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Punisher__
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rakim is already more regarded than em.
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Punisher__;730166 said:Eminem is the only rapper that is considered "elite" that doesn't have an irrefutable classic album. This could hurt him in the eyes of those who put more emphasis on catalog than actual skill. Is this wishful thinking? How important is catalog to you guys when determining GOAT contenders?
MMLP is a classic... pretty much irrefutable.
Punisher__;730599 said:it's not really "opinion", though. The general consensus in hip hop circles is that Em has not irrefutable classic album, only a plethura of lp's that range from solid to trash. Just because MMLP is Em's best album, doesn't mean it's a classic. It just stands out because it's his only cohesive effort, in a repertoire full of subpar material.
Not an opinion? Haha... What hip hop circles are you referring to? Wouldn't mind seeing a few articles or links because I can track down quotes from top tier artists who say that Em has some of the dirtiest stuff out there.
If his albums range from solid to trash and his catalog is full of subpar material, why would he be considered one of the GOAT? You would not have made this thread if you didn't think he was worth mentioning in the GOAT discussion and we all know that if you're being considered as one of the greatest of all time, then your material is straight fire.
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Punisher__;730966 said:rakim is already more regarded than em.
once da kkk from da D took ova hiphop n 99 i dont know about that now,...,smh
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NothingButTheTruth
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the_omniscient;730875 said:Putting out a classic doesn't mean much anyway. Rappers such as Slick Rick, Scarface, Rakim, KRS-One, A Tribe Called Quest and Brand Nubian have put out classics but none of them will be as highly regarded as Eminem in the hip hop history books.
White boy post.
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Punisher__
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We have already established that MMLP is a solid effort, and is Eminem's best. But does that make it a clsssic? Maybe to Em's cult following, but to the general hip hop arena, we disagree. Saying that Em has some of the dirtiest stuff out, doesn't equate to his stuff being classic. Being considered one of the greatest of all time, yet having done nothing to warrant such a title would be considered overrated in some circles...whichh is why this thread was made.
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NothingButTheTruth
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Legend24;730977 said:MMLP is a classic... pretty much irrefutable.
Not an opinion? Haha... What hip hop circles are you referring to? Wouldn't mind seeing a few articles or links because I can track down quotes from top tier artists who say that Em has some of the dirtiest stuff out there.
If his albums range from solid to trash and his catalog is full of subpar material, why would he be considered one of the GOAT?
The same reason Steve Nash won 2 mvps in a row. Because he's white.
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Punisher__
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NothingButTheTruth;731052 said:The same reason Steve Nash won 2 mvps in a row. Because he's white.
People clearly have no idea how much White people dictate this type of shit, especially considering that the vast majority of hip hop is purchased by Whites. But to those of us who have a deeper appreciation for the genre [and culture], we know differently.
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Punisher__;731044 said:We have already established that MMLP is a solid effort, and is Eminem's best. But does that make it a clsssic? Maybe to Em's cult following, but to the general hip hop arena, we disagree. Saying that Em has some of the dirtiest stuff out, doesn't equate to his stuff being classic. Being considered one of the greatest of all time, yet having done nothing to warrant such a title would be considered overrated in some circles...whichh is why this thread was made.
Who or what is this "general hip hop arena" that you keep referring to? Just because you say it, doesn't make it so... please at least come with some evidence so we can have a decent discussion. You've just been repeating yourself all thread.
NothingButTheTruth;731052 said:The same reason Steve Nash won 2 mvps in a row. Because he's white.
Off topic but I feel compelled to counter. Nash didn't win back-to-back MVPs solely because he was white. He won the first one because he brought the traditional PG back into the limelight. It once again became "cool" to pass the ball. That's my opinion, at least. The second MVP should have gone to Kobe, I believe that was the year he averaged 35ppg but the Lakers only won 45 games or something like that (huge improvement from the previous year though). But they gave it to Nash again because he was the only other person they could give it to. Don't quote me on the 45 games part, didn't bother to look it up.
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Punisher__
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the general hp hop arena, I.e, those that are not implanted in pop culture and those that do not use publications and\or numbers to complement our arguments. You can list all the artists that have said Eminem has good material, which is something that has never been denied in this thread. And that's neither here nor there, anyway, because we're not talking about whether his material is good or grimey or dirty. We're talking about is it CLASSIC, which is completely different altogether.
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Punisher__;731145 said:the general hp hop arena, I.e, those that are not implanted in pop culture and those that do not use publications and\or numbers to complement our arguments. You can list all the artists that have said Eminem has good material, which is something that has never been denied in this thread. And that's neither here nor there, anyway, because we're not talking about whether his material is good or grimey or dirty. We're talking about is it CLASSIC, which is completely different altogether.
The hip hop circles have changed their mind. They just told me that MMLP is a classic.
So, now that we know it is a classic, how will this affect Eminem's legacy? Will he crack the top 10? Dare I say top 5 greatest artists of all time?
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NothingButTheTruth
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Legend24;731114 said:Off topic but I feel compelled to counter. Nash didn't win back-to-back MVPs solely because he was white. He won the first one because he brought the traditional PG back into the limelight. It once again became "cool" to pass the ball. That's my opinion, at least. The second MVP should have gone to Kobe, I believe that was the year he averaged 35ppg but the Lakers only won 45 games or something like that (huge improvement from the previous year though). But they gave it to Nash again because he was the only other person they could give it to. Don't quote me on the 45 games part, didn't bother to look it up.
Yeah I know, that's where the "because he's white" thing comes in at.
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Mvpbrodie93
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Punished can you give me some albums "hip hop heads" thought were classics but you didn't or you just agree with the "heads" all the time?
See look
life after death
I love big to death but LAD had WAY too many songs. If they woul have cut it to 12-14 THEM you'd have. REAL classic album.
There was a lot of filler.
I do love these tracks
sky the limit(all time big song)
you're nobody till somebody kill you
notorious thugs(even though I only listen for big's part)
kick in te door
my downfall
I love the dough
going backto Cali
hypnotize
mo Money
other then that, ehh, I give it 4/5 mics. See you don't hav to always agree with "heads"
See look
life after death
I love big to death but LAD had WAY too many songs. If they woul have cut it to 12-14 THEM you'd have. REAL classic album.
There was a lot of filler.
I do love these tracks
sky the limit(all time big song)
you're nobody till somebody kill you
notorious thugs(even though I only listen for big's part)
kick in te door
my downfall
I love the dough
going backto Cali
hypnotize
mo Money
other then that, ehh, I give it 4/5 mics. See you don't hav to always agree with "heads"
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Punisher__
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Legend24;731169 said:The hip hop circles have changed their mind. They just told me that MMLP is a classic.
So, now that we know it is a classic, how will this affect Eminem's legacy? Will he crack the top 10? Dare I say top 5 greatest artists of all time?
You haven't said much of anything...are you Dretox? I don't know why but I should have expected the stans to march in this thread in numbers. Yes, MMLP is a classic because rolling stone called it one. LOL. "you're delusional...you're delusional."
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Punisher__
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mvpbrodie, I thought you were done posting in this thread. Look, an irrefuttable classic is just that...an irrefutable classic. If it is truly an irrefutable classic, then it can't be refuted as being anything else other than a classic. Sorry, but Em does not have one of those albums.
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technically (flow, rhyme scheme, lyricism,etc) he is probably the greatest mc, but his catalog isn't even top 10 to me and doesn't have much replay value. I don't feel he has a true classic along the lines of Illmatic, Reasonable Doubt,Ready to Die,etc. Overall he is in that 10-15 range!
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Punisher__
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usmarin3;731316 said:technically (flow, rhyme scheme, lyricism,etc) he is probably the greatest mc, but his catalog isn't even top 10 to me and doesn't have much replay value. I don't feel he has a true classic along the lines of Illmatic, Reasonable Doubt,Ready to Die,etc. Overall he is in that 10-15 range!
What's ironic is that Em's "classics" are not based on industry impact, like the aforementioned. They're based on his cult following exalting him higher than he should be, and wanting him to be able to compete with those who have true classics. Another reason why I say he has NONE.
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Punisher__
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mostvigorousone;731336 said:Objectively Speaking:
Great Talent/Potential With Some Great Material, But Missed The Mark More Often Than He Was On Point
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You really think so?
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I thought all of his albums were dukie sticks..he got rhyme skills but he raps about bullshit..Just like Harold Minor had tremendous ball skills, but sucked when he got in the game. good for only one thing dunking..like eminmem anly good for talking stupid on records.
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