Tupac Talks About The "Illuminati"

[5 Grand]

How can you say what a dead man could have done? If Pac could act then he could be a public speaker, its all the same shit, reading a script...

Tell me you dont think any of those speeches (besides Malcolm) weren't prepared, written, and analyzed by a whole team of people before their figure head got up and delivered the message to the public.

Who's to say that Pac couldnt have been one of the first of his kind, a nigga with tats and criminal record, plugged into the political machine?

Pac had a raw natural ability of connecting with words, so who knows how much more refined he could have gotten with age in his abilities.

@ the bolded. Malcolm already did that. He served 77 months in prison for burglary and larceny and became a civil rights leader.

Again, I'm not saying that Pac wasn't passionate about the cause, but between his beefing with Bad Boy and jumping Orlando Anderson he wasn't responsible enough to be taken seriously as a leader. You guys gotta see that.

Picture Barak Obama jumping somebody in a casino and kicking him when he's down. Here's the footage, can you picture our president, or a 26 year old Martin Luther King jumping somebody in a casino?

You also have to compare their backgrounds to figure out why King and Pac approached things so differently.

For one, King came from a Christian background in a two parent middle class home, so he was already going to be a little but more balanced than Pac and Malcolm X from the start. Kings moral compass came from Christianity. King also had the opportunity to go off to school. Malcolm and Pac both had traumatic and eclectic upbringings that shaped their moral compass, which probably explains the reason they were both trouble makers during their youth. They were both cut from the same cloth in many ways, they shared many of the same ideologies and in it's no coincidence that nether one of them were fans of MLK. Pac wasn't as fortunate as X to get out of his "bad phase". X occupied his 77 months in prison finding Islam and joining the prison debate team, so of course he would've been more effective than Pac coming out of jail, he had 7 years of preparation with minimal distractions.

I think you have an uneducated, surface level opinion of Pac and you should've researched his background the same way you researched (and glossed over) the civil rights activist that you name....I think you would've had an understanding of his background and how that influenced certain choices that he made. It's not even realistic to expect someone with his background to not be a little bit off. Why would you choose to criticize someone without understanding when the information that answers your questions is accessible?

And you say that King would never be jumping someone, but he did sin in many other ways that were contradictory to his public image. You don't have to put these men on a moral pedestal to downplay Pac because when you do your research on them, you'll see that they're all flawed like most humans are. Try to understand someone fully before you completely enshrine them. You're better off just saying that "they were more effective than Pac", you don't have to go the route of moral comparisons.

I think a big part of Pac's stitch was "Me and others that act like me are the result of an underlying issue in society, it's just the symptom of a larger problem that ya'll need to look into" and he called it THUG LIFE, the acronym basically means that this is the negative outcome when society lacks compassion for it's young.

While I don't agree with everything you said, I appreciate the coherent response. So far most of the people that disagreed with me haven't said anything intelligent. Just ad hominem attacks.

Yeah, Pac and King had different backgrounds but the way I see it, Tupac had a ticket out of the ghetto. He was supposed to be in Menace to Society but he beat up the director. He kept getting in trouble with the law and living reckless. He could have done more movies but he wanted to be a thug instead. At 25 Years old you should know better than to jump somebody in a casino. That's something a teenager would do.

I can tell that you took a lot of time typing you're response but at the end of the day, why in the hell would you jump somebody in a casino? Especially if you're out on bail? It doesn't make any sense at all. Really, if he survived that shooting he wouldn't have survived the questioning when people asked him why he was kicking Orlando Anderson when he was down.

They say Wisdom comes with age, but at his age he should have known better regardless of his upbringing. He couldn't be that stupid.

I didn't get a chance to look at the videos you posted but I've heard Pac speak. I saw that movie Resurrection. He certainly has a dynamic personality but I maintain that he wasn't a revolutionary by any means and he didn't do anything to put him in the same ballpark as Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, Minister Farrakhan, Jesse Jackson, AL Sharpton. Regardless of age, he's just not on their level.

Also, not to derail the thread, but I have very little respect for The Black Panther Party. They probably meant well but from my research (Soul on Ice and Huey P Newton's Autobiography) their ideology didn't make much sense. They were quasi-communist and seriously underestimated the power of the system they were trying to overthrow. In particular they had meetings that were open to anybody that wanted to join, which made them easy to infiltrate. Anybody that's trying to put together an organization to overthrow the government has to realize that there are spies and Cointelpro agents trolling the organization. A revolutionary movement has to have a way of determining who's a spy and who's a legitimate member.

Also, the Black Panthers had rules like, "no drug use at the meetings", while the Nation of Islam had rules like, "no drug use period". The Nation of Islam is still around and the Panthers aren't. I like the NOI better.

Maybe that's what I don't like about Tupac, he was all rhetoric. He didn't have a concrete solid, step by step plan of action. And can't believe he jumped Orland Anderson.

Inb4 somebody says, 'yeah but he was only 25'.

 

[Focal Point]

This back and forth is simply about what if potential... We don't know what could have occurred. This tear down of the man isn't fair because he did what he could within the phase of life he was living in but at the same time this pedestal placement based on hope and potential isn't fair either. And that's because niggas are using their feelings to believe it would have happen.

 

[Focal Point]

Going further a great example of what Pac might have become in the right mindset is Harry Belafonte. And there's more to being a leader and world changer than words and charisma.

 

[5 Grand]

This back and forth is simply about what if potential... We don't know what could have occurred. This tear down of the man isn't fair because he did what he could within the phase of life he was living in but at the same time this pedestal placement based on hope and potential isn't fair either. And that's because niggas are using their feelings to believe it would have happen.

Well I don't like to use the word "fair" because everything is fair. But you're saying we don't know what Pac could have become. Maybe he would have been like Martin Luther King.

I'm saying that judging by what he did accomplish, he's not in Martin Luther King's ballpark. I'm not talking about what ifs, I'm talking about what really happened.

Wasted potential.

 

[Focal Point]

This back and forth is simply about what if potential... We don't know what could have occurred. This tear down of the man isn't fair because he did what he could within the phase of life he was living in but at the same time this pedestal placement based on hope and potential isn't fair either. And that's because niggas are using their feelings to believe it would have happen.

Well I don't like to use the word "fair" because everything is fair. But you're saying we don't know what Pac could have become. Maybe he would have been like Martin Luther King.

I'm saying that judging by what he did accomplish, he's not in Martin Luther King's ballpark. I'm not talking about what ifs, I'm talking about what really happened.

Wasted potential.

I get that I just found the middle ground. He shouldn't be on a pedestal based on potential. Niggas don't put Lens Bias in the pantheon of greatness based on potential. On the other side he was a positive albeit misguided person who could bring misrepresented ppl together with his words and passion

 

[5 Grand]

It's a shame that the mods blocked this thread so it doesn't go up to the top when you reply. This is a great discussion.