The_Jackal
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This election FUCKING SUCKS
JokerzWyld
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I like Bernie's policies best on the Democratic side. The ACA should have been our universal health care law, but it was like the diet coke of universal care.
Bernie is a realist though. He even said in the democratic townhall meeting that his vision won't come to fruition without a political revolution in this country. Congress, both houses and both parties, are bought and paid for by donors, they aren't passing anything on Sanders' agenda.
Bernie is a realist though. He even said in the democratic townhall meeting that his vision won't come to fruition without a political revolution in this country. Congress, both houses and both parties, are bought and paid for by donors, they aren't passing anything on Sanders' agenda.
Idiopathic Joker
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I absolutely have not been following at all since November. Shit is getting redundant. I honestly don't give a shit who wins cause nothing is going to change at all.
white sympathizer
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This election is lame, trumps going to win because he says what white people wish they could say with impunity.
UnderMiSensi
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I'm just gonna leave this right here
http://usuncut.com/politics/170-top-economists-back-bernie-sanders-plan-to-rein-in-wall-street/
http://usuncut.com/politics/170-top-economists-back-bernie-sanders-plan-to-rein-in-wall-street/
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Ahem...
The first questioner from the audience asked Sanders to explain why he embraces the “socialist” label and requested that Sanders define it “so that it doesn’t concern the rest of us citizens.”
Sanders, explaining that much of what he proposes is happening in Scandinavia and Germany (a concept that itself alarms Americans who don’t want to be like socialized Europe), answered vaguely: “Creating a government that works for all of us, not just a handful of people on the top — that’s my definition of democratic socialism.”
But that’s not how Republicans will define socialism — and they’ll have the dictionary on their side. They’ll portray Sanders as one who wants the government to own and control major industries and the means of production and distribution of goods. They’ll say he wants to take away private property. That wouldn’t be fair, but it would be easy. Socialists don’t win national elections in the United States .
Sanders on Monday night also admitted he would seek massive tax increases — “one of the biggest tax hikes in history,” as moderator Chris Cuomo put it — to expand Medicare to all. Sanders, this time making a comparison with Britain and France, allowed that “hypothetically, you’re going to pay $5,000 more in taxes,” and declared, “W e will raise taxes, yes we will.” He said this would be offset by lower health-insurance premiums and protested that “it’s demagogic to say, oh, you’re paying more in taxes.”
Well, yes — and Trump is a demagogue.
Sanders also made clear he would be happy to identify Democrats as the party of big government and of wealth redistribution. When Cuomo said Sanders seemed to be saying he would grow government “bigger than ever,” Sanders didn’t quarrel, saying, “People want to criticize me, okay,” and “Fine, if that’s the criticism, I accept it.”
Sanders accepts it, but are Democrats ready to accept ownership of socialism, massive tax increases and a dramatic expansion of government? If so, they will lose.
Michael Bloomberg, the billionaire and former New York mayor who floated a trial balloon over the weekend about an independent run, knows this. As t he New York Times reported: “If Republicans were to nominate Mr. Trump or Senator Ted Cruz, a hard-line conservative, and Democrats chose Mr. Sanders, Mr. Bloomberg . . . has told allies he would be likely to run.”
President Obama seems to know this, too — which would explain why he tiptoed beyond his official neutrality to praise Clinton in an interview with Politico’s Glenn Thrush. “I think that what Hillary presents is a recognition that translating values into governance and delivering the goods is ultimately the job of politics,” he said. He portrayed Sanders as “the bright, shiny object that people haven’t seen before.”
It doesn’t speak well of Clinton that, next to her, a 74-year-old guy who has been in politics for four decades is a bright and shiny object. The #feelthebern phenomenon has at least as much to do with Clinton as with Sanders: Democrats are eager for an alternative to her inauthentic politics and cautious policies.
I share their frustration with Clinton. But that doesn’t make Sanders a rational choice.
Sanders, explaining that much of what he proposes is happening in Scandinavia and Germany (a concept that itself alarms Americans who don’t want to be like socialized Europe), answered vaguely: “Creating a government that works for all of us, not just a handful of people on the top — that’s my definition of democratic socialism.”
But that’s not how Republicans will define socialism — and they’ll have the dictionary on their side. They’ll portray Sanders as one who wants the government to own and control major industries and the means of production and distribution of goods. They’ll say he wants to take away private property. That wouldn’t be fair, but it would be easy. Socialists don’t win national elections in the United States .
Sanders on Monday night also admitted he would seek massive tax increases — “one of the biggest tax hikes in history,” as moderator Chris Cuomo put it — to expand Medicare to all. Sanders, this time making a comparison with Britain and France, allowed that “hypothetically, you’re going to pay $5,000 more in taxes,” and declared, “W e will raise taxes, yes we will.” He said this would be offset by lower health-insurance premiums and protested that “it’s demagogic to say, oh, you’re paying more in taxes.”
Well, yes — and Trump is a demagogue.
Sanders also made clear he would be happy to identify Democrats as the party of big government and of wealth redistribution. When Cuomo said Sanders seemed to be saying he would grow government “bigger than ever,” Sanders didn’t quarrel, saying, “People want to criticize me, okay,” and “Fine, if that’s the criticism, I accept it.”
Sanders accepts it, but are Democrats ready to accept ownership of socialism, massive tax increases and a dramatic expansion of government? If so, they will lose.
Michael Bloomberg, the billionaire and former New York mayor who floated a trial balloon over the weekend about an independent run, knows this. As t he New York Times reported: “If Republicans were to nominate Mr. Trump or Senator Ted Cruz, a hard-line conservative, and Democrats chose Mr. Sanders, Mr. Bloomberg . . . has told allies he would be likely to run.”
President Obama seems to know this, too — which would explain why he tiptoed beyond his official neutrality to praise Clinton in an interview with Politico’s Glenn Thrush. “I think that what Hillary presents is a recognition that translating values into governance and delivering the goods is ultimately the job of politics,” he said. He portrayed Sanders as “the bright, shiny object that people haven’t seen before.”
It doesn’t speak well of Clinton that, next to her, a 74-year-old guy who has been in politics for four decades is a bright and shiny object. The #feelthebern phenomenon has at least as much to do with Clinton as with Sanders: Democrats are eager for an alternative to her inauthentic politics and cautious policies.
I share their frustration with Clinton. But that doesn’t make Sanders a rational choice.
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Lou Cypher
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This election makes me nervous. I don't even follow politics like that either. All I know is I wouldn't trust trump as the president or this Clinton lady. Articles I've read about Bernie sound good to me explaining whatever idea he presented, bUT I can understand how his plans with taxes and stuff would upset a lot of people. I don't trust trump or Clinton to handle anything with another country too well. Very scary election.
Swiffness!
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I'm tired of all these holier-than-thou Sanders dickriders acting like anyone who doesn't share their religious-like belief in Bernie's "political revolution" is some paid Wall Street shill.
The same gerrymandered voting districts that have produced backwards white supremacist congressmen for 200 years are suddenly gonna be down with free college and single payer health care? Nigga Please.
The same gerrymandered voting districts that have produced backwards white supremacist congressmen for 200 years are suddenly gonna be down with free college and single payer health care? Nigga Please.
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Swiffness!
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jono;8714955 said:
these stans been getting out of pocket as of late tho. The reactions to Paul Krugman calling bullshit on his health care plan were absurd, he said himself it was like hatemail from Rush Limbaugh fans. Just wait until Bernie probably loses the South Carolina primary, you'll see a lot of these "anti-racist" white progressive activists let the mask slip & get in they cac bag about how black people weren't intelligent enough to recognize a old jewish senator as their savior.
MarcusGarvey
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Bernie Sanders - all that enthusiasm and theory will smack into the reality of the US Govt - a slow moving, decentralized, $500b budget defense dept war machine, a country that's running half a trillion in annual deficits, in a low inflation, low wage growth environment.
Good luck getting a budget through Congress Bernie.
There are no good choices. I haven't been moved by anyone's campaign
Good luck getting a budget through Congress Bernie.
There are no good choices. I haven't been moved by anyone's campaign
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People really think Bernie is going to invigorate people to vote Republicans out of Congress. LMAO. Does he know that they actually earn those seats in overwhelmingly republican counties that are gerrymandered to remain that way? I want to know how this dude will be able to do things that Obama, and even Clinton couldn't get done. At least when Obama was running, people saw the horror that Bush bought about, but the political gamesmanship of the right has obfuscated all of that knowledge, and Obama's presidency has proven that the enemy is truly formidable. Running on an even more dreamy platform doesn't seam reasonable, and it discredits the things Obama actually did get done rather then building on top of them. I guess with Trump running a reality show campaign, you need as much crazy on the other side. This entire thing is ridiculous.
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Swiffness!;8714974 said:
I mean... conservatives have been saying that same thing about us since we earned our right vote. People care entirely too much about his "supporters," as opposed to the man himself and his policies. Whenever I choose to vote I do so based upon what I believe to be good for myself, my family & the country in which I live. Could give a fuck about the reactions of other folks and their opinion of what is best for me.
It's starting to remind me of the Kobe haters that were steady ragging on him throughout his career because they deemed his fans "annoying."
Now in regards to this article... people have already been saying that stuff about Sanders since he started picking up steam. This just comes off as yet another attempt, by the establishment media, to reshape the narrative so that the general public will start feeling apprehensive about his electability and vote for Hilary against their own preferences. However, when you look at the polls we see that Bernie significantly wins against all of the republican candidates. While the polling for Hilary against Republican candidates are much closer races.
Yeah I've been one of the people saying I think I would rather have Bernie than Hillary, but I'm worried that he could win the nomination but could not win the White House. And this article makes a good point, the Republican candidates, Faux News and that whole machine have put almost 0 effort into attacking Bernie so far. If he became the nominee, it's all eyes on him and I think they could scare too many people out of electing him.
He's a 74 year old democratic socialist. Sanders supporters hate when you say he can't win the national election, but it's a risk. And the risk you're taking is making DONALD FUCKING TRUMP the leader of the free world in which case RIP everybody. Stakes is high b. Even if it's not Trump on the right, all those people are insane and I'm no big Hillary fan but we'd be better off with Hillary than Cruz or any of those clowns.
He's a 74 year old democratic socialist. Sanders supporters hate when you say he can't win the national election, but it's a risk. And the risk you're taking is making DONALD FUCKING TRUMP the leader of the free world in which case RIP everybody. Stakes is high b. Even if it's not Trump on the right, all those people are insane and I'm no big Hillary fan but we'd be better off with Hillary than Cruz or any of those clowns.
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