishd that? I highly doubt it. At WORSE, I expect Freeman to turn out like big ben but if he avoids injury and lapse in focus its a wrap. Picture a 6'6 Vick(eagles not falcons) or better yet a 6'6 Aaron Rodgers with some Big Ben in him. Thats SCARY. Some like Bradford,Freeman,Luck hav the "IT" Factor while the Flacos,Ryans,Romos,Elis,Sanchez dont. Put Freeman in Ravens,Falcons,Cowboys,Vikings and they win SB

Ay man, I agree with what you're saying bout his potential. I don't doubt Josh Freeman's potential.

I do believe he has the skills to be top 5 once he gets established/ a little more firepower on the Bucs.

I'm just saying right now, he ain't #9

 

[R.D.]

And I honestly think Top 10s are stupid.

I think a tier-ranking system is MUCH more accurate and easier to agree on.

QB Tier Rankings:

Tier 1:
Manning, Brady

Tier 2:
Rodgers, Rivers, Brees,Vick , Rothlisberger

Tier 3:
Ryan, Cutler, Romo

Tier 4:
E Manning, Schaub, Freeman,

Tier 5:
Cassel, Sanchez, Flacco

That's what I'd say.

Fixed now the tier things looks good, better idea

 

[coop9889]

I can see that, no real complaints here. You think Cutler is that good though? Idk...

 

[greenwood1921]

This GIF owns this thread. lol

 

[nujerz84]

Imo Cutler aint better than Eli... dude is soft a born loser and put up Eli INT numbers before Eli did...

 

[KeepOnPushing]

Imo Cutler aint better than Eli... dude is soft a born loser and put up Eli INT numbers before Eli did...

He's not , Cutler is garbage...

neither of them are special to me but if i had to pick i'd pick Eli over Cutler any day.

 

[KeepOnPushing]

And I honestly think Top 10s are stupid.

I think a tier-ranking system is MUCH more accurate and easier to agree on.

QB Tier Rankings:

Tier 1:

Brady, Manning

Tier 2:

Rodgers, Rivers, Brees

Tier 3:

Vick, Rothlisberger, Ryan

Tier 4:

Romo, E Manning, Schaub, Freeman, Flacco

Tier 5:

Cassel, Sanchez, Cutler

That's what I'd say.

This List is about right....

 

[Mumo X]

Ay man, I agree with what you're saying bout his potential. I don't doubt Josh Freeman's potential.

I do believe he has the skills to be top 5 once he gets established/ a little more firepower on the Bucs.

I'm just saying right now, he ain't #9

i fully understand why you sayin that Freeman aint #9 right now. But can you atleast gimme 3 names in that top 10 QB list that woulda accomplished such an amazing feat in they sophomore year, better yet at 22/23? I meaning goin to a franchise in dissaray, young Coach, no defense, no offensive weapons. Freeman won 10 games with an undrafted RB & a 4th round WR all Rookies. Freeman had no choice but to learn and grow up quickly. Lets See--Manning,Brady maybe then??? That Kid Bradford is a BEAST in the makin too.

 

[#1 pick]

And I honestly think Top 10s are stupid.

I think a tier-ranking system is MUCH more accurate and easier to agree on.

QB Tier Rankings:

Tier 1:

Brady, Manning

Tier 2:

Rodgers, Rivers, Brees

Tier 3:

Vick, Rothlisberger, Ryan

Tier 4:

Romo, E Manning, Schaub, Freeman, Flacco

Tier 5:

Cassel, Sanchez, Cutler

That's what I'd say.

Mines:

QB Tier Rankings:

Tier 1:

Brady, Manning

Tier 2:

Rodgers, Brees, Vick, Rothlisberger

Tier 3:

Ryan, Rivers, Romo

Tier 4:

E Manning, Schaub, Freeman, Flacco

 

[coop9889]

i fully understand why you sayin that Freeman aint #9 right now. But can you atleast gimme 3 names in that top 10 QB list that woulda accomplished such an amazing feat in they sophomore year, better yet at 22/23? I meaning goin to a franchise in dissaray, young Coach, no defense, no offensive weapons. Freeman won 10 games with an undrafted RB & a 4th round WR all Rookies. Freeman had no choice but to learn and grow up quickly. Lets See--Manning,Brady maybe then??? That Kid Bradford is a BEAST in the makin too.

No I can't, because it's impossible to know lol.

And you are emphasizing how the franchise was in disarray and act like he came into the worst of possible situations... have you looked at their schedule from last year??

They beat the:
Browns by 3
Panthers by 13
Bengals by 3
Rams by 1
Cardinals by 3
Panthers by 15
49ers by 21
Redskins by 1
Seahawks by 23
Saints by 10 last game of the season

All their wins (except the Saints) came against the bottom 3rd of the league.

They had a combined 42-86 record.

Half of the wins were by 3 or less points.

Cmon.

So it's not like they had stiff competition. Barring the Saints? NONE of those teams had a winning record lol.

So basically every good team they faced they lost. Don't overrate the dude.

Plenty of good quarterbacks coulda tore up the wack secondaries/defenses they were facing.

 

[nujerz84]

No I can't, because it's impossible to know lol.

And you are emphasizing how the franchise was in disarray and act like he came into the worst of possible situations... have you looked at their schedule from last year??

They beat the:
Browns by 3
Panthers by 13
Bengals by 3
Rams by 1
Cardinals by 3
Panthers by 15
49ers by 21
Redskins by 1
Seahawks by 23
Saints by 10 last game of the season

All their wins (except the Saints) came against the bottom 3rd of the league.

Combined 42-86 record.

Cmon.

So it's not like they had stiff competition. Barring the Saints? NONE of those teams had a winning record lol. And a lot of them were by 3 and under points. So basically every good team they faced they lost. Don't overrate the dude.

Plenty of good quarterbacks coulda tore up the wack secondaries/defenses they were facing.

Case closed....

 

[KeepOnPushing]

No I can't, because it's impossible to know lol.

And you are emphasizing how the franchise was in disarray and act like he came into the worst of possible situations... have you looked at their schedule from last year??

They beat the:

Browns by 3

Panthers by 13

Bengals by 3

Rams by 1

Cardinals by 3

Panthers by 15

49ers by 21

Redskins by 1

Seahawks by 23

Saints by 10 last game of the season

All their wins (except the Saints) came against the bottom 3rd of the league.

They had a combined 42-86 record.

Half of the wins were by 3 or less points.

Cmon.

So it's not like they had stiff competition. Barring the Saints? NONE of those teams had a winning record lol.

So basically every good team they faced they lost. Don't overrate the dude.

Plenty of good quarterbacks coulda tore up the wack secondaries/defenses they were facing.

Wins are Wins but goodness i didnt know that damn near all their W's came against that, lot of shitness on that list.

 

[R.D.]

I can see that, no real complaints here. You think Cutler is that good though? Idk...

yeah, people got this perception that Cutler is a bum but its wrong. His decision making is the only thing that keeps him from the leading the pack of 2nd tier QBs

 

[R.D.]

Wins are Wins but goodness i didnt know that damn near all their W's came against that, lot of shitness on that list.

lol at Bucs being King of the shitty teams

 

[Mumo X]

No I can't, because it's impossible to know lol.

And you are emphasizing how the franchise was in disarray and act like he came into the worst of possible situations... have you looked at their schedule from last year??

They beat the:
Browns by 3
Panthers by 13
Bengals by 3
Rams by 1
Cardinals by 3
Panthers by 15
49ers by 21
Redskins by 1
Seahawks by 23
Saints by 10 last game of the season

All their wins (except the Saints) came against the bottom 3rd of the league.

They had a combined 42-86 record.

Half of the wins were by 3 or less points.

Cmon.

So it's not like they had stiff competition. Barring the Saints? NONE of those teams had a winning record lol.

So basically every good team they faced they lost. Don't overrate the dude.

Plenty of good quarterbacks coulda tore up the wack secondaries/defenses they were facing.

its true they had one of the easiest schedules last season but before that 95% of the media,fans,analysts had them lucky to win 8 games. Ok, forget them wins. Now tell me, if Freeman wuz drafted by the Jets,Ravens or even swap him with falcons Ryan then we talkin SB. Realtalk Freeman came into one of the worst situations and totally transformd the franchise. Now, list for me other QBs in NFL History that hav had the same impact as Freeman in they sophomore season and at 22 years old. Thats EXCLUSIVE company-- thats the CLASS Freeman wil be groupd once he done playin. ***Im waitin***

 

[coop9889]

yeah, people got this perception that Cutler is a bum but its wrong. His decision making is the only thing that keeps him from the leading the pack of 2nd tier QBs

Thats a pretty big part of a QBs arsenal though, don't you think?

You could have the greatest arm in the world, but if you make bad decisions.... it don't matter. Pick central.

And not even just INTs, decision making regarding throwing the ball away vs. holding onto it trying to make a play. His oline isnt the sole reason why he got sacked so damn much.

You right, his decision making is average to below average...

 

[coop9889]

its true they had one of the easiest schedules last season but before that 95% of the media,fans,analysts had them lucky to win 8 games. Ok, forget them wins. Now tell me, if Freeman wuz drafted by the Jets,Ravens or even swap him with falcons Ryan then we talkin SB. Realtalk Freeman came into one of the worst situations and totally transformd the franchise. Now, list for me other QBs in NFL History that hav had the same impact as Freeman in they sophomore season and at 22 years old. Thats EXCLUSIVE company-- thats the CLASS Freeman wil be groupd once he done playin. ***Im waitin***

Transformed the franchise? Idk man, they won the SB in 2002, less than 10 years ago. They were struggling, I won't deny that, but you really are overvaluing his impact.

Put any of the QBs in my top 3 tiers as the Bucs QB last year, they DESTROY Freeman's stats.

Are you kidding me? Manning woulda had 5000 yards against those teams.

And you don't want to compare him to Ryan.

You wanna talk about transforming a franchise? Ryan did it. After Vick going to prison, the Falcons were completely done. Went 4-12. Had no future in sight really. A deflated franchise.

Then Ryan was drafted and led the team to an 11-5 playoff season. ROOKIE year, unlike Freeman. Next year? 9-7. Last year? 13-3 Best record in NFC. While posting great numbers.

Before Ryan was drafted, the Falcons NEVER HAD BACK TO BACK WINNING SEASONS in the history of the franchise.
When Ryan was drafted? 3 straight.

And now they are a prohibitive favorite in the NFC and only getting better.
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Talk about transforming a franchise.
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So Ryan has been good consistently since entering the league. Wait until the Bucs play this season against good teams until we judge Josh.

 

[R.D.]

Thats a pretty big part of a QBs arsenal though, don't you think?

You could have the greatest arm in the world, but if you make bad decisions.... it don't matter. Pick central.

And not even just INTs, decision making regarding throwing the ball away vs. holding onto it trying to make a play. His oline isnt the sole reason why he got sacked so damn much.

You right, his decision making is average to below average...

of course but i also see the positive. He had a good season last year with the worst recieving corps in the league next to the Rams. There's only about 3 other QB's who couldve took that team as far as he did

 

[R.D.]

Transformed the franchise? Idk man, they won the SB in 2002, less than 10 years ago. They were struggling, I won't deny that, but you really are overvaluing his impact.

Put any of the QBs in my top 3 tiers as the Bucs QB last year, they DESTROY Freeman's stats.

Are you kidding me? Manning woulda had 5000 yards against those teams.

And you don't want to compare him to Ryan.

You wanna talk about transforming a franchise? Ryan did it. After Vick going to prison, the Falcons were completely done. Went 4-12. Had no future in sight really. A deflated franchise.

Then Ryan was drafted and led the team to an 11-5 playoff season. ROOKIE year, unlike Freeman. Next year? 9-7. Last year? 13-3 Best record in NFC. While posting great numbers.

Before Ryan was drafted, the Falcons NEVER HAD BACK TO BACK WINNING SEASONS in the history of the franchise.
When Ryan was drafted? 3 straight.

And now they are a prohibitive favorite in the NFC and only getting better.
.
.
Talk about transforming a franchise.
.
.
So Ryan has been good consistently since entering the league. Wait until the Bucs play this season against good teams until we judge Josh.

Yor overdid it with the Ryan comparison. They had a complete overhaul which led to them improving. Roddy White finally entered his prime, brought in Tony G and Turner, and upgraded the defense in that offseason

 

[Mumo X]

Transformed the franchise? Idk man, they won the SB in 2002, less than 10 years ago. They were struggling, I won't deny that, but you really are overvaluing his impact.

Put any of the QBs in my top 3 tiers as the Bucs QB last year, they DESTROY Freeman's stats.

Are you kidding me? Manning woulda had 5000 yards against those teams.

And you don't want to compare him to Ryan.

You wanna talk about transforming a franchise? Ryan did it. After Vick going to prison, the Falcons were completely done. Went 4-12. Had no future in sight really. A deflated franchise.

Then Ryan was drafted and led the team to an 11-5 playoff season. ROOKIE year, unlike Freeman. Next year? 9-7. Last year? 13-3 Best record in NFC. While posting great numbers.

Before Ryan was drafted, the Falcons NEVER HAD BACK TO BACK WINNING SEASONS in the history of the franchise.
When Ryan was drafted? 3 straight.

And now they are a prohibitive favorite in the NFC and only getting better.
.
.
Talk about transforming a franchise.
.
.
So Ryan has been good consistently since entering the league. Wait until the Bucs play this season against good teams until we judge Josh.

the brother knows his football. Dope post but lets not forget that Ryan wuz the 3rd overall pick, wuz deemed to make an immediate impact in the league from the start and most importantly had Roddy white whilst Freeman wuz a project, he divided opinions. Some predicted he would be a bust like Jamarcus Russell, Bucs wuz poor on Offense and defense. He won 10 games wit an undrafted RB, a 4th round WR and his No. 2 WR spent time on IR. Lets not forget how Kellen Winslow wuz plagued by injuries last year. From our Safety T-Jax being Suspended, aqib being suspended a game and later gettin injured. 2 of our most promising rookies and startin DTs spent most of the time on the sidelines. All that, and Freeman led us to winnin 10 games. Thats huge.