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Mr.LV;8715137 said:
Bernie would lose the general election it would be like John Kerry all over again

I don't believe Hilary Clinton will inspire a lot of the Obama voters to go back to the booth. Also, based on her likability ratings it's highly unlikely that she'll be able to grab the necessary independents or cross-party voters needed to win.
 
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Of the candidates left, Clinton is the safest vote. She knows the political ropes and she lives with one of the best presidents of the past 40 years. The world stage won't be too big for her, she's been doin it forever.

Although I love bernie sanders' idealism, it's just not realistic in today's washington, all the shit he talkin will get voted down or fillabustered and pettifogged to no end. We see what happened with Obama, and he wasn't even specifically fighting for us. Bernie comin in like he just got his first black pussy, them white boys on capitol hill ain't goin for that lol.
 
_Lefty;8715174 said:
Of the candidates left, Clinton is the safest vote. She knows the political ropes and she lives with one of the best presidents of the past 40 years. The world stage won't be too big for her, she's been doin it forever.

Although I love bernie sanders' idealism, it's just not realistic in today's washington, all the shit he talkin will get voted down or fillabustered and pettifogged to no end. We see what happened with Obama, and he wasn't even specifically fighting for us. Bernie comin in like he just got his first black pussy, them white boys on capitol hill ain't goin for that lol.

I'm curious what changes you believe Hilary will bring. Are you saying that not trying is better than trying?
 
EmM HoLLa.;8715164 said:
Hilary ran the white house for 8 years and we were prosperous.. Never mind the rhetoric.. I'm going with Hilary..

yeh.. them bank deregulations were godsend. hahaha

before that niggas couldn't even get a house.. never mind they couldn't afford them anyway..

and them 3 strike laws and mandatory minimums?? mannn don't even get me started! lol
 
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BOSSExcellence;8715187 said:
EmM HoLLa.;8715164 said:
Hilary ran the white house for 8 years and we were prosperous.. Never mind the rhetoric.. I'm going with Hilary..

yeh.. them bank deregulations were godsend. hahaha

before that niggas couldn't even get a house.. never mind they couldn't afford them anyway..

and them 3 strike laws?? manna don't even get me started! lol

3 Strikes was Clinton?.. I thought that was Bush?..

I aint gonna sit up here and act like I know politics.. All I know is that during the time Clinton was in office.. Shit didn't feel as fucked up as it is right now..
 
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Hilary not getting niggas to the voting booth...straight up, she hella ingenuine IMO and she ain't saying shit, safe not getting me out of bed that day

I'll let the chips fall where they may but if I'm going be moved to vote, it won't be for Hilary

As long as Bernie keep taking that shit, I'll consider participating in this fantasy where votes actually mean something

A nigga and a woman back to back....seem unlikely to me
 
(ob)Scene;8715182 said:
_Lefty;8715174 said:
Of the candidates left, Clinton is the safest vote. She knows the political ropes and she lives with one of the best presidents of the past 40 years. The world stage won't be too big for her, she's been doin it forever.

Although I love bernie sanders' idealism, it's just not realistic in today's washington, all the shit he talkin will get voted down or fillabustered and pettifogged to no end. We see what happened with Obama, and he wasn't even specifically fighting for us. Bernie comin in like he just got his first black pussy, them white boys on capitol hill ain't goin for that lol.

I'm curious what changes you believe Hilary will bring. Are you saying that not trying is better than trying?

Nigga what changed is anybody gonna bring? The calvary ain't comin, the president don't have that kind of power. The money holds the power, the money sways the votes of the congressmen, and senators. I don't want to sound like that guy, but I know we bein kept from the main table by design. We gotta go get it on our own, ain't nobody givin us shit. You niggas think ya'll castin votes for change is gon work ya'll lost in the sauce.

They ain't changed a federal gun law yet. They shot up 20 white babies in a school. Ya'll think they give a fuck about us?
 
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Unfortunately, this is true. I can't say I "like" him but I think he has good ideas. And Hillary Clinton isn't exactly likeable. But, Bernie Sanders is waaaayyy to liberal to win the election. This is going to be a "hold your nose" vote for anyone with a brain, and people who don't really like trump, but aren't liberal will be a lot less likely to get behind Bernie Sanders.
 
EmM HoLLa.;8715191 said:
BOSSExcellence;8715187 said:
EmM HoLLa.;8715164 said:
Hilary ran the white house for 8 years and we were prosperous.. Never mind the rhetoric.. I'm going with Hilary..

yeh.. them bank deregulations were godsend. hahaha

before that niggas couldn't even get a house.. never mind they couldn't afford them anyway..

and them 3 strike laws?? manna don't even get me started! lol

3 Strikes was Clinton?.. I thought that was Bush?..

I aint gonna sit up here and act like I know politics.. All I know is that during the time Clinton was in office.. Shit wasn't as fucked up as it is right now..

yeh.. that was him. lol

i aint into politics as i use to be either.. but Clinton benefited from his predecessor's policy's and inaction fucked it up for his successor.. i.e. bin laden and the housing crash..

but u aint hear that from me tho. lol
 
To me this is still Clintons to loose. Sanders talks a good game I'll give him that (I'd vote for him). However all that clout & the machine behind Hillary won't just take this lying down. I just can't see her taking another L after loosing the nomination to Obama in '08. Add that along the fact that most the young Dem's that were voting for her husband back in the 90's (especially blacks) are now in their 40's-50's are still riding for that family. To me the woman issue is irrelevant, it's gonna happen.
 
_Lefty;8715174 said:
Of the candidates left, Clinton is the safest vote. She knows the political ropes and she lives with one of the best presidents of the past 40 years. The world stage won't be too big for her, she's been doin it forever.

Although I love bernie sanders' idealism, it's just not realistic in today's washington, all the shit he talkin will get voted down or fillabustered and pettifogged to no end. We see what happened with Obama, and he wasn't even specifically fighting for us. Bernie comin in like he just got his first black pussy, them white boys on capitol hill ain't goin for that lol.

*dead
 
Bernie Sanders absolutely must not be president this motherfucker wants to turn america into Scandinavia, not only is that impossible it's fucking stupid.

Our economic and international situations are totally different, you can put the entire population of some scandinavian nations into one American state. They also don't have our huge military and international obligations.

America is america not fucking Scandinavia.
 
zzombie;8715221 said:
Bernie Sanders absolutely must not be president this motherfucker wants to turn america into Scandinavia, not only is that impossible it's fucking stupid.

Our economic and international situations are totally different, you can put the entire population of some scandinavian nations into one American state. They also don't have our huge military and international obligations.

America is america not fucking Scandinavia.

Nigga, nobody knows what goes on in Scandinavia.
 
_Lefty;8715225 said:
zzombie;8715221 said:
Bernie Sanders absolutely must not be president this motherfucker wants to turn america into Scandinavia, not only is that impossible it's fucking stupid.

Our economic and international situations are totally different, you can put the entire population of some scandinavian nations into one American state. They also don't have our huge military and international obligations.

America is america not fucking Scandinavia.

Nigga, nobody knows what goes on in Scandinavia.

That's why it's stupid to vote for Bernie who wants to copy their system. America can never be like Scandinavia.
 
EmM HoLLa.;8715191 said:
BOSSExcellence;8715187 said:
EmM HoLLa.;8715164 said:
Hilary ran the white house for 8 years and we were prosperous.. Never mind the rhetoric.. I'm going with Hilary..

yeh.. them bank deregulations were godsend. hahaha

before that niggas couldn't even get a house.. never mind they couldn't afford them anyway..

and them 3 strike laws?? manna don't even get me started! lol

3 Strikes was Clinton?.. I thought that was Bush?..

I aint gonna sit up here and act like I know politics.. All I know is that during the time Clinton was in office.. Shit didn't feel as fucked up as it is right now..

And you know this because you were....10 when he was elected right?

Hillary didnt run shit, Bill clinton was a politicians politician. Saying Hillary ran it just bc she was there is childish and a kin to me saying I visited Harvard therefore I 'went to Harvard'
 
_Lefty;8715194 said:
(ob)Scene;8715182 said:
_Lefty;8715174 said:
Of the candidates left, Clinton is the safest vote. She knows the political ropes and she lives with one of the best presidents of the past 40 years. The world stage won't be too big for her, she's been doin it forever.

Although I love bernie sanders' idealism, it's just not realistic in today's washington, all the shit he talkin will get voted down or fillabustered and pettifogged to no end. We see what happened with Obama, and he wasn't even specifically fighting for us. Bernie comin in like he just got his first black pussy, them white boys on capitol hill ain't goin for that lol.

I'm curious what changes you believe Hilary will bring. Are you saying that not trying is better than trying?

Nigga what changed is anybody gonna bring? The calvary ain't comin, the president don't have that kind of power. The money holds the power, the money sways the votes of the congressmen, and senators. I don't want to sound like that guy, but I know we bein kept from the main table by design. We gotta go get it on our own, ain't nobody givin us shit. You niggas think ya'll castin votes for change is gon work ya'll lost in the sauce.

They ain't changed a federal gun law yet. They shot up 20 white babies in a school. Ya'll think they give a fuck about us?

I was just curious as to the logic behind saying you prefer the person that is looking to maintain the status quo as opposed to the person that wishes to change it while having a track record spanning multiple decades that proves his desire to do so.

For example I'll use the point that you yourself raised.

Gun lobbyists/NRA are probably the largest reason why no federal gun laws have been passed as of yet. The power of those lobbyists was achieved thanks to the corrupting influence of money in politics, which happens to be an issue that Sanders has addressed and is steadfast about changing. Hillary Clinton has also professed a willingness to bring about a change to campaign finance and getting the Citizen's United ruling overturned.

- Sanders on one hand has proven the sincerity of his position by running a grass-roots campaign relying primarily on small individual donations and refusing to take money from Super PACS.

- Clinton's campaign on the other hand is being financed by Super PACS & Wall Street lobbyists whom undoubtedly are expecting a return on their investment.

Which of the two do you believe is being sincere about campaign finance reform?

Stop falling for the politricks. I'd rather be disappointed by someone falling short of their established goals as opposed to be disappointed by someone's lack of trying.
 
I just wanna know when i said this a month ago, just out of my own independent thought...

S2J;8663409 said:
(Nope);8661845 said:
Fuck the bullshit, we need Bernie!

Yall mfers know nothing abot politics

Trump would WASH Bernie in an election

S2J;8663546 said:
(ob)Scene;8663500 said:
S2J;8663409 said:
(Nope);8661845 said:
Fuck the bullshit, we need Bernie!

Yall mfers know nothing abot politics

Trump would WASH Bernie in an election

Fortunately there's these things called polls that disagree with you.

Please. In THIS climate, you need a political rock star to defeat Trump. Hilary is one, Sanders is not

There's a sizeable portion of the voting base that literally does not know who Bernie is

Before you preach to the choir about what that says about them, it doesn't matter. Trump being even shows we have reached the abyss and this is largely a glorified popularity contest

...where are those people that vehemently disagreed? They seem to be quiet now that they see the same idea in print
 
if sanders wins im convinced hes gonna get murked.

if trump gets it, man oh man shit is gonna go down

but yea hilary prolly gonna take this and the wheel will keep on spinnin´

 

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