Trayvon Martin Case.... the plot thickens

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(ob)Scene;4201804 said:
apocalyptica;4201757 said:
Also it seems little straight A's and B's student, when not selling drugs spent all his time skipping school according to his friend.

So time to pop every kid who skips class w/ a slug in the chest, huh?

And even if Trayvon was the one on top pummeling Zimmerman... wouldn't Trayvon be the one standing his ground acting in self-defense? I mean he was followed quite a ways by Zimmerman; that fact is indisputable.

Valiant reach though, bro.

Yeah, nobody is saying anything about Trayvon's right to stand his ground. He was being pursued by a fucking stranger for no reason.
 
apocalyptica;4201871 said:
bgoat;4201850 said:
(ob)Scene;4201804 said:
apocalyptica;4201757 said:
Also it seems little straight A's and B's student, when not selling drugs spent all his time skipping school according to his friend.

So time to pop every kid who skips class w/ a slug in the chest, huh?

And even if Trayvon was the one on top pummeling Zimmerman... wouldn't Trayvon be the one standing his ground acting in self-defense? I mean he was followed quite a ways by Zimmerman; that fact is indisputable.

Valiant reach though, bro.

Yeah, nobody is saying anything about Trayvon's right to stand his ground. He was being pursued by a fucking stranger for no reason.

I think when fatty was screaming help for a prolonged period of time and he didn't stop, he gave up his right to self defense or stand his ground. Zimmerman was already subdued at this point. Trayvon was out for blood because it made him feel good at this point. So, given that, at that time Zimmerman was within his right to stop the assault. What is he supposed sit there while the kid pounds his head into mush? Don't be insane.

Zimmerman gave up his right to stand your ground when he pursued Trayvon. Don't be insane!
 
apocalyptica;4201871 said:
bgoat;4201850 said:
(ob)Scene;4201804 said:
apocalyptica;4201757 said:
Also it seems little straight A's and B's student, when not selling drugs spent all his time skipping school according to his friend.

So time to pop every kid who skips class w/ a slug in the chest, huh?

And even if Trayvon was the one on top pummeling Zimmerman... wouldn't Trayvon be the one standing his ground acting in self-defense? I mean he was followed quite a ways by Zimmerman; that fact is indisputable.

Valiant reach though, bro.

Yeah, nobody is saying anything about Trayvon's right to stand his ground. He was being pursued by a fucking stranger for no reason.

Trayvon was out for blood because it made him feel good at this point.

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apocalyptica;4201871 said:
bgoat;4201850 said:
(ob)Scene;4201804 said:
apocalyptica;4201757 said:
Also it seems little straight A's and B's student, when not selling drugs spent all his time skipping school according to his friend.

So time to pop every kid who skips class w/ a slug in the chest, huh?

And even if Trayvon was the one on top pummeling Zimmerman... wouldn't Trayvon be the one standing his ground acting in self-defense? I mean he was followed quite a ways by Zimmerman; that fact is indisputable.

Valiant reach though, bro.

Yeah, nobody is saying anything about Trayvon's right to stand his ground. He was being pursued by a fucking stranger for no reason.

I think when fatty was screaming help for a prolonged period of time and he didn't stop, he gave up his right to self defense or stand his ground. Zimmerman was already subdued at this point. Trayvon was out for blood because it made him feel good at this point. So, given that, at that time Zimmerman was within his right to stop the assault. What is he supposed sit there while the kid pounds his head into mush? Don't be insane.

I hear you....and although speculation at this point, if true this is touchy.

In trying to be objective, this is truly a lose lose situation. What are you supposed to do if you are being pursued by a stranger bigger than you? Stand your own ground or swallow your pride and punk out...? and if you punked out, you'd have no idea what your outcome in this situation would be (kidnapped, beat, shot, stabbed?) as you gave you control of your fate. What you would tell your kid or brother or nephew to do?

Many people try to de-humanize the situation and use clear and concise logic but it don't flow like that in the real world in the heat of situations. Personally, I'll be damned if I'm going to explain myself to some stranger who is trying to check me on my existence and why I am doing what I am doing at the time, especially if all I'm doing is going about my business. You don't owe anybody that and the guy was not police. Meaning if "some guy" is running up on me like "what are you doing here?" "who are you?", I'm gonna be like "the f*** is your problem...who the f*** are you?" and that situation is bound to escalate. I truly think that is what happened in this case.

If you stand your ground, stand up for yourself. Are you supposed to all of a sudden be the better clear thinking individual once you know you have the advantage? If you've ever been in a 1 on 1 fight with some one who is not one of your homeboys with no crowd around you know that ain't no f****n way you are gonna let the other guy up just because he is losing......especially someone bigger than you. As if there is gonna be some true "oh okay, you won...I'll walk away moment" because you are far more than likely to get sucker punched and be the one on the ground getting pay back. And if Trayvon got up and RAN AWAY, it would have resulted in a "scary voilent nigga going to jail for assault" charge. So if this situation is true, I just don't see anyway out of a situation like this other than knocking a dude immobile. It's not like there was a crowd to break it up.

Again, if all is true, I'm sure if Zimmerman was beating Trayvon down, he would had totally subdued him by any means necessary including pulling that gun until the cops came to play hero (or worse) but since that plan ain't work, he saved his own ass by any means necessary in pulling that gun and firing it.

Bottom line...if all is true...

Guy A had it in for Guy B. Guy A pursues Guy B. Guy B beats Guy A's ass. Guy A gets scared and pulls a weapon and shoots Guy B. Zimmerman thought he'd have the advantage but ran into a "oh shit, shit just got real moment" and had to bail out.
His main issue is that he created the situation out of his own suspicions....but then again FL law says it's okay to do that. I guess there are no stalking by menacing laws in FL............?

Say what you will, but based on what I see, Trayvon couldn't have been all that of a real "bad" dude (meaning a real street g-code type young dude). This guy is getting followed and calls his girl....he didn't call his girl to say "bring the thumper" he said "Imma walk fast.." He admitted his fear about another dude to this girl.....who the f*** does that? He ain't call his homeboy to mob up. He wasn't strapped and didn't even have a knife. I think he ultimately came to a conclusion that he wasn't gonna run, stood his ground, and got killed for it.

It's gonna sound totally fucked up to say this, but it's better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6. Meaning if Trayvon was strapped and shot Zimmerman, it would have compounded a stereotype, but at least he would have still been alive.

 
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I see certain ppl and the media still wanna do anything they can to make that kid look like he deserved it just to get ol' dude the innocent go ahead..... Wearing grills makes you a killer/hip hop thug dude who needs to be shot these days?? That's news to me. Even if he was smoking dope or whatever then lets not act like nobody has ever done that before especially at a young age....
 
apocalyptica;4201871 said:
bgoat;4201850 said:
(ob)Scene;4201804 said:
apocalyptica;4201757 said:
Also it seems little straight A's and B's student, when not selling drugs spent all his time skipping school according to his friend.

So time to pop every kid who skips class w/ a slug in the chest, huh?

And even if Trayvon was the one on top pummeling Zimmerman... wouldn't Trayvon be the one standing his ground acting in self-defense? I mean he was followed quite a ways by Zimmerman; that fact is indisputable.

Valiant reach though, bro.

Yeah, nobody is saying anything about Trayvon's right to stand his ground. He was being pursued by a fucking stranger for no reason.

I think when fatty was screaming help for a prolonged period of time and he didn't stop, he gave up his right to self defense or stand his ground. Zimmerman was already subdued at this point. Trayvon was out for blood because it made him feel good at this point. So, given that, at that time Zimmerman was within his right to stop the assault. What is he supposed sit there while the kid pounds his head into mush? Don't be insane.

we don't know who put their hands on who first... trayvon who was unarmed could have seen or felt that zimmerman had a gun on him... and we don't know what zimmerman said to him or if he flashed his gun to him or anything... my point being trayvon could have been terrified and fighting for his life as well... literally. and the initial police reports failed to mention that zimmerman had a head wound or bloody nose....

we really don't know what happened...all we have is zimmerman's word which is not to be trusted because he obviously wants to avoid jail time... so stop basing these dumb ass assumptions off of a couple of facebook page posts...

and if you are going to question trayvon's character does the fact, and this has been documented, that other neighbors had previously been complaining about zimmerman's aggressive tactics not concern you as well? or does the fact that zimmerman had once been charged with assaulting an officer? or does the fact that zimmerman also has a history of domestic violence and resisting arrest? lol. before that night over the last year zimmerman had also made 46 phone calls to 911...

all we do know for sure is that zimmerman followed and than proceeded to chase a young man for no other reason than that he looked "suspicious" ...that's why people are angry and calling for his arrest. had zimmerman just stopped and waited on the police none of this would have ever happened...
 
You know what normal people do when they see something they deem as suspicious...

They steer clear and dont try to cowboy up.. or call the cops
 
I'm gonna have to slap geraldo. I get the point he is making but that shit is not coming out right and he is basically blaming the victim. I guess he feels the same about scantily clad women who get raped.
 

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